I want my account deleted!! You seem to find time to delete every message I've posted........just delete me. Won't delete me?? What do I have to do to get deleted for life......banning just wont do at this point......I want out of this hell hole. If some of you are shaking your head wondering what the fuck is wrong with this bitch........the mods have gone behind me for the last hour and a half ignoring my request to delete my account....yet they have time to delete selected messages. who the hell cares if you have 1 less surfer currently online....is this site so freakin hardup for members that you must keep us hostage?

Please stop spamming the forum, We are working on filling your request right now. Thanks Spike

I'll spare you my reply........please hurry

Know what Spike? There's a lot of us "OT Rejects" pissed about the removal of the forum who are still customers and members here. Do you really think harrassing our friend (Teri) is that good for business?

I'm removing Renderosity from my e-mails. I cant have this on my computer

It's already off my credit card.

Quit whining people. If you're so upset, just leave and be done with it.

They'll be back. They always leave in a huff like this, but they always come back again. The site has too much to offer for them to stay away for very long.

I don't think Spike's been 'harassing' Teri...he has responded a few times that they are working to fulfill her request.

No he has said before that it cannot be done - that you just become an inactive member, thus staying in the numbers.

"I don't think Spike's been 'harassing' Teri...he has responded a few times that they are working to fulfill her request." You haven't seen how many (harmless) posts have been deleted then. Teri was asking in a very civil way until they started deleting practically every one of her posts but not just canceling her membership.

They'll be back. They always leave in a huff like this, but they always come back again. The site has too much to offer for them to stay away for very long.<< Um I doubt it...digital-cheryle is the shit there for OT ...Im just here waiting for my account to be deleted.

They'll be back. They always leave in a huff like this, but they always come back again. The site has too much to offer for them to stay away for very long. Just keep telling yourself that. :- >

It's kinda difficult to erase all trace of someone at their request if they continue posting...

The site has too much to offer for them to stay away for very long. How many things here are exclusive to this site? A bit of merchandise maybe, but there are several competitive sites in that regard. Expertise in the forums? No monopoly on that either. Number of "active members?" Roughly half of those haven't been here in the last month, and of the ones who come often, how many actually participate in the forums and/or buy stuff? When you're looking through the forums, how many times do you see a name you haven't seen before?

I thought you could just delete your personal galleries etc
and Never visit the site again
put an email block on the rosity news letters etc.
and you're out.

I used to frequent a freelance illustrator site called theispot.com
but when i got more interested in 3D animation and post effects
i just stoppped logging in over there and for all practical purposes
Im out of there.

(in the interest of full dislosure I dont give a rats ass about this thread but i was very curious test the new "edit post" feature!! FINALLY!!! :-) )

Message edited on: 05/14/2004 09:12

"It's kinda difficult to erase all trace of someone at their request if they continue posting... " Hoping to be a voice of reason here, it seems to me that those who want to be deleted think that the admins aren't cooperating to keep the membership numbers high. But, based on the quote above, I think the trouble is that all of that person's messages in every thread have to be erased before they can be completely removed from the list of members here.

Err, sorry, no, I think I may have mislead you with that statement. I don't know the intricacies of the way the database is set up, but people I trust tell me that it's a 'non-trivial' problem to remove a member utterly and involves a lot of manual tweaking which is why it's taking some time. I just think that it can't be made any easier if new database links are appearing all the time with the ID of the member who wants to be removed.

I don't understand why Teri keeps posting. Apparently she just wants to draw attention to herself and pretend that she is more put upon than she really is. She is causing the problem herself by posting to mulitiple threads and starting new ones. If she wants to leave, then she should stop posting, go to the place that will make her happy, delete her Renderosity bookmark, and I am sure that her membership will disappear. It's all much ado about nothing.

