*Often real caves are covered with white bat guano,
"mummified" bat carcasses, and limestone deposits.

*OCKHAM - R you  a SPELUNKER???

;-)

It would be outstanding if someone like Ockham or Les came up with something that I think Poser needs for a face room fix.

When you morph  the G2 faces, as an example,  the eyeholes get moved, we know that -we have been discussing it and there are fixes. However,  a BIGGER problem, IMO, is that the smoth curve of the eyholes  gets all rumpled out of shape  even with just moderate face morphing.

Look closely at my previous posted image, Sydney's lower lids have a nice smooth curve ( where they touch the eyeball), while the custom face lower eyelids are showing some signs of disruption to that smooth curve. I did some morph brushing ( surface push/suface smooth)
but you can only get it so perfect that way,  not to mention, again, I have major problems with very small detailed work with the morphing tool, it crashes Poser on me.

So I was thinking that a great tool  would be an eyehole curve smoother, where perhaps the coordinates of the horizontal vertices  of the string polygons closest to the eyeballs is subjected to getting adjusted to smooth wave coordinates, after taking into account that the coordinates of the leftmost polygon  and rightmost polygon in the string have to stay where they are, (that way your eye slant stays GENERALLY true to how you wanted the eyes positioned). The artist could have plenty of control over smoothing out eyeholes, and also could maitain the intended eyeshape if the wavlength, frequency, and cycle start point of the wave could be adjusted.

I am no genious with code and stuff. I am just sayin'.......I wish something like this existed.
I would imagine you would need a separate fix file for each indivdual base figure, as the polygon counts are probably all differnt around the eyes for the diferent figures

So many times  I have had to trash (what I thought were)GREAT head morphs because the eye holes got all crushed up looking and I could not fix them.

BTW Les, thank you for your 7:15 post -that  was very nice of you.

BTW I cannot say enough about how convenient and great your MM32 utility is.

I sorta lied about using 100% face room morph,, i used magnets to a small degree on her upper lip, and nostrils and employed your Mirror Mags.

I used Ockham's unhide params  and I xlated X,Y,Z, like Les said, very slightly, by typing the numbers   -We are talking moving the 3rd decimal place only 1 or 2 clicks!

And she seems to look OK - Although now her irisis are small relative to the size of her eyes.Maybe I'll just put a bigger iris image on the current texture map.
Not sure .....I kind of like the smaller appearing irisis, I think Sydney's are too big.

No problems yet having her move her eyes and look around- but then again, she's not a MONSTER!  NOt yet anyways, I am starting on the horns now, I am trying to make round horn "sockets" on her temples. you know, she'll have a little bit of flesh and skin gathered up around the base of the horns... I have this crazy idea of doing the horn sockets as a morph to the head instead of a conforming prop...i am not so good making props and I thought I could ensure good mesh continuity if I just pulled the sockets out of the forehead. Alas, my morphing brush tends to make Poser crash on me and I cannot use it to smooth out the polygons of the head after I have have pulled a section of forhead out with a magnet

woe is me

BUT THANKS AGAIN for the info on the peepers!
 

MY BAD! I had to restart Poser.
The unhide utility of Ockham is there now.

I forgot that this was not like runtime library content , which appearts without having to restart Poser.

hmmmm

Funny, I FINALLY found  the hidden command for the leftEye ztran , changed the 0 to a 1....

dial is still missing from the parameter window for left eye.

also i COULD not find  right eye ztran in the .cr2,  I looked and searched like crazy -

Oh well,  no matter ,

I downloaded ockham's  unhideparms  and placed it in the folder that has the other Python scripts  but the thing does not show up in Poser when i go to the scripts drop down....
where is the sure file place to put this script in my directory?

Thanks

God I am pathetic, huh?

Correct, good Doctor, Z trans dials do not exist for the eyeballs ....can you please explain this:
you may need to go to the character's file to change it.

Bagginsbill .

Thank you for the further clarification and reference to the other thread. That thread told me a lot.
Thank you, Bagginsbill, for "going easy" on me -as far as the depth of your discussion in this thread. Obviously you are  extremely intelligent in this area.
......Sometimes when you are really cutting loose in these threads and breaking down stuff, it makes my brains hurt to read it. I become quite full of fear, or fright, or what have you.
Its like you are bringing people to such a micro level of enlightenment, that we are approaching possibly causing a tear in the fabric of the space-time continuim, or maybe opening up a crazy black hole, or forming anti-matter  or some such.

For now, I will stick with " BLACK  is "nuetral"   AND as black becomes lighter, you get further displacement "  That is what I'm going with  as I look into this further. Some day I will be able to have discussion on a much higher level with you peoples here at Rendo.

Thanks!

Thanks svdl 
I will start looking into displacememnt settings.

Yes  I agree, grayscaling the skin text map in hopes of creating a bump map is in many cases going to give you the reverse of the desired affect -

I should point out that my only reason for doing that was to provide something for the plain skin area of the figure around the nipple while I was experimenting on the nipple - and then my question arose when I saw the results - God knows WHAT I was going to do at a later point when I needed a real bump map for the whole body.

BTW earlier I had created a hand-made bump map for JUST the nipple, and because G2 figures have one giant text map for the whole bady, I made this "nipple only"  bump map  as a transparent background tif , transparency for all of the body except the nipple,so that hopefully only the nipple would be affected., i.e. the rest of the body should recieve no info from the image,  and Poser did appear to in fact considerthe transparency as a nuetral gray- if you can believe the preview window. ( I still had the same ungly black patches)

AS U CAN SEE i know NOTHING about rendering.

I will work more on paying attention to displacement

Thanks for the advice. I have much fiddlin' to do.

'bout time you showed up, Geep.

;-)

awesome !
Thanks  I am just getting now into adv render settings.
Thanks for speeding me along.
BTW  I am not on my Poser machine right now, I'm at work  >-(
Do you happen to recall what is the default comand that Poser is following if you do not set those values?
Is it a default number that it tiles to?  or is it sorta like  " do not tile at all"

Thanks again

Greywolf  ouch!  you are admonishing me !   

;-)

I think I get your point -

there are a lot of sexy shoes here in free stuff- but they are for Aiko and Vicky - but I should maybe not be so lazy  and I can probably tweak them for Sydney.

for instance

http://www.nerd3d.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=88

Thanks guys..... nyguy I will go check yur site now.

So what are you not able to download?

the program itself?

did you buy Poser Pro and just not download it  yet?

or are you saying that, after install, P Pro has continuous updates that can be downloaded , and they have ended your updates window.

cuz if it is the second thing,  that is BULLSH***T

If it is the first thing, I can kinda see them not keeping it there for you forever.

Thanks -
yes I am using a color completely different than background layer.

I have to go mess around some more.