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Err... I'm with you Dialyn. It may be just me being dense but I don't see the purpose of it at all... There's a pic and 2 commercials (nice idea btw, I hope to see one of my things if I reload enough times ;o) ) but what's the point in that page? Also there are some links to various places. Who chose exactely THOSE links? I can see that there are other communities as well as some "private" pages, like Schlabber's site, or SAMS3D. While it is all great places I can't help but wonder why THEY are there and not, for instance, mine. Call it vanity, but still my site is 100% poser oriented :o) As far as I can see, there's nothing at this new community page that couldn't have been placed in either the Poser Backroom or at the top of the Poser forum. So... I'm sure I'm missing the point here.... Will someone point me to it? :o)

so much for nudity warnings, eh :) I checked it out, and whammo...size 50 breasts... Anyway, first time I've noticed the "communities"..looks like a good idea, at least all the stuff pertaining to Poser, or whichever community you're in, are right there to click on...not sure its needed, however. Didn't notice the sidebar...the pulldown menu thingy is just so easy not to see, or pay attention to... The only one I even look at is the FORUMS one..and sometimes TOPIC..to see what new products are coming. This community thing looks to be just a rehash of what is already available....unless they remove features from the main page.

AAaaah I seeeee... There are little bitty links at the top that takes you to other poser specific places :o) Now that's a nice idea... A pity they so disappear up there among the other "top bar clutter"

And yes, Dave-So... Of the 4 pictures I've seen so far, 3 of them had size XXXL boobs. Now I KNOW I could check the Nudity filter here while I'm at work, but it is rarely necessary as I don't browse galleries @ work (Shhh and don't tell my boss I'm reading the forums either, he thinks I'm busy typing something er.. work-like ;o) ) Ah but at least I have now, long at last, seen some of the Top 20 pictures. I've never been able to actually find them before G. Seems indeed that tits=hits....

Those bars are also on top of this page :) I didn't see them until I saw them in the communities section..so the comm. did have a purpose :)

What bars? There are none in the Poser Forum as far as I can see... I'm not talking about the usual "galleries - tutorials - ect" links, but the ones in a table that takes you to not just the Free Stuff but to the POSER section of Free Stuff :o)

what's interesting to me, but a bit off the topic here, is that I've been trying to create scenes with "real people"...old folks, etc.... I'm in the wrong place, obviously, for work like that :) Need those size 50s and stillettos...I suppose grandma could show some boob and maybe a little leg..just to spice things up a bit...hmmmmmmmm....now that would be interesting

ah...the bar is not here now :) I must be having a gui issue with Internet Explorer.... changed from forum to community couple of times...and the bar was above... now it isn't

I haven't even really look at all the changes. But I'm in the top 20 with an Angel preTeen-no boobs showing. Had two others make it to top 20 and they were quite flat chested. Also I see a couple other fairys make it in the top 20. So I think maybe we'll see improvement on this. I feel honored that people took the time to vote for me.

font size = "4" ??? Web designers should use RELATIVE font sizes, not absolute sizes. The community text is quite small on my Mac.

I don't think it is just a matter of flat chested versus watermelons...it's just a lack of variety in subject matter. The majority are pinups, plain and simple. Whether it is an interest in child females, fairy females, or Playboy females, it all turns out to be pretty much the same picture with different textures. Women stretched out in uncomfortable poses in tacky outfits. Yawn. If you feel honored, more power to you. I don't post or vote in the Poser gallery so I've no vested interested in who gets to be pinup of the day. With a couple of nice exceptions, it's all the same bland pudding to me. But that's not really what I was asking about. It's the new community thing. I'm guessing it might be a place for Poser related notices on the community page. This is the first day of it, so I wouldn't expect everything to be unveiled at once. Just wanted to see what people's impressions are outside of the usual Hot 20 debate.

It looks to me more of a welcome-newcomers convenience feature. Introduces and collects some stuff for newbies that they'd otherwise founder around a while before finding. Nice idea. Every new feature can't be oriented towards longtime members. Some of the stuff there I didn't stumble across until I'd been an occasional visitor here for some months.

"It looks to me more of a welcome-newcomers convenience feature. Introduces and collects some stuff for newbies that they'd otherwise founder around a while before finding." So maybe the pulldown should be labeled "Boobies for Noobies" instead of "Communities".

