Can someone tell me Rosity's offical birth date? Also, how can a member find out what date s/he joined? Thanks in advance.

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(Bookmarked) This could get interesting. Tom

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Thanks cooler, I'll try IMing audre when s/he is on. Tammy, it says, "Community name changed to Renderosity October 1999." What was it before that? And would it still have been considered Renderosity? Hawk, why would it get interesting?

Jackson, look at the line right underneath Community name changed to Renderosity and it tells you ;) And there is a big messy history there. I don't know when my first login was but I found Renderosity after the name change and before the store I think.

Ah, so Rosity was originally "Poserforum" and it started in December of 1998?

Yeah, and there was a split in a way when Renderosity formed. The threads have disappeared along with C&D forum otherwise you could read about it if you wanted to. The other group is what you might have heard of as PFO with Willow and Grey. I wasn't here for it, but I've heard a lot about it since I became a member not to long after the "split."

hehehe....tammymc that answered is an admin :)

What, no baby pictures?

Ah, baby pictures! Yes, I do remember reading stuff about PFO and Willow. Don't remember much about it, though. Tammy, can you look up my start date? Thanks in advance.

Hi: Correct me if I am mistaken here...but was Renderosity not called "Poser Forum" at the initial onset...and eventually it evolved...?? Hey...maybe I am wrong...twas a long time ago now...LOL...lots of things I am not sure I remember right...lots of things I deliberatly forget...lots of things I remember and treasure......such is life in the virtual world of the naked online forums...;-) Cheers, Peter

Jackson - Dec 10th, 2000

Helps if I read stuff first...LOL...I just saw someone above already touched on this...please forgive my ignorance...;-)

I still want a picture of the actual server! Do you have the membership dates from when this was part of PFO? You don't need to look it up my start date, but I'm curious if you would know since I was here before the (banana) split.

first server was a cobalt box. little thing versus now. : ) This site was called poserforum from December 1998 to October 1999. Renderosity name was created by the members and we have had it since.

Going by the banners above I have been here since 2000. Although I do not remember JeffH's banner, was it short lived?

Renderosity was originally the Poser Forum Online as is mentioned above. Willow ran it until it grew to be a bit beyond her ken. By that time, the Bondware folks were hosting and had both the knowledge and expertise to take what was evolving into something big to the next level. In a rather messy divorce, an angry Willow stormed out and started her own site.

That's when this site really took off. The name Renderosity was the winning entry in a subscriber site-naming contest conceived by Jack Kammerer. I don't recall who the winner was but I do remember him/her being rather surprised...

Hey, this did get interesting. Thanks all for the "Rostiy Trivia." And thank you, Tammy, for my join date.

Fun with the Internet Archive Wayback Machine:

Renderosity: April 28th, 1999
Renderosity: November 27th, 1999
Renderosity: March 1st, 2000
Renderosity: July 11th, 2000
Renderosity: April 28th, 2001
Renderosity: January 24th, 2002
Renderosity: Today

It was born a small black child in the summer of 1998... And then it was kidnapped from the loving arms of it's parents, Ian Grey and Willow Dannan and raised by corporate labratory rats in the lairs of Bondware Inc... [Parental Quote: "What are we going to do tonight, Brain?" "Oh.. Same thing we do everynight Pinky." "Otay Brain - but this time YOU get to put the leiderhosen on the rhinocerous"] Where, after many years and numerous retroactive abortions, it became the shopping mall we all know and love today... joined in it's struggles to maturity along the way by multiple net wierdos. Not, however, before it swam upstream and spawned multiple offshoots including at least two small rebel outposts secretly planning it's destruction. Leaving us with it as it stands today: Renderosity - one foot in the future, one foot in the past, and a couple of onlookers throwing banana peels. ;]

