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Irrefutable proof of Afghanni participation, and Ben Laden's involvement, have already been furnished to the governments of our allies. There is NO doubt about this at all! As announced by president Bush earlier, we will be providing aid to the Afghanni people during, and after we have finished with the Taliban and Ben Laden. As soon as we have nuetralized the Afghanni air defense systems and their offensive aircraft, we will begin air dropping food and supplies directly to the Afghan people and, also, to the refugee camps that surround Afghanistan. WE ARE NOT BARBARIANS! We do not make war on innocent people! I hope this answers your questions and concerns. Jim Moore
I think it is perfectly clear that these attacks are aimed at terrorists and those who support them. I am honestly shocked that we (the american govt) are dropping food and humanitarian supplies for the people at the same time as our B-52's are bombing military targets. That show that we not only recognize the plight of the Afghan people but that we are making a priority of helping them as well. Unfortunately it is war and some civilians may be killed despite all efforts to keep that from happening.
I think I can speak for the vast majority of Americans that we would never, ever hurt innocent people as that monster bin Laden has done. We want him and him only and the people who help him. We have nothing against the Afghan people, whom I feel sorry for because they are caught in the middle of all this mess. And the thought of those poor people starving brings tears to my eyes, even as their own government is stealing the food that is already being given them to feed it's own army. We are doing everything we can to avoid attacking any civilian areas and are doing our best to concentrate only on the military and Al Queda bases within Afghanistan. That is our main objective. We will do everything we can to help and preserve Afghan civilians. This is not about Islam at all, but about monsters who kill innocents for an unjust cause, pure and simple. Laurie
I wish I could share the optimism and the blind belief that the United States would never harm innocent people. It's just not the case, however. We are dropping bombs and firing missiles into another country, a country where people live... people that have nothing to do with Ben Laden or the Taliban. It is an act of war and innocents get harmed in war whether we like it or not. I remember in 1986 we bombed the cities of Tripoli and Benghazi in response to Lybia's purported support of terrorism. Did we topple the Lybian government? No. Did we oust or kill Mohamar Khadaffi, the leader of Lybia and sworn enemy of the US? No...he's still there. What we did was destroy a lot of buildings and kill a lot of citiczens, including Khadaffi's baby daughter. I simply can not support the use of such tactics... especially if, in the end, they are not going to accomplish anything. If this military action proves as fruitless as the attack on Lybia (Khadaffi still in power), the Gulf War (Hussein still in power & Kuwait still under dictatorial rule), or even our prior attack on Afghanistan (after the bombing of US Embassys in Africa), then all it is is more senseless waste of time, money, and human life.
Buddha32, would you have us sit back and do NOTHING?? Just say "Okay, Mr. bin Laden, we're a bunch of pussys so come on over and kill all of us you want?" It's people like you who just DON'T understand that this motherf*&ker doesn't care how peaceful some of us want to be, he's gonna try and kill us all. We didn't WANT this! We didn't ASK for this! But by God, we're gonna have to end it. Because if we don't God only knows what that evil bastard will do. Do you have children? Do you care that you may end up burying them if we don't try and get this bastard? People like you scare me...people who are just lining up to be slaughtered. Argh! Aw shit...now I've gone and lost my damn cool. Something I rarely, if ever do. Laurie
We are NOT firing indescriminately into Afghanistan!!!! What makes you think that we would? As for Lybia, We DID fire at goverment buildings and defense installations (Kadaffi's Palace being one fo them)! We did NOT indescrimitely bomb civilian targets there. The Gulf war was NOT about eliminating Hussein and it was NOT about replacing the the government of Kuwait with a democracy. Where do you get your "news" from anyway? TAS? Jim Moore
"it is is more senseless waste of time, money, and human life" BTW, about that one thing, you are right. The loss of human life is ALWAYS senseless. There where 7000 senseless human lives lost just a month ago. Not fighting, not hurting anyone, just going to work. All in the blink of an eye with no warning. Think about those people and those buildings. YOUR people. We will at least try to keep from hurting innocent people. Do you think that bin Laden gives a shit how many innocent people he kills? Of course not...that's his M.O. ...killing innocent people. He and people like him have to be stopped. Laurie
Actually I do have children. And of course I don't want anything to happen to them, that's a moronic question. Let me pose a question to you. How would you like a bomb to suddenly fall from the sky and demolish your home, kill your family because of something done by someone that happens to live in your country? Maybe even someone protected by your government? It's not your fault, you had nothing to do with it, and the bomb that kills you or your kids doesn't even get the person that comitted the inital act, doesn't unseat the governmemnt that supports him... all it does is kill an innocent family. People like you scare me.