You have a DB schema devised where it isn't trivial to delete by foreign key references? Assuming that members have a unique ID that is keyed onto other tables... But, of course, it's easy to try to second guess, so I'm sorry if I'm wide of the mark here. I think that folks were/are upset (myself included) by the (seemingly) arbitrary shutdown of OT. To a casual user it seems odd. I do think that if someone wants to be completely erased from the Rendo system, then it ought to be possible and I am sure that you would keep those requests filed. What's wrong with Teri wanting to be removed from this site? It seems fair enough - it's certainly crossed my mind a few times. (shrug)

I'm not so upset that I'm going to leave the site or boycott the marketplace, but I do miss the OT Forum already. It was a fun place to shoot the hay, share entertaining links, and yes, debate everything under the sun. I know that Spike has cited personal attacks, and I don't deny that there was too much of that, but again, disciplinary measures to deal with the small minority of hotheads are already in place. Punishing the many for the sins of the few is a sure-fire way to breed resentment. More to the point, it's apparent that many people, myself included, suspect that the real reason the forum was deleted is that the arguments about religion were offensive to the site owners and/or staff. Not a conspiracy theory, just IMO a realistic assessment of possibility. Spike's suggestion regarding potentially off-limits topics would seem to support this. Regardless of whether this is true or not, the main thing is that even the generally well-behaved among us were deprived of an attractive feature of this community. (You don't mind if I call it a community, do you?)

As I ranted at another site last night, some people who weren't regular partiticipants at the OT forum are attacking the regulars who are upset, and mischaracterizing the content and character of the discussions that occurred while the forum existed. If you're strictly speaking of the religion thing, you have my agreement to some extent. The attacks went too far, no question, and the whole thing was a distasteful turn-off for me. But while I didn't participate in those threads, I did see people making a case for discussing such things in a more civil manner. It's not like everyone there was being disrespectful or "hateful."

It's really strange how a couple of members appear to be hell-bent on keeping that forum dead and mischaracterizing its participants, even though they didn't participte there very much. If you don't like a forum, don't go there. Live and let live.
On a more positive note, I got to edit this post! Thank you for this feature, it'll be great for people like me who type way too quickly.

Message edited on: 05/14/2004 12:08

Recently, I decided to leave a site where I was an active participant. I contacted the administration. They explained that things had to removed manually, there was no magic "delete" button. Since it was my decision to do so, I removed my gallery my self.. It took sometime to do so.

"It's really strange how a couple of members appear to be hell-bent on keeping that forum dead and mischaracterizing its participants, even though they didn't participte there very much." They are guardians of the moral and custom of the kingdom, all signs of blasfemy must be removed!, the work of the devil is in every place!, burn, burn, burn.....

Errrr....... i believe (From what I've read) that Teri was pissed at her posts being followed and constantly deleted. And said to just delete her account.
As a side note, our department head recently put a lock for any of the 15+ CG artists to not being able to purchase from Renderosity any longer, citing "The problems with Renderosity are no longer worth the hassle". I tried to get specifics, but he's the man.
Sorry

I have nothing to add, I just wanted to test the new edit feature. OK, it works. I'm satisfied.

Message edited on: 05/14/2004 14:06

Hi

[[It's really strange how a couple of members appear to be hell-bent on keeping that forum dead and mischaracterizing its participants, even though they didn't participte there very much. If you don't like a forum, don't go there.]] That's something I never have figured out. If they hated OT so virulently, why the hell did they keep going in there? Was just so they'd have an excuse to be offended by something? It would be so easy just to never click on that link and pretend it wasn't there. Maybe that was TOO easy. So far several of them have gone to great lengths since the closure to malign everything about OT and to comprehensively insult everybody who frequented it as being some sort of worthless trash who shouldn't be allowed anywhere. WHY?

Apparently only one side is allowed to have an opinion. And the other side gets to exaggerate beyond belief. Oh well. That says everything about OT to me. I miss the parts of OT that were fun and irrelevant. I don't miss this stuff. Which ever side you were on, I truly wish you all a great weekend. Get away from the computer. Shut off the cell phones. Take a walk through the park and listen for sounds outside of a keyboard typing. It does put things into perspective. TGIF!!!

wow a new edit feature? cool it works :)

Message edited on: 05/14/2004 18:17

If I understand your message 24 correctly, you're saying your boss won't allow your fellow employees to purchase anything here. I'd be interested in hearing more about your company, if they were buying Poser merchandise on a regular basis like that. What is the name of your company?