NARF

Hi: Okay, going out on a limb here; I am not here to piss anyone off; not here to rock any boats, but this thread being here and all; brought back some recollections,...some not so good...some very nice...I will attempt to concentrate on the "nice"...because all those others really are inconsequencial...really...;-) It is obvious there are loads of folks that don't know the past herabouts, perhaps tis a good thing, it leaves room for as much "mystery" as it does for "contraversy", and both these elements make any setting a more "exciting" escapade..and in this case..an ever thriving community ;-) I joined tis place then called PoserForum probably around 1998...(or was it 1999),...not really certain now...I know it was June...I can still recall only because I remember posting my first "bad"...poorly done images on around a June 24...amazing how far we come along with these programs, but all there was back then, (when we talk about Poser), was Poser 3...hehe..and hey, it pretty well started up all this fascination...I think Poser 3 happened to nourish very much "growth" in digital interest...really...I can still remember the euphoria hereabouts at the initial onset of Poser 4...the excitement was much as it is now with the knowledge of Poser 5 not all that "hopefully" far around the timely bend... I didn't know much about this place back then...but something happened....something I would eventually find out much more about at a later time when I too would become a part of this "thriving" community at a much later time...but an internal part...where one can not only see...but "feel" the pulsating of sheer augmentation of this membership base... When I first joined...this place was very interesting...very compelling but still quite small...a silent war broke out that escalated...I knew not much about it then...but "most" people did manage to split away...someone above mentions that Renderosity/PoserForum really began to grow after this split...not at all..I beg to differ...if anything, Renderosity/PoserForum may well have been in its' death throws...the place seemed very placid...quiet...one could almost hear the internet wind breeze through the forum corridors upon browsing here...many fine people were very much confused back then because they were indeed torn between two forums...one seemed to have personality...the other seemed to have user friendliness and familiarity...I can still recall some extremely loooooong threads here that were rather contraversal which I will not go into now..."inconsequencial"...history best left as silent history...time passed...something happened...new faces appeared...and I think most members, especially the older ones like me, do know what happened... Jack and Ed and company...as much as they're riegn here, (if one actually would use that term because it really is NOT correct),....as much as there is contraversy far too many times regarding this forum era...both negative and positive...I will tell you something that is TRUE...and positive...this forum...this place called Renderosity...although it was always a "forum"...it was NEVER a "community" until this particular "legacy" traversed... Many people relate Jack and Ed and company with much...like the onset of commercialism...the C&D shinanegans...Renderotica...countless other twas tis and that's....so??...as much as there may have been many of these..."THESE" were as much as what MADE this place not just "thrive"...but "THRIVE"...grow...they were able to plant a seed that was pure magic...like a giant beanstalk it flourished...hey..I know..I was a part of that, and hey...I happen to be PROUD...so...sue me ;-) This beanstalk may well have also found a great giant at the top that needed to be pacified...call him part of that "growing pains" that goes with all things that flourish uncontrollably...but...hey...you know what??...it also found the goose that layed a golden egg...and it keeps on laying...and laying and laying...it also found something else...the meaning of "community family"...which has not only floursished here but spawned others also, like 3D Commune...etc...the mere inklings of "just forums"...which there are still many, many of on the big naked net...became much...much MORE...they became a "substance and value" we all enjoy being a part of...or we would not be a part of these "communities"...or not nearly so MUCH a part... Not so bad....when you put it all in a nutshell...;-) I think this is where I will stop...hey...told ya it wasn't gonna be bad...I am not here to rock no boat...just a gentle reminder....a "touch base" kinda deal... Cheers all! Peter

Poit!

What started the war? Who started it? And what was it over? And if Willow ran this place, why was she the one who left? Why didn't the other faction leave? And IB, it's kind of hard to tell from your post, but I take it you don't approve of what happened?

The first link Little Dragon posted led to a page with articles that might have answered some of my questions. But when I clicked on the articles' links I got and "update your links" message. But from that page it appears Willow and Ian were still here when the place was called Renderosity.

