I enjoy coming here and looking at the artwork. The forums are fine and downloads are great but artwork is where the true heart of renderosity is. People who want to limit the amount of art posted here because it covers up or buries their art are being selfish. Artwork does not have to be great to be appreciated. This is not the first time that artwork uploads have been limited. They were taken to 3 a day. If there is a reason, such as speeding up browsing or saving server space, for limiting the number of downloads further then by all means Im all for it. If however its just because some people feel like they should be in the spotlight longer then forget it. I just went to some of the galleries of people complaining here and let me tell you, youre stuff isnt all that great. Ive seen better stuff on post-it notes. So give the beginners and people who arent so good and people who dont have the latest software some slack. Im voting it doesnt matter. This is the best art site on the net and Ill come here no matter the number of post. If you want to flame my artwork over this feel free, I could use the comments. ;~)

Also, that's not to mention artists like HobbyHopper and others who do long storylines via images...that are kinda important to catch the images so that you can follow along.

As Mlevans said this community should be for the development of
artists, aside from the commercial aspect, which sadly has become
the focus of Renderosity, the fact remains that people only post in
order to seek advice or compliment. To limit the more productive
members in any way is surely a negative move in what this site
stands for?? Isn't art about freedom of expression? If it becomes 7
posts a week then in my opinion it's game over and you will negate
the the essence. I personally dont post here anymore, but I know a
lot of people that do, and get a lot of enjoyment from it. On every
one of the images they have tens of comments...and
erm...methinks...say im wrong if you want but it seems people WANT
to see their work more than once a day!!!! This is just one more
sign of the decline of this community...things have changed and I
dont like it, someone has lost focus.:-

One a day or seven in a week what's the difference? Anyway one a day sounds fine to me 'cos I don't post that often especially not my doodles and I guess it means you would be more choosy in what you upload. :)

Why the hell would anyone need to post more than once a day or for that matter more thn 7 per week?! If you are doing that many renders (in the case of 3D artists) then they can't be all that great because you are just throwing stuff together. Personally I'm lucky to upload an image once once per month.

I just would like to second Marvin R saying: 'I enjoy coming here and looking at the artwork. '

I think that a change would be nice just so all the whining stops... SERIOUSLY. I never understood why so many people pitch an absolute fit about what others are posting. If you post an image, what the hell is the difference if after you post your work 3 artists post 1 image each... or 1 artist posts 3? Get over it, this is a community.

I really don't like restrictions on ART and artists. Artists tend to have creativity in cycles. Sometimes you have it other times it's not there. It is very easy to cruise through the galleries and skip the ones you don't like so I can't understand other artists voting for restrictions. As a new merchant i understand that seeing the characters, fashions and scenes in the gallery and seeing how other artists use them drive sales and creativity. The prolific artists will start posting in other galleries. I feel restricting uploads is a really good way to start driving sales out of Renderosity and into other sites.

One per day, TOPS. Three per week would be even better. I like to keep up with all galleries and it's practically impossible considering how many images are uploaded every day. Oh and how about hosting the Free Stuff thumbnails if this change reduces the bandwidth costs enough? :)

Personly I cant produce 7 decent images a week let alone 3 a day so I guess Im in some kind of minority lol. I do think that a large part of the problem is the blatent use of the galleries other than product showcase by merchants and their beta testers doing little more than throwing up 'out of the box' renders to advertise, this should be restricted to the showcase. My suggestion, no list of credits to choose from in the main galleries and no crediting 'COMMERCIAL' items in the main galleries, make this a product showcase option only.