I would think if I got tired enough of a site, or anything for that mater, that demanded VOLUNTARY participation, I would just STOP going there. Sounds sorta like hitting yourself over the head with a hammer and being pissed off 'cause it hurts. I suppose it's a drag to have things change and not remain the way you like, but gee, so much in life is like that, why should this be any different?

What is the name of your company? I'll be blunt. I don't like your attitude toward members/consumers. You would be the last to be privy to such confidential information.
*The site has too much to offer for them to stay away for very long.
*We shall see what we shall see.

"Apparently only one side is allowed to have an opinion."

As you know, that's not really true. :-) There's a difference between opinion, even emotionally overstated opinion, and zealous mischaracterization. Any singular characterization of that forum or its regulars is inherently problematic, as the regulars as well as the threads were diverse.

"I miss the parts of OT that were fun and irrelevant."

Me too! For example, I saw the new trailer for the forthcoming Pixar movie tonight. I'm not sure that "word is out" about this yet, and had the urge to post a link to the Poser forum. I had to stop myself because I figured that the thread would probably be deleted or moved to one of those only-the-staff-gets-to-see places. This is something that's going to be of great interest to many Renderosity members, certainly Poser users, but in lieu of an off topic forum, I have no idea where to share my enthusiasm and the link appropriately, at least not where it would get much attention or be literally off topic.

As regards the "I'm leaving" phenomenon, some people do indeed come back, although typically with less participation (e.g. pdxjims, caleb68) while others (e.g. Legume) do not come back. Teri and I were sometimes very much at odds in terms of political perspective (and sometimes in full agreement) but she is intelligent and passionate, and I'll miss her. This whole thing has caused bad feelings all around, for staff and members alike. Maybe it's time to discuss the situation more impersonally.

Message edited on: 05/14/2004 23:03

Can we add as a new feature an ignore button so we don't have to read posts from devout OT haters?

Shades of the C&D closure!!!!

This thread is caught in some sort of a weird time warp.

People threatening to leave, and never come back -- predictions of the demise of Renderosity -- denunciations of the site administration --

The names are different this time.

But the arguments are exactly the same.

What year is it? 2000?

None of the dire predictions made back then came true, folks.

And it won't happen now, either.

walks in wearing a long hooded robe

Beware the Ides of March.. Beware the Ides of.. Oh, wait, wrong forum.. Sorry..

shuffles off to Starbuck's and orders an Expresso Latte Hmm.. there HAVE been some changes since I was last here..

Message edited on: 05/15/2004 01:45

" If they hated OT so virulently, why the hell did they keep going in there?"
Is the same reason:

I am peacefully smoking a cigarette in the street and then comes someone telling me that I am a sinner, a perverted, that I must go to the church to save my soul, once there was a woman that started singing religious songs or salms!
Why they can't left me alone smoking in peace???

Message edited on: 05/15/2004 05:40

None of the dire predictions made back then came true, folks.And it won't happen now, either.
Of course it did not fully happen. When it did start to happen, OT was opened.
Just keep telling yourself that the members/customers are wrong and the "dire" predictions will follow the law of economics.
BTW....Where have I heard the company is right/consumer wrong argument before? Ah yes...Atari!

We are working on filling your request right now. And after ~33 hours, Teri is still showing up as an active member. Is Bondware that inflexible? Or is it something else? Where have I heard the company is right/consumer wrong argument before? Ah yes...Atari! :D

Just keep telling yourself that the members/customers are wrong and the "dire" predictions will follow the law of economics.

Just keep telling yourself that the vast majority of customers here at Renderosity care anything at all about what happened to the OT forum.

ROFLMAO!

Well I couldn't care less about the Lightwave forum, as I don't have that app and am not planning on buying it anytime soon, but I'd feel terrible for the people who participate there if it were yanked due to some silly flame wars or heated discussion of a controversial topic.