Ockham wrote: >>So maybe the pulldown should be labeled >>"Boobies for Noobies" instead of "Communities". Well, it certainly gives us a place where we can send our friends who want to know what Poser is all about. And the boys of all ages who come here because they heard it was a T&A fest don't have to waste any time reading or anything.... Personally, I think R'osity should open a special gallery, called something like "Milk Dreams," for the mammary fantasy crowd. M

Who needs it? Just one more thing to clutter up my life if I let it. Besides, I don't WANT to go to just the poser, or just the vue or just the (insert community name here) section of the freestuff - which is why I always click "All" when I visit the freestuff "what's new". Ditto the marketplace. Sheesh. Kate (who never bothers with the community calendar either and doesn't even look at the galleries)

You mean there are links other than the poser forum and lightwave forum? hahaha. I've only explored about 10% of renderosity cause I seem to have a hard time getting back to somewhere that was interesting and eventually give up. and my background and text colors and that damn sidebar still suck.

urah pobeyda for Kate the Shrew..that's the spirit..and I thought I was the only one..;) Actually, I do peruse the galleries here at work, 'ceptin' Poser, 'cause of the 'parade of naughty bits' would get me pink-slipped post haste and post toasties..;) I see it as having the unfortunate side-effect of isolating folks using different packages even more than usual..I think there should be something at the site that unites us, rather than divides us..

Heh, yeah, yer right pakled, there IS too much division and isolation around here lately. I don't think it's an intentional thing tho. I have hidden all the forums that I have no interest in and those that do interest me I visit as my mood strikes. BUT, since I use more than one program in the creation of whatever it is I create with this stuff, I don't want to have to chase all over the place when looking for suitable goodies. Thus the "all" when visiting the freestuff and marketplace. Oh, and I stopped visiting the galleries because I just got too bored with seeing the same old stuff day in and day out and I don't have the time to dig through them to find the new and imaginative. :) Kate (who is practicing her grumpy old lady style these days)

Gosh...I really thought when I first saw this post that it was perhaps a place where things like, wishing our condolances to someone who may have lost a loved one, a place where one could donate money thru a special account for someone in the community who may be sick or out of work,a place where one person from the community might be able to help another in ways that are not directly related to our "images". Looks like I was mistaken. genny

Personally, and I have no vote so it doesn't matter, I don't see the point of sorting the communities by the same subject areas as the forums and galleries. It seems like a redundancy. But, as someone said, it may be helpful for new people and I have no problem with that. And there may be some new content planned for the communities that are software specific. Personally, I agree that the most interesting graphics are done with a combination of software rather than one specific package. I may hang out in the Poser forum the most, but I really admire what people are doing in Vue and Bryce galleries (and others) to take 3d graphics beyond the predictable and into something really original and striking. That's when I see someone with true artistry as opposed to someone just copying what everyone else is doing for the sake of hits. What really is depressing is that people who clearly have great technical talent have such limited imaginations. If I had their skill, I'd be doing better graphics than what I am. I'm limited by my abilities, which are extremely small, but why in the world would a person with all that skill do the same dreary graphic over and over and over again? I don't get it. But that's why I stay out of the Poser gallery. It's not the new people who are still learning and exploring the software that brings Poser down to a low level of accomplishment. It's the people who stay in their rut and never venture beyond what they have done a hundred times before. Oh well. There are some exceptions and those are the ones that are wonderful to discover. It's just they don't hit the Hot 20 very often and it is difficult to uncover them unless someone points them out. Wouldn't it be nice if the Poser community page highlighted really wonderful graphics instead of business as usual?

Genny...what a gentle and generous idea. I like that better yet!!!

"Wouldn't it be nice if the Poser community page highlighted really wonderful graphics ..." Cool idea dialyn. Maybe we could have a "Cool pics of the month/week/whatever" section on there. Whaddya think folks?

But who would pick it...and how???? I like the idea...but how do we break out of the most hits trap???

How about featuring the winner of the monthly challenge on the Community Page?

Hmm. On occasion Lyrra (at least I think it's Lyrra) does a "10 images you ought to see" list. We could put that up there. And if someone comes across an outstanding image, they can IM me and I'll put a link up no problem. Putting the challenge winner's image (maybe at a reduced size with a link to the full-sized ine) up is a great idea. I'll try to do that tonight. The communities idea is still new to us as well, and I see no problem in letting it develop just as you guys'n'gals want. It's there for you after all.