Oh and just to be clear.. I'm not wanting to limit the amount of postings because I want to keep my own works visible for a longer time... BAH, that's just plain silly. I just like to be able to view what gets posted. Now if you're gone for a weekend there are so many new images posted in the meantime that it's practically impossible to go through them all anymore. And seriously, what's the point in posting three versions of one image with a slight change in camera angle or hair colours or something? I've seen those as well...

having just taken a look through the galleries and basically being taken aback by the amount of uninspiring derivative images posted there I think that a "one a week" would be a sensible limit. People seem to be rushing stuff onto the gallery calling it finished when even a six year old could see very obvious flaws. This ain't art no matter how you dress it up. the moderators need to clamp down on the lack of quality and delete stuff that is just not up to scratch. It can be done and it's done elsewhere. Being ruthless may upset a few people but it will make the majority work that little bit harder to post top quality stuff using the software they have in a creative and original way. no disrespect to the Poser crowd but there are only so many uninspiring ways to pose someone elses model without applying decent textures and trying to pass it off as artwork. I must be getting old but pre pubescant plastic porn does nothing for me - I'm old enough to know what a real woman looks like So one a week with the moderators taking a more active role in removing the rubbish gets my vote. Andy

I think one a day is nice as it allows a person to upload 7 images a week. BUT if people are allowed to post three per day then those who binge post can be more effective. On the other hand I rarely post.

Eowyn, I certainly wasnt talking about you! Limiting pictures because not everyone has time to look at them all is like saying, There is too much air because I dont have time to breathe it all. Or There are too many flowers because I dont have time to see or smell them all. Just because one individual cant look at all the postings doesnt mean someone doesnt look them at them. If you miss them because you dont have time to look at them or if you miss them because limits keep them from being posted you still miss them. True there are some postings that are the same picture only slightly changed, but really, that doesnt happen very often. Not compared to the amount of true artwork that gets posted.

Did I stick enough "thems" in there? haha ;~)

One a day sounds like a perfectly reasonable limit. A prolific portfolio could still be created within a few weeks even with this upload limitation implemented.

I 3rd gmaq and mlevans......hey how about starting a new r'osity? This place is wasting too much of my time....free textures, even how about better software for free from the huge mega corporations in the contests...contests by skill level and product level...with more incentives for the poor yet highly creative, talented among us??? :o)

Some artists can keep quality up easily enough to produce more, but this will force folks to figure out what their best artwork is. Also, (after 69 posts? fat chance of this being read), why not stop determining which software proggies made which images? I use Poser + Vue4 a LOT, but I have to pick one or the other. Most of the good stuff uses Poser + (something for scenery) + postwork, which means they can all qualify for Photoshop (or PSP, or GIMP) as well, and may even include homemade stuff built in Rhino, 3DS Max, etc etc. Maybe we can keep a purists' gallery where folks who use only one proggie with no postwork can put their stuff up, so as to judge the quality of that given proggie and the skill of the artist, but otherwise the distinction has been blurred beyond reckoning anymore. (Personally, I'd like to see the major category grouped by OS: Mac, Windows, Linux, Other... and the minor category still grouped by the topics they have now.. but that's just my $0.02 :) ) /P

One a day sounds reasonable to me. andy_k, forgive me but your suggestion that the moderators should, how did you put it, 'delete stuff that is just not up to scratch' (read: CENSOR) is quite possibly the silliest idea I have ever heard. While I am certain that the mods of this community are fine artists in their own right, who is to say that they can, or should, have the right to arbitrarily erase someone else's work? Simply having a top-level password to the site does NOT make them any better qualified than you or I to say what is good art and what is bad. My work is admittedly average at best, but I find great pleasure in sharing my modest attempts at artwork with those I like to consider peers. Your idea would transform Renderosity from the supportive community it is into nothing more than an elitist fine art museum. And then where would the beginners, like myself, find the support needed to improve?

