Poppi.. I would rather see it dropped then learn more about this site's inner conflicts and intrigues..

i said this, he said that, you said the other, let's all just get f'in nekkid in a blow up plastic pool and play full contact Marco Polo.

Abraham said this, Moses said that, Jesus hit me with the wiffle ball bat.

Well as a member in good standing at BOTH Poser Pros and Renderosity I must say I am insulted by being refered to as PEE PEE . Thats something a 5 year old might say. I also think all the members of this site should have recieved an apology. We were ALL effected by the changes made toward the merchants in one way or an other. It would be nice if there was a symbiotic respect between the PTB and the membership but I guess that will never be. No profit in it?

No profit at all, SPirit. ;]

"...if the thread "leaked" is the worst in the admin forum..." Somehow I sincerely doubt that.

Well Spiritbro, at least you're not a "3dCommie"... (chuckle) ('course, there is irony in Scott's image... guess who built the crapper?) /P

Actually Peng I am a member there as well.lol I dont spend as much time there as I would like but do pop in on occasion. They have a great PSP forum that Trevor runs.

...lift the lid next time - there's morph dials on that thing to do that, y'know. /P

Is 3D Commie what they call us poor folks at the 3D Commune? Well I guess we should expect the same treatment as everyone else. See now who's complaining about favouritism? I was starting to feel that we weren't important enough to sling mud at.

So does that make me a Pee Pee Commie Rosity Rat?

Attached Link: http://www.faeriewylde.com

Any sites with the word Pinko in them them we could be pinko commies.

First paragraph from the letter, enclosed with this month's payment: Renderosity implemented a new policy on November 1st that effects [sic, should be "affects"] a very small number of merchants -- about six merchants." (I'm not even going to address the issue of the using the grammatically correct word "effects" vs "affects" in a professional letter.) The point is: if this "new policy" only affected "six merchants", why was it made public... and so badly? Shouldn't these 6 people have been sent a private e-mail telling them about the upcoming change? And then the issue could have been discussed (in private) between them and the admins? Instead, the issue was forced upon everyone, without notice and without explanation. Sides were drawn, vendors got upset, people removed their products and galleries, etc. However, further down in the letter is an apology from the admin team. So, maybe it's time to accept the apologies from the Admin Team and move on? --John

I am neither a peepee (I'm sure mehndi herself would have pobjections to me being considered an important member of that site ;-D ) nor a 3Dcommie - but I take offense to the comment that I "yap" For the record, I may moan, and occasionally whimper - sometimes I even scream "Oh GOD" - but I have never "yapped" and the only "snapping" I do is technically nipping or biting. If ya don't like the light, then don't poke your head out of teh hole... ;-D

3DCommies?!? LMAO. Hey better red than dead ;) Janet Otremba (aka Jade, jade_nyc) 3DCommie Admin

"However, further down in the letter is an apology from the admin team. So, maybe it's time to accept the apologies from the Admin Team and move on?"

Only if every merchant receives this.

"Renderosity implemented a new policy on November 1st that effects a very small number of merchants -- about six merchants." So? How many merchants are they allowed to screw over before we're officially allowed to get upset? 10? 20? 50? 100?

I don't mind being a 3D Commie. Just let me dust off my statue of Lenin and break out my Vodka. I've been called worse things in life and even had people try to burn me at the stake. Either way this whole thing turns out, I'm just in for the ride and will always keep in mind that this is just a website and if I really don't like something I'll just disconnect.

I don't mind being a 3D Commie... Just glad I don't work at "Kinderosity" ROFLMAO.....