Wow... look how easy it is to get people riled up. All I'm doing is expressing an opinion...so sorry it doesn't agree with yours, but it can be dangerous sometimes in this land of the free to express an unpopular opinion. Of course I realize that our targets are primarily military this time and other times... but you can't tell me that no innocents are getting hurt in these attacks. No matter how much technology advances, the bombs don't always hit military targets. And you're also right about the gulf war.. it was not about ousting Hussein or implementing democracy in Kuwait. It was about protecting American oil intrests abroad. We lost a record low number of servicepeople in that war (although it turned out to be more than was reported at the time), but it was still unacceptable in my opinion that a hundred or so kids came home in bags so that the prices at the gas pumps wouldn't rise. This too shall pass, I suppose. I seriously doubt that it will do any good, however, that's all I am saying. I guess we just have to wait and see... and you people need to chill out...maybe try decaf.
I take it then that if your children were among the victims of the terrorist attack in NYC, you would rather just shed a few tears for them and forgive the people who masterminded the attack? I suppose in your view, then, that it would be better to forgive the Japanese Empire for bombing Pearl Harbor and killing thousands of American soldiers in the Philippines in the Bataan Death March than go to war with them and kill their civilians in the fire bombing of Tokyo.
But that's exactly what the hell happened!! To us!! No, I don't like it. It was no fault of mine. But how do you stop it? You have to fight back, no matter how much you don't like it. It's like the bully in school...as long as you let him, he's gonna beat the piss out of you. If you bust his lip just once, there's a big probabilty he'll stop. We can't just do nothing. We can't. Contrary to what you might think, I'm not all gung-ho about all this. I'm not a hick from the sticks with more guns than teeth. I'm actually well educated. I've also never been big on war. I think in the past the U.S. has perhaps poked it's nose into things it had no business in. But I don't think that's the case here. The sad fact of the matter is that there is no negotiating or bargaining with these people. The only thing they understand is violence. As much as we as Americans hate violence, it's also a sad fact that war has solved a lot of the world's problems. If not, you might just be pledging allegiance to Hitler right now, you and alot of other countries. Laurie Laurie
We have been giving food to them all along, this isn't new. I support what we are doing there. We can't allow these people to continue, and who knows which country will be the bad guy after they are through with the U.S.? It appears to me that Afganistan is already under his rule, and look what he calls freedom for them. Is that what you want for this country as well? Innocent people will always be hurt or killed, especially if these BinLaden types put their interests ahead of the interests of the innocents that are in the country they have infested. If I had a bead on him I'd take him out myself. Marque
Buddha i think you need to look at the longer term or wider view.....yes the gulf was about oil, but remember if the oil prices go up then ALL prices go up and people end up starving, oil prices are linked to all product prices.....as for this attack it had to be done, to do nothing would only either annoy Ben Laden in to more attacks or make him (and others) think the USA is an easy target....what you must remember is these people don't think like us....Steve
oh hell, here we go again, every one getting all riled up about something that just had to be done, for the sake of everybody, all over the world. We the british are also sending aid to the thousands of INNOCENT Afghans, as well as taking part in strikes against TERRORISTS. And I am proud of my country and yours for doing it. If we don't do something then we might as well all go and live in nuclear bunkers and forget about living.
The greatest part of wisdom is learning to develop the ineffable genius of extracting the "neither here nor there" out of any situation...."