The same about Artmatic Voyager forum for PC users

It's come to my attention that I was wrong about suspecting that the religion debates were the reason for the forum cancellation. Understandably, the staff person who advised me can't say more, so I can't either (nor would I if I were asked not to,) but I thought it only fair to say that I stand corrected. It would be really cool if a solution to whatever the issues are could be found. :-) I have no idea what Artmatic Voyager is, but it sure sounds interesting. I'll check it out!

I've never noticed many flamewars going on in the Lightwave forum.

Isn't Artmatic Voyager strictly a MAC app? Or is there a PC version? I am not familiar with that software. Obviously.

Well, I must point out, if you use assertions to bolster your argument that can't be independently checked or verified in any way, it doesn't so much support your argument, but rather it tends to discredit it. But that's the way I recall the OT forum was. A few very angry, opinionated people who, through their arrogance and disregard for common courtesy, destroyed the very thing they so desperately needed. Telling people to stay out of the OT forum if they don't like it; that's all the proof of arrogance and hostility that we need. You come here as guests, then try to take over a forum and make others unwelcome there.

Uh-huh....
Twist it, bend it, any way you want it.
I can see why my boss locked out all Rendeosity purchases.
Keep up the work mateo_sancarlos and you can have the artists here begging on the streets.
sigh

"Telling people to stay out of the OT forum if they don't like it; that's all the proof of arrogance and hostility that we need. You come here as guests, then try to take over a forum and make others unwelcome there." Oh, lord, the pot.kettle.black hypocrisy! You're yet again distorting things. There was absolutely nothing arrogant or hostile about my suggestion, neither did I "tell people" to stay out. I frequently encouraged people to speak up, even suggesting that lurkers should dive into the pool and join the party. My suggestion in this thread was perfectly reasonable, a variation on "if you can't take the heat, leave the kitchen." God knows I've walked away from certain Usenet groups because I tired of being target practice for hatemongers. Nobody ever tried to take over the OT Forum, certainly nobody in this thread, definitely not me! Furthermore, my suspicions about the religion thing were stated as exactly that, not as solid assertions. At least I admitted publicly that I'd been corrected ... most people wouldn't do that. It's pretty obvious who's really being arrogant ... and for what reason? It's really weird. I was one of the more friendly/silly/politically moderate people at OT. At least that's what others have said. :-) I trust that most folks here understand my actual tone and reasoning. I'm not going to be dragged into ongoing pettiness with someone whom I've never had anything against, but who continues to paint a diverse group of people sloppily, unfairly, and with rather telling hostility with a grotesquely broad brush.

"I've never noticed many flamewars going on in the Lightwave forum." Oh, me either, because I've never visited it. :-) I just pulled that out of a hat for the sake of example. You're probably correct when you say that most members don't give a hoot about the OT forum. What I'd meant by my response is that the deletion matters to those who participated there, and from some of what I've read, to others who were lurkers, infrequent visitors, or who just recognized the value, in terms of overall sense of community, of having a place where people could just be people, instead of focussing on this-or-that application. Like Dialyn said. (And by the way, Dialyn, I always enjoyed your fun and interesting links, even if I didn't always respond to them.) Unfortunately, no matter how decent a person you are, someone out there who doesn't really know you is likely to get a thorn in their side about you, possibly based on simple misunderstanding. Something that Legume used to mention quite a bit. The nice thing is that there are people like you and I, Xenophonz, and several others here, who see the world in very different ways but who are still civil to one another and manage to find common ground, besides the obvious ... a love of 3D art and its tech. ...or am I being too arrogant? :-)

I'm still not clear on why some boss of some company would cancel business due to the OT forum, especially since you guys are saying it was a such nice, friendly place. Unless the boss was right, that the OT forum was detracting from business somehow, due to the contentious nature of some of the posts there, which forced the admins to close the forum. Or maybe the boss noticed his employees wasting too much time in the OT forum, when they should have been doing art or whatever they do for him. Of course, it's all just conjecture, until we can ask the boss himself. Unless it's some top-secret company like the Ministry of Information or whatever. ;-) Need-to-know basis? O.k. I admit I don't need to know, no need to use the thumbscrews and hoods on me!