ut oh. The cats outta the bag now... Your giving away our secret spy decoder ring codes Jackie 8 )~ Tom

i know, from the get go...week one, i never got a straight answer here. first ?....there was a merchant render on each side of mine, we all got the same number of hits...why were the 2 merchant renders put into the hot 20, and, not mine....answer...why, my dear...the papa-joe-greasey dicks of the internet chose YOUR render to do "repeat" clicks on. whilst those of the merchants one each side were "original" viewings. so, like, from the beginning i knew i could be dealing with money grubbing lying scummers.... question #2...why is c&d eliminated off the face of the internet? wouldn't it be interesting if we could go back and see r'osity history....various and sundry replies, when i got 'em....mostly, twas this...but, my dear, we are opening a new forum...you will just love it....we call it the OT forum. what was not said was: we will move any post that we really can't come up with a reason for locking over there. that way we can bury it before it is dead. then there was the ? about one of my images getting severely degraded when r'sity was changing servers...gettin' ready for that content paradise we are all eagerly awaiting. it was moved to o.t., as usual...there audre told me, upon her analysis i MUST HAVE uploaded it that way. right....it had 20 or so comments, was voted a 10, and NO-ONE HAD ENOUGH OF AN EYE TO NOTICE IT...of course, i trusted her. she's a mod, and, must be right, yes? but, chill, you all. why? 'cause this is a learning site, now. i KNOW THIS FOR A FACT....an admin told me. peepees, indeed!!! that term was beneath my kids when they were 3.

Hey Poppi, stop stealing our spotlight, we're onto the 3D Commies now. No Fair. PoserPros is hogging all the attention. Angel Michael 3D Commune Moderator.

okay, i'm real sorry. i'll behave.

Spirit Bro, So does that make me a Pee Pee Commie Rosity Rat? no, it make you a pinkopeepee3DCommie spy. ~wink~ hmm, maybe I should hit the three sites I don't have a membership at and sign up..then they can hit me with all the names. RDNA, PFO, and fairywilde got room for another member?

Ok I skipped thru most of this. Question: Jeny / Jeff - Will ALL merchants get a letter or just select few ? Cause realize it or not, your decisions drove customers away too. So I just want to know that. This threads looking political by the way the questions are being 'answered'.

Jai, since you skimmed the thread you might not have realised there was quite a hooha that cropped up in the middle of this thread so I don't think you're gonna get any further answers from staff regarding the original subject. Hope that helps... you're just gonna have to email staff for an answer. :/ (The "hooha" was a screenshot from the rosity admin forum that got posted at poserpros forum by some anonymous member... had a few choice quotes from admin here that didn't look favourable...)

See what I mean. There they go again, those damn Poser Pros stealing the spotlight from us 3D Commies.

runs out to Spotlights'R'Us

And I should think so. There just aren't enough spotlights for all us winging, attention grabbing bastards.

NEED MORE LIGHT!

Well, all I can say is that I'm so happy I'm none of the above. You have no idea what a relief it is to be a moderate right wing leftist from the far centre and not associated at all with peepees, 3dcommie pinko spies or much of anything else. :)

With appologies to Alain Boublil and Claude-Michel Schonberg Merchants: Do you hear the people sing? Singing the song of angry men? It is the music of the merchants Who will not be slaves again! When the beating of your heart Echoes the beating of the drums A way of life is about to end When Contents Paradise comes. Evil Empire: Will you give all you can give So that our profits may advance? Some will fall and some will live Will you stand up and take your chance? The blood of the merchants Will water the meadows of France!

-Pokes Questor- Ok...I'll play devils Advocate for a minute here...(cringe) First, lemme just say that anyone who thinks it's easy being a Mod - or Admin - in one of these communities...is in serious need of some education. Alot of shit goes on in private forums...it has to...it's the only place we have to vent. WE (Site admins & such)don't have the luxury of going out in public forums spouting off at trolls, and flamers..we have to be relatively buisnesslike...(ugh...I just said THAT?)Why? Because way off in our little forums, we're planning contests, working in the store, trying to entice advertizers...and keep the site going...no money, no site. Greed? Not my call, but unless I am uninformed...(Some)People here at "R" have real offices, and get paid... So yea, "R" is a buisness....and they want to STAY in business...wouldn't you? If you don't like what they DO, then go away...create your OWN site, where YOU make the rules...then tell everyone how EASY it is....its really that simple, because in the grand scheme of things, you aren't going to change it by screaming, and flaming. Find a form where you are comfortable...ask for change in a calm sensible manner, and you might get somewhere...AND on the same note...Admins/Mods need to respond...with more than one sentence....or by moving the thread to OT...because then it LOOKS like you don't care. With 100,000 some odd members between us,( R, PPros, 3DC, etc,,,) there is NO WAY to make everyone happy, and there is NO WAY to know exactly what is the best thing to do/say at any given moment. Every few months or so, there is another "event" that sparks a flamewar or two...Life goes on. It's been happening in these forums for years...and I doubt very much that will change any time soon...get used to it...learn to laugh at it...Listen to Legume....he is wize. LOL Ok...that's it. removes nose.