I'm still of the opinion that and eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind, to paraphrase Ghandi. Interesting that you bring up Pearl Harbor... we needed a good excuse to get into that war, got us out of the depression, didn't it? And if I read the history books right, the Japanese did bomb Pearl Harbor in an unprovoked and horrible act... but we dropped atomic bombs on 2 of their cities. Somehow I think that we overstepped our ultimate retaliation in that one. It's pretty funny that we're doing all this arguing about something that none of us can do a damn thing about. I'm not going to change my opinion though and I'm not going to be a blind flag waver like so much of the rest of the country. We'll see what happens. But I can almost guarantee that there will still be terrorism and terrorists in the world when it's all said and done. From time to time those people will choose American targets. Perhaps I have higher ideals that are far from reality and perhaps violence begetting violence is the only way and perhaps I am foolish for not thinking it's a good thing that we're raining death on people that have nothing to do with the horrors that happened here. But I'm no more foolish than anyone that thinks the actions undertaken today are going to change a thing. Buddha32 now closes his mouth and waves his little American flag like a good citizen.
I reinforce my opinion. I'm not claiming that you Americans are bombing the terrorits, what I'm worry is that you are really sure in make it? Perhaps could be other terrorist group, in other country, who done the terrific attack on last Sept 11th? Our Goverment(Brazilian) give political support to you but also is asking it was necessary?
Good point, ohl. We've been told that the US has "irrefutable proof" that it was Ben Laden and his group... but no one has said publicly what that proof is. Interesting... I myself believe we do have the right guy... but in a country where we hold "innocent until proven guilty" as a basic right, why can't we say what the proof is? oops... I was supposed to be quietly flag waving...
This is the cold hard simple fact coming from a veteran. People get killed war. Civilians get killed in war. Some people here are running on idealism rather than hardcore facts. War is not a good or an evil, it is a resolution. In WWI & WWII, the Military forces not only bombed the military targets, but also the civilian targets. It was civilians who were working in the factories that built the weapons. It was civilians that worked at the docks and warehouses that were major supply depots that supplied the military with rations. Supply and support is the backbone of any military and to take that away is to cut the legs from under an aggressor. A SAM site without missles is nothing but a pickup truck. An army without food is an army too fatigued to fight. Taking out the support is the quickest way to victory and the least costly to lives but that means taking out the civilians whom are more often working in such areas. That is war. Now we are not talking about a bunch of people whom play by the rules either. We are talking about people whom are so determined to kill any american or british or european that they will send their own children out with bombs in their pants. That is how determined these people are. We have seen it before in Vietnam and Somalia. And for those of you whom don't know, the marines had standing orders to kill anyone whom came near their designated areas. Many children got killed because they ignored all warnings to halt. Such things go on everyday and a soldier do not have the luxury of ethics to lean on especially when he is the one underfire and risking is life for something greater than himself which is much more that I can say for some musician who probably was a high school dropout and knows nothing about events of the day yet yells the loudest against a military doing what a military is supposed to do. You can be as idealistic as you want, but remember, (those of you in the United States!) The freedoms you have were paid for by a soldier's blood. Most people don't have a clue what war is all about and why civilian targets are often so much more significant that military targets. Whether you like it or not, whether you are a Jehovah's Wittness or the most hardcore christian, you are part of this battle. Because if you pay the taxes that fund the military that kills the enemy. You are too supporting the forces that aggress the enemy. It tell you what, the enemy does not care about your belief or whether or not you are fighting for him. All he see is "Westerner!" Also as for the comments against Islam. I am too shaken by events of the day. I have always been for tighter immigration. I got big time flamed on this forum because of my views on Elian or whatever his name was. These people were sleepers. How can I look at a muslim person the same again. You tell my how I can look at any muslim person and say, well he is absolutely innocent. I will always question in my mind where thier loyalties are. Here in the U.K there are protestors standing outside of the gate with pickett signs that say war is wrong. I don't say anything to them because they have a right to be there. That is what I believe. But while I was jogging one day I was stopped on the street by one of them. I asked them this: Why don't you go over there and pickett at the border of their countries for striking this mighty blow. It was just as I thought. He bounced around the answer. On the other hand, America is not an angel either. We have profitted from destablization in that region many times. And for those of you whom don't know, we have been the ones to destablize the region on more than one event. So no claim to holy fame here. Welcome to the world of international affairs.
