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Subject: why sow much badd speling heer?


LornaW ( ) posted Tue, 03 October 2006 at 6:18 AM · edited Sun, 01 December 2024 at 2:24 PM

Just a nittpik complaint taht theres bean moor and moor BADD speling in the forams laitly.

It's like nubody heer has eveer bean too schuul or sumething ore maybee nubody caires? Makes the playse luuk badd end its fairy unnoying and looks sow unprooffessynul!!

Eevan manny tittles too da posts look lyke kindargartten stuf?? Lyke a bunch of little kyds wryting!!

Maybee some foaks shuuld learn how to spel before trying to lern how to use a cumputer or perhapps allow there spelcheks too work FOR THEMELVES?? Is there no ayge limit noomore?

Speling is impoortunt wen yuo sel too peeple also bekaus yuo shood bee abel too reed yuor paycheks properly!! 

Its auffell to haff too reed sum uv da stuf heer letly, da weigh peeple spel end oll is sow uglly!! 


Mahray ( ) posted Tue, 03 October 2006 at 6:29 AM

Don't bother learning to spell, just get the Google Toolbar with inbuilt spellchecker :)

Come visit us at RenderGods.

Ignore the shooty dog thing.


pearce ( ) posted Tue, 03 October 2006 at 7:02 AM

Spellcheckers can be fickle friends. They won't distinguish between coarse' andcourse', and will let you happily typo away about `pubic forums' .

Best learn to spell (making allowances for our non-English-speaking co-members naturally)

:biggrin:


Mahray ( ) posted Tue, 03 October 2006 at 7:09 AM

Attached Link: Spelling Chequer

True, spell checkers can be a royal PITA.

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Ignore the shooty dog thing.


billy423uk ( ) posted Tue, 03 October 2006 at 8:04 AM

understanding whats being said is much more important than a few dozen mispelled words as lornas post demonstrates. the people who responded can ovbiously understand it even though the spelling is exaggeratingly wrong.....in fact the post defeats the object of it's purpose by proving bad spelling makes little difference to a post as far as understanding whats written is concerned.

billy


Casette ( ) posted Tue, 03 October 2006 at 8:21 AM

Guell, I'm spanizh. It's not eazy to zhink and wrait in e language differen dan de own uon

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Casette ( ) posted Tue, 03 October 2006 at 8:22 AM

Quote - Spellcheckers can be fickle friends. They won't distinguish between coarse' andcourse', and will let you happily typo away about `pubic forums' . > Quote - I LURVE PUBIC FORUMZ :lol:


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infinity10 ( ) posted Tue, 03 October 2006 at 8:24 AM

That'll teach me to use romanised Chinese....

Eternal Hobbyist

 


Denger ( ) posted Tue, 03 October 2006 at 9:08 AM

**Its allmy keubaords faulyt. **

It unflinchingly puts forth the havoc wreaked by my hasty fingers.

                                                     Concepts are the playthings of an active intellect.

 


pearce ( ) posted Tue, 03 October 2006 at 9:15 AM

teh sp3ll ch3><3r r suX0rz


The3dZone ( ) posted Tue, 03 October 2006 at 10:00 AM

WElL 4TL3@5+ J00 dON'T 5E3 a BunCH Of th15 ALl 0veR +H3 FORum5 HErE,NOw +h4+ wOULD 83 daMN3D 4NN0yInG W0ULDN'+ 1t?

-3DZ

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BAR-CODE ( ) posted Tue, 03 October 2006 at 10:20 AM

ga jij lekker op mijn spelling letten .... dan ga ik voortaan alles in mn eigentaal tikken...

Wat een stom gelul zeg..

Chris

 

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bobbystahr ( ) posted Tue, 03 October 2006 at 11:02 AM · edited Tue, 03 October 2006 at 11:05 AM

It all comes down to the fact, in my humble opinion, that most folks are too anxious to answer, and can't wait long enough to re-read and edit/correct their spelling,  before clicking on the post reply button. I know I have been quilty of that in the past when after reading an obviously off-base post, and really wanting to set the record straight, I dash off a response and hit send before re- reading what I've just written. Also there's the 'fat finges syndrome' where fast unfocused typing will ghit 2 keys at once [ghit done for example...LOL]...many reasons but most solvable by re-reading and editing...if anyone cares to.....it's not a race so if we all slow down a nanosecond I feel certain the level of competence,[sp?no spell check here], spelling wise will rise

 

Once in a while I look around,
I see a sound
and try to write it down
Sometimes they come out very soft
Tinkling light sound
The Sun comes up again



 

 

 

 

 


Miss Nancy ( ) posted Tue, 03 October 2006 at 1:55 PM

it's always been like this, in every forum I've ever seen. the reason is that it's a post-literate society. language changes over time, and earlier usage (e.g. "correct" spelling, punctuation and grammar) is forgotten. it's the natural course of the evolution of the species.



pearce ( ) posted Tue, 03 October 2006 at 1:58 PM

"WElL 4TL3@5+ J00 dON'T 5E3 a BunCH Of th15 ALl 0veR +H3 FORum5 HErE,NOw +h4+ wOULD 83 daMN3D 4NN0yInG W0ULDN'+ 1t?"

Damn right.

Does anyone still do that except in jest?


The3dZone ( ) posted Tue, 03 October 2006 at 2:22 PM

Lord I hope not

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Star4mation ( ) posted Tue, 03 October 2006 at 2:52 PM

I blame it on the txt generation! Mobile phones (cell phones) fry your brains and make you type most strangely! :)

If it ain't free, I can't afford it.


