This  is just my opinion of course.

I think the highlight sizes could be larger overall. My experience is that skin, even moisturized, casts larger/brighter highlights, unless oil or water is on the surface. Much in the way color on the face can be defined by maps, so can oil of the face. But I think generally, highlights are more spread out/scattered.

I worked as a make-up artist for many years. The skin in the renders looks great. But it reminds me of when a body that has been oiled is then powdered trying to reduce the shine. Just a suggestion to try slightly larger/brighter highlights.

Just trying to be helpful. Looks great regardless.

Jen,

You keep mentioning question/discussion threads, etc. This is not what I am refering to.

Explain to me specifically the need for "New at Daz" threads or better yet, the "Alice 2.0" thread.

Not trying to single anyone out. Those types of threads are nothing more than annoucement threads you do not allow creators to make. Wht then would you want anyone else to make them.

Just explain that, without bringing up help threads, discussion threads, vendors on vacation, etc.

Quote - Kendra wrote:
Sometimes it's not the attention we want and since the change Anton wants is not going to happen, the alternate very well could. 

I wasn't asking for any changes. I just was asking why there are two differing policies for the exact same types of posts.

You keep saying I benefit currently in some way. I am not a merchant and have no commercial inventory anywhere in Poserdom. Apollo is free and his use, by others, benefits me in no way. Whether 100000 or 10 people use him is  the same to me.

Quote - JenX wrote:
It's not so much that there are separate rules for content creators and non-content creators.  It's simply that one cannot post advertisements about their product, for free or for profit, in the forum.

And yet the other can.

Jen,
That does mean there are separate rules for content creators and non-content creators..

-Joe Creator cannot make a post saying "My new Hair at Daz"
-Suzy User can post saying "Joe's new Hair at Daz!"

As I said in my initial post, I don't see how there is any  difference in the end result. A commercial post is made.  As I said, this issue has zeo effect on me, I have always been very pro-content creator, free or otherwise.

If the policies were designed to prevent commercial spam, and yet commercial spam by users is allowed, then the policy is bogus and discriminatory.

I asked my questions to better understand the rational of the admins in having a policy that is partially broken and selectively enforced. The decision does seem biased and reflective of personal preferences. And why I asked the admins instead.

Quote - Connie wrote:
I thought Jen just said that they're trying to be a bit more relaxed about the rules as of late. The threads you enumerated in the initial post seem to support this.
Where is the inequality?

Connie, the thread (which wasn't addressed to Jen repectfully) went in another direction from some, but I am not sure how I could have put my questions more plain. I was asking:
***Why are there separate rules for content creators(not necessarily merchants) when similar threads are allowed by anyone but the creator.

***Really all I am looking for.

Sweetie, start from page one. Read each blue block one by one and wait for the light bulb. be patient. It will come. But wait for it.

Seriously, this  issue doesn;t affect me at all. But it is an important issue to me, because I see where it isn't fair.

But in regards to my banner and Apollo, I did have to announce him in the Freebie forum and was one of the first to use it. I follow the rules, even if I don;t like them.

Quote - JenX- In all fairness, the original rule was around because you couldn't ask a question or post a tip without it being drowned out of the forum with commercial posts.  That's why we made the MP forum in the first place.  Well, that was before I came on staff, but still.

That isn't accurate. So overy exxagerated. It was not so bad. Noone was drowned. I was here during that period and before as an active member; not someone who posted elsewhere and occassionally came here. It was a problem, then too, because the rules were never consistant.

Two periods in time are being confused.

The Product Showcase birth, many years ago, resulted from an earlier wave of complaints and a desire to have a place to show off products since the forums were a very popular site feature. At the time, commrcial themed threads were very popular with all the discussion you are saying is so good to have. But back then, that popularity lead to resentment, which lead to a lot of complaints.

So to fix the issue they created the Product SHowcase Forum.
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?message_id=606232

The issue of people avoiding Product Showcase continued into 2003. The problem was similar. Some threads advert, promo, wip threads, usually about Daz figures, weren't being moved to Product showcase. More resentment ensued.
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=1374482&page=1

In 2004 there was a surge of forum rules. Brokering was at it's height. There were many sour grapes in the forums who frequently/actively griped about brokers talking about their items. Several rules and changes happened during a short period of time and were very severe. Nothing unrelated to the use of Poser was allowed.

Complaint and debate, much liek PP Chix Coop, took most of the OT thread stress. So to get around the issuein the Poser forum, people would post a pic of a poser figure and then say "Btw.....".
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=1680787

The suggestion of a toggle feature to simply hide commercial posts has been suggested for over 7 years. They say they listen?

The best suggestions from the past have been

1. A visibility toggle for topic flags like nudity, commercial, etc. (ignored)
2. A content discussion forum.

and for those thinking "non-commercial use for freebie" issues are anything new..

2001 thread in Complaint & Debate Forum

posted more for fun and nostalgia

Not any more rules. Not sure if you read the whole thread. The point is the rules aren't the same for everyone.