What started the "war", and who, what, where and why....these things really are "inconsequencial" Jackson...what really does matter more than anything is where these communities are now and where they go from here... For a looooong, long time and especially upon this place, there was a hell of a lot of fallouts from many, many things...ill feelings, animosities, spites, guilts, finger pointing, blaming, feudal competition, analyzing to the point where there just is no more purpose to anything regarding any of this but to deny moving forward....you know where all this gets you...???....NOWHERE!! All it does is hold you back....and cause distent...and divide community spirits that need to thrive on all the enormous potentials and credibilties rather than constant closet skeletons that only irritate with their obstrusive rattling....HISTORY and what contraversies, sacrifices, wars, whatever you may call them, they all become "growing pains"....these are signifigant in their own way for they did much to erect these places and solidify the foundations...however...does one wish to forever wander within the thoughts of our puberties when we have hopefully come far past this and realize a maturity level that will now allow us to "get on with things" rather than look for reasons to constantly hinder... Perhaps some day someone should write a historical analogy....but...first...we would have to make sure that if this was ever done...it is done with sincere respect and value regarding all...personally...I wonder if this is even a possibility... Be well.

Sorry, but it's not inconsequential to those interested in Rostiy's history...those who weren't here when it happened. Had you not been here, you might be just as interested. Knowledge of history is important if we don't want to be "doomed to repeat it." But I'll stop asking about it if it's going to cause ill feelings or rekindle old fueds. Thanks all for the answers.

Heh heh. I neither approve nor dissaprove of much here. I mostly watch and am generally always vastly entertained. ;] You could say this is my version of the daytime soap operas, only at night and online rather than on the tube. ;]

But the first little wriggling threadlet in the ovum of the Poser community (some would define this as the first moment of life ;-)) should be considered when that mysterious "poserdude" started the Poser mailing list at Metacreations to coordinate with the launch of Poser 3. That would put it's "inception" at June 25th or thereabouts, 1998.

"Poserdude?" So, what started as a mailing list grew into this humungous, living, breathing, ever-evolving lifeform known as Renderosity? The is very interesting! (and you're pretty entertaining yourself, IB.)

Uh....NO....that is NOT it....that was merely a very small spark... Yes...IB does seem to be quite entertaining himself these days...but then...he always was...(hehe)...Hiya..Bear! ;-) waving

...oh...incidently...Jackson....take a REAL good look at those archives posted here above...take a "close" look at the membership numbers...how many folks are "online"....see...maybe around 120 people's...tops...what do you see today...on average...hmmmm? Quite a big dif huh....how do you think it got that way...that's what you need to ask yourself...what made Renderosity JUMP so high as to go from hovering around a mere 100...to..."hundreds"....and then even into the "thousands"...um yes...there IS a difference...yup...uh-huh....

Thanks Jackson. It's particapatory TV. ;] Howdy Pinky, er... I mean, Howdy Rad. ;]

To sidestep a bit into a slightly more serious look at your question Jackson.... any answers you get on the past history, who did what, what happened and why, is going to be so subjective that it's almost meaningless. Everyone's memories of that stuff is going to be colored by their perceptions of it. You ask me, JeffH, Grey, Legume, Jack Kammerer, Tim, Draignwalk, Hawkfyre - anyone who lived through even part of all that history, and you'll get a dozen different interpretations, each from our own perspectives, and colored by our likes and dislikes and what we saw as important at the time. And... Each and evryone of those accounts will be RIGHT - from our memories of things. That's what makes it tough to answer. The only way to get a real appraisal of it is to go back and browse everything you can find and make up your own interpretations. And - thanks to the closing of C&D, and the removal of those archives, you no longer have those options. You an all the latecomers are just kind of screwed on that account - anyone can say any interpretation they want, and there's no objective store of posts and info you can browse and draw your own conclusions from. And hey - I'm just as biased as anyone else. My perceptions are just as colored by what I saw as important to concentrate on as say, Rad's are. THAT is where the note of dissaproval you sensed comes from. I have a innate distaste of rewriting history and purging records... no matter what the reasons or the end results. I figure if it can be posted, someone should deal with it being read. heh... don't get me started. Tim, tammy and I have already had waaaaaayyyyy too many discussions on the subject. grin I'm sure they don't want a reiteration any more than I want to do one. snicker Past is dead, bury it. Let the old wolves who remember it fight it or deal with it if we choose to. Or not, if we choose to let it go. For any that weren't dragged into it then, it's best to concentrate on now... and on making new history.