For those of you who don't know...I'm an admin over at 3DC.. Am I upset about the comments in the disappearing screenshot? Nope.....hence my comment in post #72.... :P

"...there is NO WAY to know exactly what is the best thing to do/say at any given moment.' Maybe not, but you can be pretty sure that calling members morons and whiners and saying "Screw 'em" just might not be it. It's not just a little venting. They keep coming up with new stupid policies to strike out at people, acting on these words. Therefore, those words become far more important than they would be otherwise. As far as the "if you don't like it, leave" bullshit I keep hearing spouted again and again, it's like this: I pretty much have. But I've been here for two years, invested a lot of time in this place, and it pisses me off to be forced out just because a few assholes go on a power trip. I may not be able to do anything about it, but I'm damn sure not going quietly. In fact, there's a big misconception here, that this is "their" site. "They" may own the hardware and the software, but they wouldn't be shit with out the members. What good is a gallery if no one posts pictures there? What good is a Free Stuff section if no one posts freebies there? What good are a gaggle of forums if no one posts there? All those pictures are ours. All of those forum posts are ours. All of that free stuff is ours. The tutorials are ours, it's our products they are selling in the Marketplace, it's OUR site! Tim could sell this place this afternoon, but what would he really be selling? An empty shell. WE own everything here of any real value, and it's time they realized that. Hell, it's time WE realized that.

I agree perfectly, Jackie. It ain't easy pleasing everyone, and no, I'm not mad about it either... I would almost be disappointed if they hadn't done it. IMHO, the screenshot was posted as a distraction, and the biggest irony of it all is, the reason why was right there on the screenie. After all, it is far easier to be badmouthed over minor crap like mods acting juvenile, than to be badmouthed over big stuff like the CEO overtly getting caught screwing his own merchants, and then caught lying about his reasons why. OTOH, getting back to your point, wouldn't it be easier (and better to the reputation) to give a straightforward answer than to hide it behind a ton of misleading answers and thinly veiled CYA when called on it? Because that is exactly what happened in R'osity's case.

Well X2....remember way back when 3DC was created & that mass "exodus" was going to be the end of "Rosity"? It wasn't. Ya see...if everyone "Leaves" and comes back...and leaves....and comes back...there must be a greater number of "Thems" than "We's"....there are new members here everyday...and sure, there are the (Insert number) of folks who are disillusioned...but not very many stick to their guns...and leave forever (even you, by your own words...fot that matter..."I" still come here & rant..LOL))...this is true everywhere. Members created this site...but it has been a long time since "Rosity" was completely member-supported. Not trying to flare anything up here...but They have capitol...Now...if EVERYONE was to pull out of the store, and EVERYONE was to stop posting, I'm sure it would send a message...but this never happens....& won't happen. There are (very few) members in these forums crying foul, and leaving...if you compare it to the actual number of active members... Like I said...just sticking my nose in...I like being a Commie...I live there...work there, shop there...and nowhere else...because it IS member supported. We don't always do the popular thing over there....its tough...but we try. It isn't easy.

We crossed..."OTOH, getting back to your point, wouldn't it be easier (and better to the reputation) to give a straightforward answer than to hide it behind a ton of misleading answers and thinly veiled CYA when called on it? Because that is exactly what happened in R'osity's case." Yup. :)

