Actually the bit about kittens isn't true, so don't post your congratulations. You would have to make your congratulations in Poser if you did want to, anyway.

LOL! Have things gotten this bad here? I try to visit as much as I can, read all the posts that I possibly can, but when you work at a place that does not have internet access, I don't have as much time as I would like to peruse all the posts. Did I miss something? Congrats on the kittens, even if they don't exist! LOL!

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Thanks, Jackson.......on my way now. (:

... flag for my pic. ;=[

Merely on general principles, this thread really should be moved somewhere.

I'm just not sure where.

lol too cute!!

hmm..'nuff said..;) Of course, there's also the One Topic forum..;)

Why do the dots on her head keep blinking on and off? In real life, most people's head-dots never blink at all!

That's very unrealistic, if you ask me.

It just those "blinkin" #$^%^%#$# dots doin' their "thing" ... again. ;=]

No, actually -- she has a severe infestation of head-lice.

Most people's dots will only blink in a random pattern, anyway.

Ockham, Spike forgot to tell you - flashing gang signs in the Poser forum is also illegal!

This is really a load. ITS A 3D APPLICATION FORUM! Not a political debate forum. What part of this don't you understand. Why get so uptight about some TOS? Is your life really so dull and boring that the poser forum is the hilight of your day? What's so hard about staying on a poser topic and not posting junk? What the hell are you trying to prove other than you have nothing better to do than to get all upset about a 3d application forum. And what is it with people always thinking that everyone is a Nazi. Like renderosity is really some huge conspirocy out to rule the world or something. Nazi is so worn out calling a Hitler a Nazi is a waste of time. Also read the constitution for once in your life. http://www.law.emory.edu/FEDERAL/usconst.html "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Freedom of speech only concerns government intervention, not private property. That's CONGRESS, not a private group. Renderosity can do what they want. Its their property. Don't like it then there are other groups to debate off topics on.

Uh, oh.......

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Can hear the hoofbeats coming, can't we? Someone yet has explained to me why it is such a hardship to post OT items in the OT forum; community items in the Community Center. Is that really such a stretch that people feel so antagonistic about it? Let's get rid of the Poser forum and make it the Wild West forum since the cowboys and cowgirls want to spend all day beating up on each other and their horses instead of creating graphics or discussing techniques. And at least that way it would be a warning to artists to go elsewhere to actually learn something about Poser. And, heaven forbid ask anyone to act like a responsible adult and be remotely civilized acting toward another community member. No, that's considered brutality to the point of hyprbole. Lots of time spent talking about "my" rights, but not much on the rights of other people. What a crew. Dead horse walking.

"Let's get rid of the Poser forum ... "

Oh NOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo................. ;=[

You kain't do dat ...

I jus started repostin' all my tuts.

Please Moe, say it ain't so.

;=?

Dear Dr. Geep, I really wouldn't want that. I'm just so tired of the gossip and the attacks and the inuendos and people importing bile from other sites, and playing stupid jokes on each other. Dear Dr. Geep, I am so sad. If you ever leave again, I'll be right behind you. They won't miss me, I know. They will all be relieved that I'm gone and in a second, will have forgotten I existed. And that's okay for me...that's not what I was about. But I will remember a time when I could come here and get some advice and some encouragement, and I felt there was a reason to post graphics and try something new. When I could visit other sites and it was all good...I didn't have to watch where I stepped because people cared about other people. Some days it feels as if has all gone away. Dear Dr. Geep, tell me something to give some hope.

ockham, That is a great use of hand motion. How many frames did it take to do it?

Dearest dialyn, Ok, try this ... If you stay, you can contribute (in whatever small or large) way to make this place better. If you leave, you will diminish this place by some degree ... ... unless you were one of the trouble makers. I'm stayin' ... as long as the Good Lord allows me to. (and ifn I don't pi$$ off the Mods by using bad language) (Oops, maybe I just did that ... oh well, they won't find it cuz I used th "$" 'stead of the "s" character (ha ha). Ok? cheers, dr geep ;=] P.S. You can't leave ... I love your name!

Besides ... you know you'll miss NaySayGuy. Right? ;=?

LOL @ Kendra!!! "Someone yet has explained to me why it is such a hardship to post OT items in the OT forum; community items in the Community Center" It isn't a "hardship" per se. But, IMO, if you're excited about something, such as new kittens, and want your friends to see the announcement, you post where you see your friends everyday. For most people, that's the Poser forum. Likewise if you had a sad announcement and will be gone for a while...you post where you usually hang out. Same with items of importance like virus warnings and security leaks. Post elsewhere and most of the people you want to see it might not see it. That's how I see it anyway.