How about 3 a week. Post all on the same day or spread them out. In many cases once a week may be even better. I just got back from a 10 day break... a lot of post in 10 days.

it's not about censorship it's about making sure the galleries don't end up so full and so busy that no one actually gets to look at them. The moderators should remove stuff that is posted as finished when it obviously isn't. the moderators should keep some sort of "quality control" sharing your work no matter how good or bad it is is one thing but try and work by the following maxim. if it's the best you can do and it's still not good enough then try a little harder. if it's not the best you can do then do it again. Work in pregress postings are one thing, but when there are many postings showing only insignificant changes you have to start questioning the logic behind posting them. When "finished work" that can best be described as mediocre receives saccharine comments and obvious flaws are overlooked without criticism you have to wonder why the galleries exist at all. Being supportive as you say is one thing but failing to criticise flawed work is as bad as posting it in the first place. what possible purpose is there in gently massaging other "artists" egos when they post second rate work? Sorry, but i'm not buying it. To call some sort of quality control a silly idea seems bizarre. It is done elsewhere on forums that are used and frequented by many many artists of all calibres and it works. but then again what do I know?

I think the '7 per week' is misleading. Just that this is the weekly limit. No where does it state you can't upload those 7 in one hit. Helen

My 2 cents. 1) Product Showcase Gallery: Unlimited. 2) All other galleries.. 1 per day, max. As a side note.. Do not try to make renderosity into something it is not. If you want to submit your artwork to sites that review each image for quality, then by all means, go to those sites and join those communities and submit your work there. New gallery limits would do two things. 1) Prevent new work from being immediately buried. 2) Potentially cause people who render 3-5 images per day to spend more than 2 minutes considering which one(s) to upload, rather than all of them. It's a GENTLE quality push, rather than an arbitrary "you suck, so I am pulling this" moderation. I myself spend about 2 weeks on each piece I create, so limits wouldn't affect me at all. =p In addition, just in case Tammy is still reading.. I would like to see a feature, similar to deviantart, where we could see which images had been added to favorites (rather than the hot 20) the most, what other images people who added items to favorites liked, etc.

Only one per gallery. New category for any nude work. Quality will be better. No nude in thumbnail. Can use word and leave it for viewer to open and see or not. shadow

I'm with umble. I couldn't vote because they still allow for too many uploads. One a day, or you might as well not change it. It's funny, I've been saying "one a day!" for ages and been shot down because of it, and at last people are saying the same thing.

Andy K - "the moderators need to clamp down on the lack of quality and delete stuff that is just not up to scratch" I'm sorry, I'm not the best on the market, never have been, never will be, but I bust my ass on what I do make and I don't want someone else pulling it down because it's not up to the bell curve of the masters like Blackhearted, SkoolDaze, Sinsister, or the other greats. Your "lack of quality" crack sincerely, 100% pisses me off. You're totally forgetting about the beginners and those who are trying to learn new things. God knows when I try to learn something new my stuff doesn't turn out like museum quality pieces. Not to mention ART IS SUBJECTIVE! If I post something I'm pleased with, it doesn't mean you will be. And if you're the mod and don't like what I've busted my ass on and am pleased with the results of and you decide to pull it cos it's not up to YOUR standards...biting tongue to rip asses on that I've been a loyal member of Renderosity for years, I've seen people come and go for this or that reason, yet I'm still here. I enjoy posting my work and getting feed back from the great artists here. I've made many friends, but just because one person can't make 2 good pictures a day and another can, is no reason to limit the number of images posted per member. Things get burried, but that's one of the reasons the favorite artists list was created. So people had notification of posts and have an easy way of accessing their personal galleries.

Doesn't 3 per day help the server or is it taxing it ? What is the rationale behind limiting it further? Is it to raise the standard and quality of work or is it a business decision? On my part, I run another community site and the voice of the community is very very important on the important issues like encouraging creativity and lowering the restrictions to things like art. I do, however, agree that if one does not look at the gallery for more than a day or so, great art just gets totally buried. But hey,.... that means that this site is popular and getting hot. It is an international community which is rapidly growing. Thank god it is not a site where you have to beg to get people to post images. Perhaps there are other ways around this ?

i'd like 1 per day-7 per week. i would even be good with 3 per week, as well. i think art is in the creating. for me...i try to make as much of a render as i can...textures, pose, props, etc...it takes me longer to make stuff to upload then perhaps 14 year old bobby dick weed...who opens his poser, cranks up BOOBS, and hits the render button. there are many divergent types, here....1 a day...7 a week is fair.