"We don't always do the popular thing over there....its tough...but we try." Ah, and the trying is the important part. Here, I just don't see them trying anymore. And no, for the record, I'm not stupid or naive enough to say that R'osity's going to topple. But if it maintains its present administration with their present attitude, I do think it's simply going to rot, die a slow, lingering death. NO ONE is invincible. I mean, who ever though K-Mart would go under? It used to be an american institution, now it's wobbling on its last, sickly legs. If it can happen to them... But my main point is that I don't WANT to see that here. I simply want certain people here to pull their heads out of their asses and actually listen to the members once in a while. I WANT to LIKE this place again. As far as the rest, no, you'll never see a mass exodus, but a few here and a few there adds up after a while. Yes, there will be new blood coming in to replace them, but what about QUALITY? How many of these newbies will come in with the knowledge and experience of a Mehndi or a LadySilverMage or whoever? How long will it take them to get that good? WILL they? Ever? "but not very many stick to their guns...and leave forever (even you, by your own words..." I haven't left yet, not really, although I spend less and less time here lately. If I do pull my stuff and leave, though (which I'm very close to doing), I assure you it will be permanent. My stubborness is legendary.;) Of course, that just means I'll be bugging you more over at 3DC, so their loss is your gain, eh? snicker

To be honest, I never said I was leaving... instead I said that I would do what 90% of the membership does in here - lurk and leech. I've completely stopped posting in the Poser forum, but for some reason, I still post here on occasion... I guess that when things die down and hope is finally lost, I'll prolly stop posting here, too :) But no, there's no need to go away... besides, I can tell you right now that it costs R'osity more if you suck down all their bandwidth by posting a zillion images to their gallery, browsing their fora, and in general leeching like a mad dog, than to go away entirely. Meanwhile, I actively encourage the merchants I like to post their goodies in other markets, so I don;t have to buy anything here. x2k is right... R'osity is well on its way to becoming an online CG flea market, and it will eventually die off, slow and sure. Kinda sucks that it has to happen, but what can you do? /P

LadyJ, You are correct in stating that customers are being driven away. I'm one of them. I won't state how much I've spent in the Marketplace here, but if they have just 10 more people like me that are not buying as a silent protest to the way this situation was handled, they're going to realize a serious dent in their bottom line profits in a year's time. A silent protest from one of the so called "silent majority". The only products that I'll buy from here are the ones I can't find anywhere else and even then I'll have to think long and hard about it. I have no problem supporting a member or business site with my purchases, but I'll be damned if I'll support a three-ring circus with hidden agendas and tolereate snide comments and insults from the ringleaders. This last week's fiasco on the part of the site's administration has proven to be the last straw for me.

X2...Point 1 - I agree. :) Point 2..I know you aren't stupid or naive..just making an exaggerated point...AND...I agree...in fact, I could go into that whole thing as it related to many places I've worked at IRL. (unfortunately) Point 3 - Its taken LSM & Mendhi ...and others YEARS...I daresay to get as good as they are. QUALITY...damn important if you want to survive...I agree...but that is another rant I could go on...I deal with Quality issues everyday. (IRL too) Point 4 - I left once...never to return..pulled all of my gallery....and went next door...but..I always lurked...and really enjoyed C&D...and the Tavern....-sigh- the good old days...where's the chex mix eh? X2000...you can bug us all you want. :) Note: Please excuse typos ...I'm used to being able to edit..LOL

Hmm... thread got ditched to OT. I'm not surprised. Ah well. /P

Oh nevermind.

Heh, of course it got moved here, I'm actually rather surprised it lived as long as it did in the other forum. Once upon a time C&D was the dumping ground for all posts that people didn't know what to do with - toss it in there and let them chew it up and spit out the remains. At least it was lively. Seems that OT is the new morgue. Move it, ditch it, bury it, watch it die. Pro-active burial. Thank the spirits this isn't Logan's Run or we'd all be floating around in the air waiting to be vapourised.

I guess that's the sign I was waiting for. My free stuff is still available at 3D Commune, although I'm going to take Renderosibee down and rework him a little, then repost the new and improved version with a new name. And my "x2000's Restaurant" Poser set is available in their marketplace, as well as at Animotions and Renderotica, but it's coming down here just as soon as Clint can delete it.

Unfortunately, in a few months, new artists will not remember any of this and business will flourish here as usual... And with P3 being free on the magz here right now, you KNOW there will be a new flock very soon. Protest is right and good... but it will not hurt Rosity, IMO. :-(