the people in Afghanistan have been tortured and killed methodically by the Taliban, the involvment of any other country may end this for them; in terms of victims of war, the poor and the destitute are always casualties of life, war is only incidental to that struggle. The repressive nature of the radical believers is not intended to do more than to enslave the people who cannot escape, the terrorists wish to create a terrorist state, filled with terrorists, they have no interest in sharing any resources with poor people. They use them as sheilds, as slaves and as breeding stock for the next generation of terrorists......this is not war in the traditional sense, it is an act intended to round up the cowards who find pleasure in shooting innocent people. For those who feel that it is only necessary to "love" these people back into the fold or to stay out of their way...think twice because that is what these people want, they want to argue that we are divided in our beliefs against the unified radicals.....they want you to welcome them with open arms so that they can get close enough to make sure you will be blown to bits with the bomb they carry....they love you to love them....that is what they count on........
I bet you that many of those people however believe in the Taliban just as there are supporters of Castro. What we get from the news is what we want to hear because that is what sells in america. The truth is often a far cry from the facts. I don't know about the Taliban or what they believe, however poor does not always equate to unhappy. What we may see as repressed may be something entirely different to them. To look at this with western eyes is to look at it with the eyes of ignorance. You cannot learn to speak spanish unless you think spanish and understand the symbols that make up the narrative. Only a handful westerners really know what is going down there and history will reveil that tale perhaps in another decade or more.
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For Buddha32: Do you want the US to travel around the world and by force implementing democracy in every country that doesn't have it??? It just so happens that monarchy's in most cases work just fine. Atleast when they're not ruled by somebody like the Taliban or Saddam. There are many countries around the world that doesn't have democracy. That does not necessarily mean that their people are being oppressed. Kuwait does not need to be forced into a democracy by us and neither does any other country. The people will make that choice when they want it badly enough. Oh and the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was NOT about retaliation. It was about ending a bloody war, that most likely would have resulted in even more japanese civilian and american soldier casualties than if they hadn't bombed the two cities. If the US had instead gone into Japan with ground forces, they would have faced women and children in the streets armed with bamboo spears. The japanese have never been good at surrendering and most likely millions would have been killed...On both sides. Don't compare WWII to this conflict. They are of a different nature entirely. Tephladon: To your question of whether or not you can ever look at a moslem again the same way you did before. The answer is Yes, you should be able to. The vast majority of moslems are as horrified by the September 11th massacre as the rest of the world is. Their religion is one of peace and respect. Not of murder or hate. I suggest to all that read this to take a bit of time out of their day and read through some of the info on the website I have provided a link for. Puts the term Jihad into perspective and also shows what the real moslem lives by. The Taliban are not moslems. They may say that they have Allah on their side, but religion is merely a thin shell that these animals hide their true motives behind. I am not a moslem, nor am I a christian, but I have members in my family of both orientations and have many friends that are moslem. Do not judge without knowing what you're judging. If you're a white christian, does that mean that we should look at you with mistrust because you're "the same as Timothy Mcveigh"? "Shit, he's white and christian, he's probably gonna blow up a federal building or burn a cross on someone's lawn. We better keep an eye on him." Ignorance is the anesthesia that numbs the pain of stupidity. Do not judge or hate something, just because it's different or you don't understand it. That makes you no better than bin Laden and his followers. Regards Ian Wendt
I do understand that there are many people whom claim the muslim faith but hold different beliefs just as there are different denominations of christians. I don't recommend you come here and generally fling insults or call people ignorant just because they have been shaped by this experience. The old parable is true. You can read and become as learned as you want but experience is the greatest teacher however it is experience you will pay the highest price for. Everyone is shaped by experience. I have been shaped by this experience. Experience also taught me not to drive through West Virginia, So I drive around the state. Not all West Virginians are racist but I learned on more than one occasion that I am not wanted in some parts there. But I don't go around speaking out against all white people. It just means that if I have to travel through West Virginia, I am more cautious than I would be if I were travelling through Virginia. That is not stupid or hating however it is prejudice born through experience and bred through caution. Most people call it human nature. Why can I not look at middle eastern muslims and arabs isrealites and jews the same. Because I will never be sure where their loyalties lie. You see, it would have been different if these people had came into the U.S illegally and committed these acts but now these were well placed insurgents who could make most americans believe that they were loyal to this country. A lie is like glass. If you don't see through it, it shines right back at you. These people are professionals at what they do all they way down to the resources. Being trained in america to commit the acts against the America and waiting for nearly a decade to be called into action without the slightest slip in their loyalty to their cause. How can I look at them the same knowing that. That is not hating people. That is caution and it was because of lack of caution that they so successfully pulled this operation off.