I agree with one a day. But from the poll 7 per week is the best.

yep - got to agree ART is subjective and that was never in doubt. However - 1, painting by numbers is not art so clicking a few buttons in whatever software to produce a mediocre image in my opinion is not art 2, subjective or not crap is crap no matter how you look at it unfinished poorly textured/lit images don't need a subjective opinion they need re rendering 3, quantity does not equal quality I'm not forgetting beginners and if you'd read and understood my previous posts on this thread you would have seen that. Constructive criticism from experienced artists helps beginners. Comments like "man thats great" when it obviously isn't helps nobody. Neither does not being able to see the work posted because thousands of other images have buried it. Imagine if one artist saw some of your work and made a comment that made you think "yep, thats what was missing from my work" how much help that would be? Now imagine if that same artist had started trawling through 100+ images posted in the last couple of hours and missed yours because they had run out of time/interest. which helps you most? Andy

I like the 7-per week. For me, I do not post images very often, but when I do it is usually 2 or 3 maybe, so the one a day would not work very good as I do not go online every single day. Of course the workaround would be to post 7 on the last day and 7 the next if you have alot to share. My .2 cents TMG

Whats interesting is that andy_k has no gallery to speak of yet feels compelled to criticize everyones art where he sees fit. Come on andy..be nice.:)

not enough choices in the poll. There are a few who are good enough to upload more than 3 on a given day. But there is no option to vote that way.

7 a week should be plenty - I'd like to keep the 3 per day because once in a while I like to post 2 or three images that go together - and should be viewed together. What I'd REALLY like to see is a KB size limit. For folks on dial-up - most of the images lately are just too big to look at. Thanks for asking.

To avoid a political pissing contest,I think restricting to 7 posts a week is garbage.... unless it IS a bandwidth issue. Then I'm supportive, the limit will not affect Me, I'm lucky if I post 3 Images a month.... let alone 3 in 1 day. But.... suppose a merchant has 3 sets hit the MP in one week, & they want to do multiple (more than 7) gallery promo renders.... that kinda screws the Merchant & Rosity... IMHO, I promo all My own products, & if I have to give it to other ppl to promo because of a u/l limit, that costs Me & Rosity $$$$. My Opinions on the Matter.......... Thomas

Alex_k,
Rosity is not like sites like Epilogue and CGTalk and other places that are strictly aimed at the most skilled artists. There is no law that artists here that want to post at those sites can't. It is aimed at people of all levels of the art and those who do it professionally and just as a hobby. It is a learning center for artists to develop their skills and I, personally, have learned so much in the time I've been here and learn more everyday. If every site took the tact that there should only be the highest quality images, there would be no site for people to get their feet wet. Rosity provides a valuable and unique service (filling a void) of joining new artists with masters to create a great environment that is both nurturing and for Rosity in many ways, very profitable. They didn't become the most visited graphic site on the net by censoring those images deemed unworthy. So if you want to just see your idea of high end art, there is plenty of sites out there to do so, but I think given the dynamics of Rosity, it would be a VERY SILLY idea to start arbitrarily deciding what is worthy of posting or not. Personally I also enjoy seeing the achievements of my fellow artists as they learn and am proud to see it in myself as well. Besides, one man's rubbish is another man's treasure.

my 2c on that note
ShadowWind

BTW, what you are missing is all the training that is going on in the forums as well that aren't seen in the gallery comments...