I didn't care about it one way or the other either, but I just clicked on it and then came back here and now the little box options are visible here with an option to turn it off. I also clicked on the community link and while there, refreshed the page a view times which makes all the images change. Cool! Sorry, I'm easily amused. LOL

Well, for me, recently a member who is also a regular contributer to the "Free-stuff" section, became ill. He posted, explaining that he may not be available for anything, due to his illness and his need for medication, which he did not have the money for. Someone mentioned that he had a "pay-pal" account and perhaps we could "donate" to that to help him out. Well.........I thought that was a terrific idea.......but there wasn't any more posts about that.........so........I did the next best thing and just bought something from his store. I just think, if there was someway, that "Renderostiy" could create a "Special" account for times like this.........it would be great. I personally, would be more then happy to "donate" if I had the opportunity to do so. Maybe........offer this option to everyone who is buying something from the "Marketplace". Say.......would you like to donate $1.00 or what-ever to the "Artist's In Need" fund or something to that effect? To me, that is the meaning of "Community" (: genny

Uhmmm, genny what are you talking about? Did I miss something (else)?

I think genny is talking about having a human touch to the community instead of us all obsessing about the latest texture or who's hot and who's not or if Daz has issued its latest fad of the moment. Behind each of our messages is a person...some people would like to connect with that person more than others. A community choses whether it wants to make that effort or not. I think genny's talking about providing support to members who may be in need with a donation or a purchase. That's my interpretation. May not be to everyone's taste, but I think her idea is heartfelt.

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The communities were created with new members in mind, but we want it to be useful to experienced members as well. It's a way to see everything in one particular area. Not all the communities are up yet, and Tommy is making some tweaks, so don't be surprised if you see a few differences over the next few days. I like the fact that you can use it but you aren't forced to use it. It's another way to view this site. Please feel free to post suggestions on what you'd like to see on the communities pages. It's new for us, too, so we're looking for ideas to make it as useful as possible for everyone. Cheers!

I like the idea of donations, and please son't get me wrong, becourse I really DO believe that_dodger is as ill as he said, but... Well, perhaps I have had one too many of the infamous Nigeria mails (or Iraqui or whatever)... I just can't help thinking that it would be easy prey for scupulous (sp) people that would exploit other people's good faith. Ah but then only give it to "known" members of the community? True, but when are you "known"? How many people should know you? I support the idea of buying something from _dodger's store and I sincerely hope that he would get the money in time. I just want to issue a (somewhat cynical) cautious warning. As I allways tell my daughter when she's chatting online: Remember you can't SEE the person at the other end. The "13 year old schoolgirl" may be a dirty old pedophile... Or someone else wanting to take advantage of you and your good faith.

that is the negative side of the net.... I could be a woman or even a horse or something...who really knows??? none of you guys, for sure :) I really like the idea of putting up some talented folks' work...in addtion to the Hot 20...suppose it would have to be poser work ??? also, in addtion to the list of links, how about random links to folks on the Renderosity /Web Ring...will give some others a chance to get noticed other than the usual suspects...

I agree, ernyonka1.......we could fall victim to this.......but....like I said....Dodger is a member, has been a member, and has contributed a lot, just as you have in the past. When someone like that, posts, that he is ill, I can't help but feel that I want to do something. Even if I don't like what he does or says, even if I don't download his stuff, even though everything.............there are people out there who do......so maybe if they just gave a $1.00 or two for the fund..........maybe....it could help someone out? BTW.........I LIKE ALL OF DODGER'S STUFF, so don't get me wrong, and I also LOVE all your stuff too! (: I am just saying........maybe.....the community forum could be for something more then just looking at the "boobies for the noobies"...........maybe........we could make something more "helpful" to those who may need it? Thank you all for your time.........but I work nights....and I am sorry.....but it is time for me to get to bed. (: genny

I'd vote for someone cleaning up the Renderosity Webring...there are some missing links out there. The front page contest area could use a tidy too. I agree with the donation thing..it would be open to mischief by the unscrupulous. I would be much more likely to give to a horse, by the way, than most people. ;) But I don't know that it would be such a bad thing to have a little personal note once in awhile... We have the website wide artist of the month and marketplace vendor of the month....what would you all think if, on the Poser forum page, a Poser community member that gives a bit about them. Would not have to be a Hot 20 artist or bestseller (preferably not, in fact), but someone who might have something interesting to say...advice on using Poser, a good website for galleries or tutorials or downloads, philosophy, or whatever? We must have someone here with something interesting to say. ;) The question is, do we have twelve someones (for a year) with some things interesting to say?

Doozy's right! Web designers SHOULD use relative font sizes, not absolute sizes. The community text is also very small on my Mac.