First to Jackson, so the rest can be ignored....I don't altogether disagree with you, but I think getting out of this forum with certain topics would be a healthy evolution. A new person would be hard pressed to figure out where the Poser information is hidden when there is so much bickering going on. There are other stages for that. I am suggesting we use them.

The rest is for Dr Geep ....

Of course you know I have such a crush on naysay guy. ;)

Of course it could be argued that I am one of the troublemakers, but that was never my intent. And if I've made things worse by being here, I guess that's something I have to live with. If I thought things would get better by my leaving, I would, you know. Without heisitation. I never stay if I think things would improve by my going.

But I won't be bullied and chased out either. When I go, it will be because that's my choice, not because someone ran me off.

So when I leave a thread, as I am leaving this one, it is because I have nothing more useful to say, no hope that it would make any difference, but it's my choice and mine alone.

Thank you, Dr. Geep. Hugs to you. You're the best.

Oh that is great fur postwork on that kitty. And a funny image. ;) Look at other forums here on 'rosity. Take Bryce or Vue. They have OT stuff in there- they're like great family groups- and there aren't any issues. Usually. Siblings will squabble. :D There are plenty of folks who just visit the forum related to their software and don't go out to the OT etc, so when they want to share something they go to where their friends are. People care about other people. Just some people like Disney 24/7 and others want 'the real world'- to be treated like adults, not have folks telling 'em how to behave and others running off to tattle when there are simple solutions like just not reading OT posts or skipping anything with a nudity tag or violence tag...

Hmmm. In that case, you should show the club with more motion. It looks like he's being tickled with it, not hit. ;-)

It's always a great thread when the default guy makes a cameo appearance. Nice, Phantast! Sorry, my reply doesn't add or subtract to the topic at hand. Moving along...

"And, heaven forbid ask anyone to act like a responsible adult and be remotely civilized acting toward another community member." raises eyebrow

dailyn, ya can't go..who'd keep the Writer's Forum going?..;) btw..I thought the word 'nazi' was an automatic lock..the end of the flame, the ultimate..whatever..;) at least we don't have to use signal flags and esperanto..;)

Y'know, they maybe be sorta off topic, but the cat butt pic, the beating a dead horse, and that girl with the hypno hands (spooky!) are great stress reliefs after wrestling with poser and lightwave all day. Best thing is, I think I've finally beaten them into submission! Until tommorrow, that is....

I really love the sequencing of the Poser horse animation done in Poser. How did you set the framerate on that? Did you find a special hotkey we don't know about? If so please tell. I love the bubble and would love to know where you can get it so long as it isn't for sale which wouldn't be allowed. Regards, Anton PS: lol If every single OT thing is prohibited do you realize how fast this foum would wither. Doesn't anybody else notice how thin it is lately as it is. I say create a special forum for the topic police to use and leave this one as it always has for the other 97% percent of us. :)

I love the bacround color on the cat image. PS: Can we have "OT Day" like casual Friday? That way there is actually something fun to read once a week. :) I just saw some great bird pics. I'm off to find the "bird pic" forum. hehehe

A new person would be hard pressed to figure out where the Poser information is hidden when there is so much bickering going on.

I'm fairly certain that anyone with an IQ slightly higher than a turnip can figure out what it related to Poser and what is OT (usually just from the post title, but even then from what I have seen here people are fairly good about marking OT as OT).

A lot of people do not visit the OT forum (I do not unless something gets moved). When someone wants their friends/colleagues to see something they will likely post where those people hang out.

Pretty soon we will be seeing "Please go see my OT post in the OT forum" so people can let the people they want to see their post know where they posted it.

Why is it any harder to skip on by OT than it is to skip by the Poser 5 stuff when you only have Poser 4. Not every thread is going to be of interest to every person reading the board period.

What is so hard about just skipping things that don't interest you (you being general here not directing this at any one person).

The beating-of-a-dead-horse animation is made by a poorly talented Poser enthusiast with almost no knowledge of animation and entirely too much time on her hands. Any questions or concerns regarding it should be directed to my sock drawer, it has better understanding of its creation than the actual creator

Umm... my 2.

Each day there are almost 100 new posts to the Poser forum alone. And dozens more in all the other forums are added too. I would LOVE to read them all, but there are only so many hours in a day, so I must limit to those forums that I can actually check/plow-through/read. The Poser forum is one of two forums that I can reasonably get through (sometimes).