Frankly Andy, I could honestly care less about some yoyo trolling the galleries going "Hey that's nice" Granted quite a few of my comments are like that BUT they're from friends of mine who have seen the WIP's and gone "Hey, try this, that or the other thing...make this blue and that sky blue pink with orange stripes and purple polka dots" or whatever. (However they rarely get to see the final before it's posted cos I don't wanna overkill them on a piece) As for comments, I try my best to leave notes on ones I think could be better and how. and leave the person the option to IM me for further information on what I think. I've helped quite a few people better themselves. BUT I think limiting the galleries to one a day is stupid. On my days off I have nothing to do, I putz in poser...or when I have products coming out, I do renders out the wazoo showcasing them and post them all over (Here, 3DC, DeviantArt, my personal galleries, etc) There's not one site that I'm a member of that restricts to less than 3 images per day per user. (NOT per gallery) DeviantArt has NO limitations to posts. And sad to say, DevArt is a bigger community than Renderosity. (However their major pull is NOT 3D artwork.) The whole thing of it is, when I personally create a piece no matter if I did it in 20 minutes or 20 days, I want to be able to show it off, not wait days on end to be able to post again.

If you want to submit your artwork to sites that review each image for quality, then by all means, go to those sites and join those communities and submit your work there. oh, god...that is my dream...if ever i will get good enough. i'm trying to evolve, here....don't bury my pics with nekkid possettes in the temple (all the folks who got p3 on magazine covers...and, leave the material settings at black). this site wants to grow...so do i. not to sound selfish, but, 'lil henry's practice pictures...to show to his 8th grade classmates, fill up too much space, here. yes, indeed, there are some ...a few...who can upload more than one quality image a day. however, with 15, 16, hundred online at any given time...well, do the math. the very best poser artists get buried just as quickly as the newbies.

in my personal thoughts....everyone likes to show off new things that they learn or do....some of it might not be good and some might. If it is something that is not so good, there is hopes that there is someone with more experience in a certain area can help and give advice to make things better. I am still learning myself and count on the advice from others. Perhaps there can be a gallery added for each section, like a learning gallery to post such works, then keep the other galleries to just one or two posts a day. Just my personal thoughts.

I agree with shadowWind.If it's not broken why fix it,I have been a member here for over 3 years now and it's never been a problem before,Because A few start crying they don't look at my pic boohoo...Now we have to make a issue of it...:(

'... Some artists may leave Renderosity due to limiting the number of posts per day/week ... '

This should be seriously considered by the admins because the reverse is NOT true - we'll all still be here wading through the reams of new renders every day and will continue to do so if it didn't change :)

Would you consider 1 upload per day per gallery...Some people work in more than one medium. That way they could place an image in each (but limited to 3 total) gallery they frequent.

Well, I didn't really want to get into a debate, but what the hell... Andy, again I ask you, by whose standards is the art on Rosity to be judged? Yours? Mine? Some secret panel of art experts hidden away in the Bat Cave? '...if it's the best you can do and it's still not good enough then try a little harder. if it's not the best you can do then do it again.' Do you honestly live YOUR life that way? Geez, you must be a lot of fun at parties. ;)

Thank you Richabri " Some artists may leave Renderosity due to limiting the number of posts per day/week ... ' This should be seriously considered by the admins because the reverse is NOT true - we'll all still be here wading through the reams of new renders every day and will continue to do so if it didn't change :)" That is very well put! :) I am a stay at home mom and what I sell online is my Only income at all. Yes my hubby works but I do not take his money most of that goes to bills and what is left me and our kids are well taken care of. So what if I use some of my own stuff in my art, I use other peoples as well. And no I am Not one of the Great Arist here, but I am learning and by posting my art work here I have gained many many friends, had a lot of help met some people I know work with on stuff. Doing renders helps me in many ways and to be able to share it with others and get wow your image really met a lot to me or a message I love your work but have you thought about doing something this way or adding this to an image really helps me out and makes my day. And some days I can turn out a Lot of renders and to be able to share them with other people is what brought me to render in the 1st place Not the free stuff or the store. And for people like Turtle whom I love she does wonderful art and sometimes as a story to have to wait a long time to see what happens would just suck. She uploads more then one image a day msot of the time and I think all her work is top notch. Sorry if I am stepping on anyones toes but the art, the gallery and being able to post my own works and learn from others was the main reason why I joined Render. And if I feel I can not Freely do that anymore not sure what I will do, or if I will stay. If I decide to leave it loses money for Render cause I have a store here and worse they lose a member over something that in the past was never a problem. Thanks for your time, no daggers in my back please :P