Funny haha..."pinky"??....oh...you mean that clone of clones that was cloned and re-cloned...and cloned again by so many that obviously took passion towards a clone that was meant to entertain the rowdies...yup....caught on didn't it...LOL... Yup bear...but somehow...the "radical" in me died...fizzled away...I like to think of it also as a "growing pain"...now it is just a humor point... Cheers to ya bear...

Double posted with bear....Jackson...much of what Ironbear says is true...and makes total sense....that is why if a book was ever written on the history...it could NEVER be done by only one...that would be so very unfair... But I do beg to differ on one aspect...the C&D...although there was incredible history there...on many things...I believe the C&D was more...or less...a "thrashing" ground...more like a scratching post...like when a baby screams and screams and screams...we all know there is a reason...but the "scream" itself is only a telltale sign...a part of the puzzle of why the baby is screaming... C&D was NOT the end all to be all...nope...nope...nope...but....it "was" indeed "entertaining" as "hell"....;-) Good day to ya's...

shrug I could disagree with you on that, but... no, on second thought I will disagree with you. I think the prespective of "thrashee" colors that perspective for you. ;] See... Now Jackson has no clue what we're discussing, and no way to double check on either of our assertions and make up his own mind. Or anyone else for that matter. Purging access to those archive is someone telling me what I should read and draw conclusions from, because in their opinions it might be "controversial", or it might be "unsettling" or any number of other interpretations. peh I can read, think and make up my own damned mind, thank yew verra much. Rther than have you, or anyone decide for me what I should be "protected" from because someone might find it offensive, I'd rather take my chances. And I'd rather live by the rule of thumb that if I don't want it possibly read, I don't fucking post it. People can take me on the basis of what I am, warts and all - they either like me because of or in spite of, and if not, well... that's their problem. I won't lose any sleep. ;]

Hmmm...well...recent events have made me realize your same merits you just stated Ironbear/Sherman....warts and all....no one is perfect...and we all learn from our mistakes. I happen to agree on some aspects here....sweeping something under a rug only makes folks curious as to what is under that rug...again...and again...and again...however...you yourself said also something else I happen to agree with wholeheartedly Sherman...."time to move on"...although the C&D would be a wonderful scripture of past melodrama that perhaps was the very "baby teeth" of this forum mouth...(and Mother's many times do save baby teeth)...it...is....time....to....move...forward... ;-)

Dragonwalk, I was finally able to get to those pages and did notice the numbers increasing. But I would just attribute that to normal growth. Are you saying there's another reason? And IB, yes, most history is written from different perspectives. That's why the student must read several sources on the topic to gain the best all-around knowledge and sift out the erroneous info from the probably-did-happen info. And a lot of history is painful. But, again, I'll stop asking since it is clear no one wants to talk about it. Thanks to all who responded.

Jackson....to answer you..."yes"... Cheers!

It was terrible. The bullets were flying, people were burned up in fiery seas of napalm, there were mad monkeys and weasels screwing in the trees like mad monkeys and weasels, RIGHT IN FRONT OF NUNS AND CHILDREN, Ironbear was running naked through Renderosity, screaming, a chainsaw in each hand, Jack and Ed were shooting lust-maddened monkeys and weasels out of the trees with machine guns, Radart was changing his nick every 30 seconds, Stormrage was looking real nice in her low-cut battle armor, Willow's still-living severed head was being used as a soccer ball/sex toy by enraged forum lizards, and all the while poor sweet gentle Dr.Legume was crying out, "PLEASE! EVERYONE! CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?", and then a horde of Vicki Valkyries flew down from the sky on magic pink Pegasuses (Pegasi?) and carried the valiant dead off to Virtual Valhalla, and the survivors all went down to the Quik-Stop and had cherry slushies. Did I miss anything?

Yeah, we agree on one thing anyway, kiddo. Time to move on. ;] Afterall... if the info's not on the "net, it becomes the "Disinformation Highway". Thanks Al. ;] Yeppers Doc. You left out "and outlaw Radio was blaring across the Rio Grande giving us play by plays". And you also left out that disturbing, disembodied SNICKER! that kept drifting across the battlefields at some points after I wandered in. grin You guys were the most fun I'd had in YEARS. Toss me a six-pack, someone. I'm heading off to make rude comments in warez request threads in poser forum. snicker

LOL...Legume...ya silly pink pony man you....you were not only THERE....you were one of the top brass banana's for quite some time...and you know it... ....all part of that "growing pains"...right big guy... wink Cheers!