But if you're away for a few days, there are hundreds! And often I just click "Mark All Read" because there are just too many. Let alone all the other forums on all the other Poser-related sites. My head hurts from the sheer volume of it.

So it may not be reasonable/feasable to expect everybody to check/read ALL the other forums. Its impossible for me.

Anyone else feel the same, or am I alone on this?

I really only see one new page of threads in the Poser Forum each day. Most of the other forums have a new page filled every 2 to 3 days if that. But then again, this is the only forum I check.

Let's get rid of the Poser forum and make it the Wild West forum since the cowboys and cowgirls want to spend all day beating up on each other and their horses instead of creating graphics or discussing techniques. Maybe we could get rid of the Poser forum and make a "Satirical Passive Aggressive" forum where people can post totally off-topic threads that make fun of posts other people have made? And there could also be a "Whiners and Nipickers" forum and maybe a "Sarcastic Smartalecs" forum (that's where I'd be, naturally). ;-) bonni

lhiannan, your sock drawer is very talented. Please pass on my compliments. :) I always thought that art was about human beings communicating with one another. If you try to restrict that communication to "just" art, and omit all the other human transactions, it all gets self-referential and boring very quickly. I was once a member of Another Forum that probably still can't be named here. It was once a major force in the Poser community. One day, the owners decided to clear out the threads that were "just" people having fun; from now on, all posts would be relevant only to the production of Great Art. Result? Members left that forum in large numbers, and it is now dead. My point? Who is to say what is on topic and what is off topic in an art forum? This off-topic post has already produced several entertaining pictures. It is acting as inspiration to artists, just as an art forum should. So maybe it isn't off topic at all. I'm going for a lie down now. Feel dizzy. :-o

I run a message board (on a topic unrelated to Poser). People complained about too many OT posts, and the bandwidth was getting out of hand, so I created an OT section and asked people to use it. They didn't, so I started quickly deleting OT posts, or moving them to the OT section, depending on how much interest there was in the topic. The good news was, it worked. People got the message, without getting upset. The bad news is, now they tend to hang out in the OT section all the time, posting even on-topic messages in the OT section. :-/

"The bad news is, now they tend to hang out in the OT section all the time, posting even on-topic messages in the OT section. :-/" And you're surprised? That's what a community does. It gathers itself together and discusses/debates EVERYTHING that its members find interesting regardless of whether or not it's supposed to be discussed. Your cat had kittens? Well, go tell your friends. Post pictures. Let the others post pictures of their cats, dogs, parakeets, whatever. It helps to forge the bond that keeps things on an even keel. This off topic sharing is the glue that holds a group of people together and makes them a community. Without the foray into the emotional/personal aspects of members' lives, all you have is a bunch of total strangers discussing methods and techniques and your "community" becomes nothing more than a technical manual and help desk. Can you say waaay boring? Kate

you're right, of course, kate....

perhaps it might help some of the mods, admins, and members to read up on knowledge management and find out what it is that makes a community work. #1 principle: shared interests; #2 (but equal) principle: bottom-up contribution.... communities of interest and practice self-select their leaders and rules. top-down destroys them. finally, all communities have life-cycles - starting, growing, declining, and disappearing on their own. the good news is that new communities spring up just as quickly. (nonaka, steward, prusak, denning, and snowden are pretty fair blokes with some good ideas in this area.)

it used to be a hallmark of this site - the spontaneous generation of communities and their freedom. i've been an admirer going on for a couple of years. i've gone so far as to use this site and its members as examples of virtual communities in presentations to my clients.

not anymore, though.... in need of control and in fear of "chaos," more top-down interventions have been applied. and that's an often-predictable shame. moreover, it probably is harmful to the commerical interests of the site....

"...in need of control and in fear of "chaos," more top-down interventions have been applied. and that's an often-predictable shame. moreover, it probably is harmful to the commerical interests of the site..." Yup. When you allow people to be themselves, you often get what appears to be chaos. But past experience has shown that if you leave things alone, the "flap of the day" tends to run its course and things calm down and get back to "normal" in fairly short order. Attempting to squelch normal human behavior and reactions just makes things worse, extends the life of the upheaval and generally makes a mess of things.

Excellent technical example of a hand texture, Pengy. And yet, I somehow see the image as artistic and expressive.

Bah. Probably just in my head.

It speaks to me... of the nobility of manual labour, of the rejection of bourgeois values, of the struggle to overthrow the oppressor; and, yes, of the one-ness at the heart of the human individual. A seminal work of power, grace and beauty with a resounding message for us all. I give it 11 out of 10.

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