Carnifex... actually it was someone else that brought up WWII, I was merely responding. And no, I do not think that the US needs to go around forcing democracy on other nations... I was merely pointing out that Kuwait is no more free after the Gulf War than it was before. And don't kid yourself: they are oppressed. Women in that country can not work or drive or own property. Non muslims also may not own property. George Bush kept talking about "freedom" and "fighting back the aggressor" and not letting the act of "naked aggression" go unpunished as he wrapped himself up tighter and tighter in the American flag... and it seems to me that his boy is doing the exact same thing. As for ending the second world war, I believe it could have been done without nuking two major population centers. wave wave
Heh, Buddha32. Perhaps you should check up on your Kuwait info. Sounds like you're confusing the Taliban with Kuwait. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_345000/345400.stm I suggest the above news story. WWII could definitely have been ended without nuking the two cities. Could it have been done with less loss of civilian lives? No, not very likely at all. Teph, you're right in the sense that you can't know where these people's loyalties lie, but neither can you know that about people from any where else. Be it born-and-raised-americans or not. It could just as well be the guy in the seat next to you in your local church or in the bar or at the checkout line in the supermarket that has a bottle of anthrax in his coat pocket. The thing is that you can never know. But when you automatically assume that people of a certain denomination are terrorists, that is when you truly leave yourself open for attack. Oh and many of these terrorists did enter the country illegally. Many had been here without visa's for months, if not years. The fact that our system is so poor at catching people like that is a big part of the problem. Experience IS the best teacher, and like you I have been shaped by my experiences with moslems and people of other faiths. What my experience taught me is that the biggest mistake you can make is to judge somebody based on their skincolor, religion or country of origin. There are equal amounts of assholes in every race, creed or nationality. Egyptian fundamentalists killed a bus load of tourists some years back in Egypt. My step dad is from Egypt. Did that mean that his colleagues at his job suddenly looked at him with fear or hate in their eyes, because "He was one of them!"? No. By the way, my moslem stepdad married a christian woman (my mom) in a christian church and not one member of his family or friends back in Egypt had anything bad to say about it, despite my mother having had me in her first marriage. I was accepted by his VERY large family as just another member of the family and this family are all devout moslems. My stepdad to this day will still not eat pork. And he works for The Christian Childrens Fund. All I'm saying is don't judge every member of a certain people on the actions of a few madmen. Fanatics of ANY persuasion are potentially very dangerous. Oh and I never did call you ignorant. That was not the intention of my parable and if it was construed as such, then I apologise. Regards Ian
First, let me apologize to the community right upfront. I was determined to stay out of further discussion related to the current events unfolding around us. I admit I havent the deft touch of a diplomat. I also realize I rub most of you the wrong way. However, there are just times when the misinformation or outright lies become too great to ignore. This is one of those times. >>>I was merely pointing out that Kuwait is no more free after the Gulf War than it was before. And don't kid yourself: they are oppressed. Women in that country can not work <<< Incorrect. Or that young lady behind the counter at the Burger King in Kuwait City was a figment of my imagination. >>> or drive < Incorrect. In fact, the women drivers of Kuwait are as aggressive or more so than the male drivers. I think they may have created the term road rage. >>> or own property.<<< This one would be too involved to try and explain to one who obviously has such a grasp of the facts of the world. Suffice it to say that there is discrimination but that women are allowed to own property. >>> Non muslims also may not own property.<<< So those Christian churches are mirages? Yes, as hard as it may be for you to believe, there are Christian churches in Kuwait. >>>George Bush kept talking about "freedom" and "fighting back the aggressor" and not letting the act of "naked aggression" go unpunished as he wrapped himself up tighter and tighter in the American flag... and it seems to me that his boy is doing the exact same thing.<<< Yes, well, they also wrapped themselves up in facts a bit more accurate than the facts you just offered. I do not know the source for your facts, but I will put it up against mine. State your source. >>>As for ending the second world war, I believe it could have been done without nuking two major population centers.<<< Agreed. But it would have cost ten to twenty times the number of lives. Casamerica