Hi One of the the things that annoyed me about the comunities idea was not necessarily the idea it ws the fact that it was another one of those darn pull downs. when we were told that the situation would be monitored for 2 months after a lot of people said they disliked them. then what do we get another one! it just seems to me that the designer is altering things not for any good reason but just because he can. As someone else said I think that there are other areas of the site which could actualy benefit from these not necessarily the places that they are used now. Forinstance the web ring or some of the marketplace/features. It just seems like a duplication of information to me fine why not put the comunities where the back rooms are? Then rename the forums (forae?) comunities? but take then out of the drop down so that they can be seen at a glance. Btw I do like the idea of the 'fund' but I can see the argument against . Dave

I think they're useful. I don't spend that much time in here, so they help me filter out links that I probably won't use - without making me customize my view. If I want to see the full range of offerings (because for some reason I've found the time), I can always find them in the standard view. I've always thought that users should be offered multiple ways to do the same thing, thus allowing them to find the method they feel most comfortable with. evr

We are hoping that the community peage evolves into soemthing that the communtiy actually likes and uses ..otherwise, what's the point you know? We have discussed making it two images and one product, and I've suggested the possibility that one image should be a random poser gallery pices ..not hot 20 or anything. And yes Kev, the "ten to see" are my twisted brainchild grin If people are interested I could start doing that on a weekly basis for just the poser gallery. There some great pieces in there, but I have to say, buried in a fair amount of novice level stuff. Unfortunately that will open me up to a fair amount of resentment and personal attack. As it stands I have been doing those threads on my own, as just a regular member. If it is officially supported that it is seen as an official opinion of the site .. which may do more harm than good. Likewise we've discussed the possibility of a 'critics corner' where pieces can be submitted by the artist, and discussed by one or more artists for a more artistic (rather than technical) critique. However, again that opens the critic(s) up for personal attack. But please remember, we do listen to the members and act on what we hear. So if you have suggestions for the communities, by all means! tell us :) Lyrra

Well, I love the ten list, Lyrra. Because you don't seem biased toward a specific style (pinups exclusively or fantasy exclusively or whatever). The top hit getters are always going to be nude women but focusing on that genre exclusively limits the potential of Poser. I'd love a list of ten "not to miss" graphics on the community page that wouldn't get lost in threads. The only small suggestion I'd make is that you allow people to suggest "hidden treasures" that they've uncovered. I know the original list was based on your random selection, but we might feel more included on the hunt if we could submit what we think is something special. Yes, I realize, that the people with the most friends can abuse that system too, but maybe people can think of a way to keep that from happening. I'm going nowhere near a critic's corner. I know that will just turn into a flame fest. I don't think enough people are trained to provide constructive criticism without yanking in their personal prejudices and their bias (if you don't have a nude woman in the picture, it can't be any good; if it doesn't have a vacuous woman staring in the sky, it can't be any good; if it doesn't have a Bible theme, it can't be any good; if it doesn't have a black on black background or white on white background, it can't be any good, etc.) And people who don't like other people for any reason will just use it to push their agenda. If this site grows up in its overall maturity level, fine. But we aren't there yet. One way idea I do have is if the criticism was focused on one theme. Let's say, comment on lighting or posing or postwork and make all comments relevant to that specific topic so that we all learn from the criticism rather than having it turn into a bash fest.

Yes, I know my examples were shallow and stereotypical, but that was on purpose. Let's say I hate fetish kind of graphics (which I do)...can I overcome my dislike of the subject matter in order to evaluate a graphic on the basis of lighting, posing, overall presentation, color, etc.? Someone trained in constructive criticism theoretically can. Someone who has a personal agenda for or against the subject matter can't. So people who love lthat kind of graphic will say, "it's wonderful, it's great, never saw such a fantastic image." And people who don't, will say, "it's awful, it's unoriginal, it's pathetic." The point being, I think we do have people here who do reach past their personal biases for fantasy, sci fi, pinups, etc. in order to give useful feedback, but I honestly think we have many more that (like me) can't get beyond the subject matter. I wouldn't be a critic for that reason. I wouldn't put up my artwork for criticism for that reason. But that's just me and I know most people will disagree.

I think I tend to agree more with the original post. I am pretty much a newcomer here, so I have no clue as to all the embroiled competitions or opinins amongst this community as yet, and I guess I really don't care much. I'm just here for fun, and to ME, the communities, while it seems like a good idea on the surface, just seem to be a recap of information already available in one way or another on the site. Perhaps it is an attempt to reorganize that information in a more cohesive way for newcomers, and I think in a small way, it has succeeded. It does feel very....cluttered...though. Honestly, I haven't used the communities very much.

I thought that was what this place was for... Not much there at the mo' one link to Dr Geep's V worthy "where do poser files go" thread, two market place products, and a full frontal shot from the hot 20. Kind of 'rosity in minature really :P later jb

Bear with us :) I'm having trouble with the way that my html is reformatted by the system when I change the community page. It should be fixed by tomorrow or Friday, so by the weekend there should be a lot more there. Kev.