You left out me watching from the back of my mighty centaur, tossing out an occasional lawn dart, till I slipped on the ice and broke my tail bone, which ED has never stopped laughing at.........

All tapestries need their contrasts. I am glad though that the history is still growing, pink ponies (erm pegasus), squirels and all!

Wow... what an interesting thread!! Talk about memories!!! One thing I really need to say here... Because of the past and our ability to remember it, to talk about it and share it we learn so much from it. We learn from mistakes we may've made and we grow because of them. We would not be able to plot our futures without having a past, a starting point in which to move from. This doesn't mean that one must always look back to see where they came from, for doing so will take you off course as you cross the sea of life. Looking back is only good if you want to see how far you've traveled since you started your trip and maybe reward yourself with a smile at the memory of the people that you met along the way. The one thing that Dragonwalk (thanks for the kind words Peter) missed was the fact that although Ed and I planted the seeds to help add to the growth of this site, we were no way able to do it without allot of help!! This site would not be where it is today without PoserOneList and the cough mysterious "poserdude". Nor without Grey and Willow who took it another step. Granted Ed and I did a bit ourselves, but let's not forget that we ALL had allot of help along the way, such as (and in no particular order): Tim Choate - Who hosted this site at his personal and company's expense. Roy Riggs - Who help coded this site day and night whenever something needed fixing or added. Steve Cooper - Who had to put up with me when he was @ MetaCreations and puts up with me even today! Dan, Chad and Chris - The guys who listened to my thoughts and still do! Ed Arseneault - My partner in crime and best friend who was able to find his love and future wife here on Renderosity! Colm, Traveler, Lobo, LordsWarrior, Tartan - The guys who originally got together with Ed and I and put up with all of my ridiculous ideas. DTHUREGRIF - Who, even to this day, helps keep me sane!! Legume - The SubGenius who had NO problem working in the sub levels of the whole damn trip!! JeffH, Kevin, Ken - The guys who weathered the storm and stuck around. RadArt, Pam, Stormrage, Ironbear, Lilwolf, Anton, Virus, Mehndi, Davo, Dendras, Mark and a whole slew of others - who came on board and worked their tails off!! Not all of the times were great. We've had our ups and our downs. Dreams torn and hopes shattered. Wins and losses. Friendships made and lost. I'd have never been able to get into the boat if not for these individuals and the rest of the Poser Community. How or why they are still in the boat with me or are no longer in the boat with me is not really important. What IS important to me is the time I got to (or continue to) share with these people. Yes, I look back now and then and think of the time that we've shared. Sometimes even doubted the reason for staying in this damn boat myself (chuckles blame Diane!!). But I would've never made it as far as I have if not for these individuals. Yes, this if not for these individuals this site wouldn't be where it is today. If not for them this site might not have a history for people to still be interested in. But that ISN'T what is important to me. What is important to me is I would not be half of the man that I am today if these individuals hadn't been in my life. Been there to believe in me, listen to me, offer me advice or friendship... or even forgiveness. No one person made this site what it is today, or what it will be tomorrow. It really doesn't matter how it got to where it is at. All that is important is the fact it would've never made it as far as it has if not for the friendship and love that went into and those involved it, and continues to do so, to make this site what it is today. That IS what is important. Jack

Hey Jack...after that nice addition I just had to take a moment out to say...incredibly wonderful addition Jack...well said...all around. Stay cool...old friend ;-)

(cough) Well damn Jack...Forgot about me. :) I actually hooked up with Willow back in the day when it was Poser only and helped her expand to include all MetaCreations products. This was back in late 98..I think. I got the Ray Dream Forum running for her. Ah well no big. Clint

CRAP!! Crap crap crap!! I am SO sorry Clint... sigh I really didn't mean to forget you in that list!! Please please forgive me!! I might as well also ask my wife's forgiveness too, because I forgot to mention that she went almost two years without seeing me leave the computer and listened to me complain on more than one occassion... sigh I am really, really sorry Clint!! Jack