sheesh..once a week? Ouch..baby, very ouch. Don't forget the International Association of Crap-Doodlers is also trying to learn. The folks here who are 'that good', didn't get there by magic..no matter what medium we started in, at one point we all sucked..;) I'm hardly a great artist (kinda hit or miss..mostly miss..;), but even I can pass along things once in a while. As for different galleries posting, I think that might lead to 'cheating'..Poser with a Bryce terrain, so post it in Bryce (I filter almost every thing through Bryce, tho as many as 4 programs can be involved..and still little postwork).
As for getting 'buried'..I can put almost anything in Hobbyist, and it will stay visible for weeks (though I'm sure they start to smell after awhile..;), Strata, Amapi, can be very slow turning over (heck, I almost saw Amapi empty once..;)
Maybe you could make a 'masters' gallery, where peer review would be a little more intense. Maybe even a competition to get in.
I stayed here, because no matter how bad my stuff was, noone told me to get lost, and a lot of folks have passed on some really useful tips that have made my worst a little bit better (reach 'round and pat yourselves on the back..;) I know that I will reach a plateau, and that's where I'll stay, but hey, I'm really here for the fun..would like it to stay that way..;)

I don't know how anyone can render three in one day. Buy the time I design/model/texture something for a render, which I try to have at least one item of mine in it, I'm looking at a few days. I also try not to use the same thing twice, except characters. I must give credit to those that can post 3 good renders in one day, but they are few. I don't like limits. If it is a bandwidth problem then I would say 1 a day for main gallery, or 1 a day in 3 categories, that would be 3 posts in a day. Leave the merchants/begginers/WIPs alone. I only post in 1 or 2 months and I don't worry about being burried. If you like it, fine, if you don't, fine, but don't delete it if it's not up to your standards. I'm on a dial-up, yes it's slow, but I prefer clear renders than pixelated, or renders you need a magnifying glass to see it. Yes I miss a lot of good renders, it's not hard to click on someone's name to see their full gallery.

You hit the nail on the head pakled. I assume most of us are here for the fun of it. It becomes less fun when we have to play this game of can I post or have I reached my weekly/daily quota. I doubt if the people who are complaining about not seeing all the images posted here would look at all of them no matter if there were 10 or 1000 posted in one day. In the case of 10 being posted, that sounds pretty boring to me. I still don't know why this is an issue. If you post an image to the galleries, some people will look at it and some won't. It doesn't matter how many were posted before or after it.

I'd like to know who appointed themselves such an art critic that they can say what is "crap" and what isn't. For each so-called "critic" that thinks his work is top notch just because he rendered it for 20 million hours and got the "right lighting" (said the photographer to the model), there is someone looking at that critic's work going "ehhh, it does nothing for me, delete it". "Elitist" (sp?) is the correct word for this kind of attitude. Makes me wonder if their child gave them a picture drawn from its heart, would that person say "go back and try harder"...all in all, people have different levels. My work is in the beginner status and yes I have "clicked" and used plugins to make some but guess what? It took thought on what elements to use, where to place those elements, and how much lighting to give them among other things. I am learning alot here through advice and what people say, not only to my work, but others too. And the ones I praise - I say what I mean...if it were meaningless then I'd give a high ranking to every single picture I look at....and sometimes I'll sit down in a day and look through hundreds. To sum it up - no one has "art critic" power, not even art critics. You know what you like, look at it...you know what you don't like, don't look. You want elitist, join that kind of site...and pray it doesn't rain. On the vote - if it's because of bandwidth, cool - I can do one a day or 7 a week and be quite happy with that.

Thus far, I have uploaded rarely (2 images so far), but I expect to be more prolific as I become satisfied with the medium and what I produce with it. That being said, it costs money to maintain data and serve it up. If you have a lot of data, it can cost a lot of money. I think it is fair to limit either the total number of images, or the size of the files uploaded. Limiting the file size is probably the best solution.