Quote - We appreciate your feedback.  We do listen, we promise.  At this time, we feel that our (staff) dilligence is needed to monitor threads for commercial posting,

Nice to hear.

Quote - but a blanket ban on posting anything regarding commercial products is not only not necessary, it would be very heavy-handed. 

You misunderstoof what I was asking. Noone said "Blanket ban"

Quote - We will be, as a team, reviewing every potentially commercial thread (obviously blatant commercial threads will be immediately removed and/or deleted, in accordance to the recently changed advertising policies). 

Nice to hear.

Quote - We will also be keeping a close watch on those who may be attempting to circumvent our rules.  

okay sounds good if it is sincere and not biased.

Quote -  ...we do NOT believe that either a blanket ban or an advertising free-for-all is in the best interest of this forum's users.

I am annoyed you keep saying blanket ban. You are insinuating a request that was not made.

Quote - In short, things will be staying the same, only we will be working harder on OUR end to ensure advertising does not happen in our forum.

Does this include non-discussion announcements?

Quote - And, as always, if you have any further questions, you can always reach admin directly (and faster) by emailing them at Admin@Renderosity.com

Jeni

Noone answered any of my questions. ***

***and not targeting Phantom3d, or anyone else, but are commercial figure WIP posts allowed in the Poser forum again?

That brings up a good point. The issue is about posting, not reading. People can skip over anything they want, of course. But does it matter who the author is when deciding who can post and who can't?

I am serious about this.

My questions are not about OT threads, asking questions, tutorials, etc.

Everyone here knows exactly the type of threads I am referring to, which are being allowed. And I provided links to such examples initially. Many of the threads, that are being allowed, are not discussion. They are advert announcements. And many seem to be slipping through the cracks.

Many people don't mind biased rules that don't apply to them, even if they apply to someone else.

We are all members. Content creators are't sub-members. There is no difference between a promotion post by a creator versus a fan. A thread is a thread. A post is a post.

Here was the initial question rephrased:

***Why are there separate forum rules for members that are content creators, when the exact same types of posts, that the rules are wanting to prevent, are allowed by anyone else? 

JenX, which staff member is that person who makes these final decisions?

Cool. Thanks.

Hopefully someone will explain the reason for the differing policies.
 

Quote - Commercial posts don;t bother me, and I think they may be self levling, where merchants will be somewhat careful about ticking off their customers by being too annoying or overbearing.

Perhaps I misunderstand you. I don't think that is the intended role of the forums, unless otherwise labeled. If it is, that is disturbing on many levels. Least of all it means it is a vehical for abuse masked as "feedback".

"Site policy" for creators is not "censorship" for non creators when in regards to the same types of topic threads. It is either one or the other for all. Members are members IMO.

"Consumer Feedback" in our forums is commercial and is a customer/user initiative. The Poser forum isn't a customer "feedback/service" forum. Is it? At least I hope I am not mistaken.

Quote - I think what Anton is trying to draw attention to, is that there appears to be different "degrees of freedom" for posting and discussion, between creators and non-creators of content.

Exactly. But I really would like it explained.

K here is the list so far......

http://3dplants.0catch.com/index.html
http://art-collabhost.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=
http://cgrealms.com
http://marketplace.rendervisions.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=SFNT
http://mystic-nights.com/directory/index.php
http://poserproducts.com/index.html
http://purokc-creations.net
http://rawart3d.com/
http://store.xanderstudios.com/
http://www.3-darena.com/
http://www.3d.sk
http://www.3dpmr.com/index.asp
http://www.3dutils.com/
http://www.DarkEdgeDesign.com
http://www.aerysoul.com/board/index.php
http://www.andi3d.co.uk
http://www.antjesgraphics.com/store/
http://www.bbay.com/store/index.cfm?aff=47676
http://www.blacksmith3d.com
http://www.cakeone.com/e/index.html
http://www.contentcreatorsguild.net/
http://www.dacort.com/index2.php
http://www.damageinc3d.net/DIStore/catalog/
http://www.elvenesque.com/
http://www.es3d.com
http://www.evilinnocence.com/
http://www.expandingwave.com./
http://www.faeriedreams.com
http://www.jaguarwoman.com/
http://www.lluque.com/3dcart/
http://www.mec4d.com/
http://www.meshbox.com/
http://www.nerd3d.com
http://www.netherworks-studios.com/
http://www.nouschka-design.com/shop/
http://www.oddditty.com/index.php
http://www.philc.net/
http://www.planetvixens.com/
http://www.polymage.com/
http://www.poserworld.com
http://www.rawart3d.com
http://www.render-spice.com/
http://www.sanctumart.com/index.php
http://www.seekergamingsystems.com
http://www.shopwicked.com
http://www.silverelf.com/zsestore/
http://www.skinprops.com
http://www.startiste.com/storefront/index.php
http://www.vanishingpoint.biz/
http://www.wiremonger.com/index.html
http://www.xfx3d.net/
http://www.xurge3d.com/home
http://www.zs3d.com
http://xero-web.net/