Buddha32, you continue to evade answering my original question. I will restate it then for everyone's benefit: if your children were among the victims of the WTC terrorist attack, will you just shed a few tears for them, meekly turn the other cheek and ask the U.S. government to forgive the terrorists, who declared war on the U.S. and its citizens, and the Taliban government harboring and protecting them? Answer the question, yes or no? If your answer is no, then kindly explain to everyone here what you, if you were President of the U.S.A., would do to bring those responsible for this attack to justice.
..................... "I hope that the American people ...." .................... I hope that the American people can get together and have some common sense about this whole thing, and understand that, for as much as it stinks, c'est la vie. Nobody really ever wants a war. Well, I imagine there are those who do, such as bin laden, but you'll notice that people who think like that tend to make sure they're safe from it all when the shit starts hitting the fan. That's what this is all about. bin Laden has run from the fan, so we have to take the shit to him , all up-close and personal-like, so he gets a good look at it before it's plastered all over him.
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Wow... looking back on this thread can really set one to wondering. This all started because one person simply said that they hoped that the United States was sure they were doing the right thing. Then the whole thing went apeshit. It's funny...and a bit sad really. I know that my opinions are rarely shared by the masses... and I often find myself turned into a whipping boy in forums like this because I don't simply go along with popular opinion. Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword knew what they were talking about. I could literally feel anger and hatred pouring from some of you, through your words. Why is someone expressing a different opinion such a threat? Through the course of the day, looking at the thread and responding here and there, I made the mistake of allowing myself to be drawn into sidebar arguments. Let me simply say that I do not have a set of encyclopedias in front of me at all times and examples I may have used to illustrate my points were based solely upon my memory of certain events and articles/media etc that surrounded them at the time. Case in point: To Casamerica: Clearly I was never in Kuwait, thank God. I did not make up the things I said however I clearly remember reading them a short time after the gulf war. The source was a news magazine - and not a slanted left wing one either... but we are talking about 10 years ago here. I will admit that since you clearly have first hand experience that you are right and I was wrong about the state of individual liberties in Kuwait. I think that my point is still valid, however. We assisted the ousting of one oppressive dictatorship for an absolute monarchy that simply happened to be more friendly to us. And while the president spoke of "striking a blow for freedom" and other such rhetoric, the fact is that if it weren't for the oil involved, we wouldn't have been there at all. To Rtamesis: I was not eveading your question, there is no need for me to do that. You ask if one of my children were killed in the 9/11 horror, would I turn the other cheek yadda yadda. More to the point, you ask what would I do if I were the President. Well, I can't pretend to have all the answers, and as much as I disagree with the man in a number of ways, I do not envy his position. The one thing I know I would not do is start dropping bombs and missiles on an entire country (ok ok... certain locations within a country) to retaliate for the actions of one group. Maybe that's why I would never be the President, I guess. All through this forum I see arguments about how the Taliban opresses people in Afghanistan and how maybe these actions will stop that... like that gives more of a moral cause for our actions. Thing is, before the 11th happened, we didn't give a tin shit about who the Taliban oppressed... and we really still don't. The anguish over what happened last month will last a lifetime. Whether you lost friends or loved ones in the disaster is immaterial, if you are American.... nay if you are a compassionate human being in any way, you were affected by the horror. And the souls of the lost and their families are crying out for justice. I hear it as loudly as anyone. I simply don't think that this is the way to get it. To the people that were bombed today, those innocents caught in the crossfire I mean... we will appear just as evil as the terrorists that committed the original act. I don't think the care packages that we're also dropping will ease the woes of a mother who's children are gone. I don't think the family that huddles under an empty crate for shelter because their home was destroyed will feel any better that we gave them the box. And these actions will not bring back the lives we lost, will not shelter the families that were forced from their homes here, will not ease the pain in any way that I can see. I'm not trying to piss anyone off any more than I already have (never meant to in the first place... but I suppose it is unavoidable), but just as your opinions are unchanged by all this discussion, so are mine. And despite it all, the bombs still flew, and last I heard Bin Laden still lives. How many people her purport to be Christians? I, myself, am not. I am Pagan. I know Christianity pretty well though. I even studied with the intent of becoming a Pastor at one time (seems a million years ago now). I do know that George W. likes to talk like a Christian. He did say that the decision to launch an attack came with "a lot of prayer." Thing is, my Bible seemed to say that Christ taught us to turn the other cheek. That if you enemy strikes one cheek, offer the other is how I believe it is put. George is a Christian, I guess, when it may garner votes or the support of the Moral Majority. I guess that's all an arguement for another day. No good can come out of repaying evil with evil, I guess is all I meant to say. You can take that however you like or just ignore it. Whatever you want, I know it's not going to change a damn thing anyway. But I believe blowing shit up and killing innocent people is evil. No matter what your reason for it is. And I think that certainly applies here. The sun will rise tomorrow. Unfortunately, there's some six thousand people in New York who won't. Today we saw to it that that number was added to by however many in Kandahar and Kabul. I grieve for all of them, whether it is the "American" thing to do or not.
Still can't answer a simple question can you? And the question is after all your criticism over what has been done, what is your solution for the here and now. Not lay back and state "Well I would have done this or I would've done that". You really like to criricize others but never seem to be able to come up with a working solution. Typical. What a bunch of dribble from a pathetic little wanker.
Pathetic little wanker? Wow... name calling is very inventive. Actually amongst all the pages and pages of crap here, your question was lost. It just didn't stand out. You really want to know what I would do? I suppose if I were oh so sure that Osama Bin Laden were the culprit, I would take him out. Send an intelligence agent to where he is and put a slug in his head. Send a team and take out those suspected of conspiring with him. Maybe assasinate the Taliban leaders while I was at it. We won't do that though. When you shoot just one person it's "murder." When you drop bombs on a city it's "just retaliation." And I don't recall attacking you personally, HairBall. I'd thank you to offer me the same respect.
Well... "Buddha32, You seem to be against whatever policy the United States has internationally. What exactly would you do NOW, with actions towards terrorists. I am sure everyone would like to hear your well formed foreign policy." And then... "Still can't answer a simple question can you? And the question is after all your criticism over what has been done, what is your solution for the here and now..." "...You really like to criricize others but never seem to be able to come up with a working solution. Typical. What a bunch of dribble from a pathetic little wanker." Can't imagine where I got the idea.
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Just heard from TV that the Americans together with British had attacked Afganistan. Here in Brazil we are prying that the Americans are sure that they are fighting against the terrorism and not against Islam people, against poor people that have nothing for eat, for drink and...for live. I saw the terrific scenes from Sept 11th and I posted my opinion on this forum at that time. OK, you must give a answer to this fucked people which think that exploding us will be usefull for their job, but please not commence a war without sure! (Sorry for my bad English)