Denger ( ) posted Tue, 03 October 2006 at 4:40 PM

Quote - I blame it on the txt generation! Mobile phones (cell phones) fry your brains and make you type most strangely! :)

They do.  Most folks are unaware that unlike hardwired 'landline' telephones, cellular phones are actually handheld radio transceivers, and as such, emit high frequency RF radiation, just like a microwave oven, only on (slightly) lower frequencies.  There have been no conclusive studies linking prolonged cell phone use to cancer, however anecdotal evidence would seem to suggest that there is a correlation.  I'll continue using my old landline, thankyouverymuch, I can do without the brain tumor (and besides, my typing is bad enough already)!

                                                     Concepts are the playthings of an active intellect.

 


Acadia ( ) posted Tue, 03 October 2006 at 5:39 PM · edited Tue, 03 October 2006 at 5:42 PM

I'm dyslexic and have an excuse for my bad spelling here.  Since they changed the forums, my spell checker doesn't work here because it relies on right clicking, which only shows cut/copy/paste here :(

I try hard to catch my spelling, but it's hard when to do when I'm seeing one thing and my brain is processing it as something else. Often I don't see my spelling until it's too  late to edit the post.

If my bad spelling at times bothers people, all I can say is "live with it, because I have to!"

Another factor for bad spelling is that not everyone here has English as their first language. I think it's awful to make fun of someone's spelling because you don't know the circumstances behind it. Yes, it could be laziness, but it could be something else.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi



XENOPHONZ ( ) posted Tue, 03 October 2006 at 5:47 PM

i Always hate it whenever i right something where i miss spell the words.

I especially hate it when I spot my mistake more than 15 minutes later, and can't fix it.

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billy423uk ( ) posted Tue, 03 October 2006 at 5:55 PM

Content Advisory! This message contains profanity

i'm a short sighted english non dyslexic post modern post literate lazy bastard with club fingers, no typing skills using a german keyboard and drinking copious amounts of vodka whilst listening to curtis mayfield and looking at some white lines of powder on my desk and people wonder why my spelling or grammar sucks....still i'm happy

billy


bobbystahr ( ) posted Wed, 04 October 2006 at 1:39 AM

XENOPHONZ.....Should you ever seriously like an edit to a post I for one, would willingly do it for you...just IM me about it.

 

Once in a while I look around,
I see a sound
and try to write it down
Sometimes they come out very soft
Tinkling light sound
The Sun comes up again



 

 

 

 

 


kawecki ( ) posted Wed, 04 October 2006 at 5:21 AM

mi ma-ma me mi-ma
el ga-to su-bio a la me-sa
yo es-tu-dio en la es-cue-la
mam-bru se fue a la gue-rra

Sori dis is de last dat Ai lerned at skul, it uas veri dificult .

Stupidity also evolves!


XENOPHONZ ( ) posted Wed, 04 October 2006 at 9:28 AM

Quote - XENOPHONZ.....Should you ever seriously like an edit to a post I for one, would willingly do it for you...just IM me about it.

 

Thanks for the offer bobby.  If I ever do anything glaring enough, then I might take you up on it.

Sometimes fractured syntax is deliberate -- as a matter of style, or else to emphasize a point.  People who are quick on the uptake can usually catch that.  But others -- more.......uh......literally minded -- occasionally get the idea that the words need to be taken at face value.  And that can lead to some misunderstandings.  Or to no cognizance of the humor involved.

C'est la vie.  (I think that was speeled korectly)

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SeanE ( ) posted Wed, 04 October 2006 at 9:51 AM

well, regrettably not everyone is fortunate enough to have been born in the USA, and to speak english as a first language, and to experience the great education system enjoyed by US-ians chokes a bit on that part

rendo' is an INTERNATIONAL site and the Internet is an INTERNATIONAL medium if you care to remember....

gets off soapbox and walks off muttering darkly about ethnocentric US-ians who think they own the whole damm place... and don't even get me started about US-ians using their State abbreviations and expecting the rest of the world to know where the frack you're from... mutter mutter mutter


marzo ( ) posted Wed, 04 October 2006 at 10:41 AM

Here we go . . .

How I bled when they said that the rose had no thorns


XENOPHONZ ( ) posted Wed, 04 October 2006 at 12:50 PM

Quote - well, regrettably not everyone is fortunate enough to have been born in the USA, and to speak english as a first language, and to experience the great education system enjoyed by US-ians chokes a bit on that part

rendo' is an INTERNATIONAL site and the Internet is an INTERNATIONAL medium if you care to remember....

gets off soapbox and walks off muttering darkly about ethnocentric US-ians who think they own the whole damm place... and don't even get me started about US-ians using their State abbreviations and expecting the rest of the world to know where the frack you're from... mutter mutter mutter

 

I've had a number of Aussie-asians as friends in my lifetime.  In fact, one family was from Perth.  I was fascinated to discover that W.A.-asians and East Coast Aussie-asians don't particularly care much for each other.  One friend of mine who hailed from Sydney said something along the lines of 'he wouldn't care if all of W.A. fell off into the ocean' -- or words to that effect.

Years ago as a child a local TV station in my southern state carried Skippy the Bush Kangaroo as regular children's programming.  I can recall wondering why all of those people who lived in Florida had English accents.  The territory looked a lot like certain parts of Florida -- and the people in the show spoke with English accents.  But since coming to know a few Aussies in the intervening years, I eventually came to realize that they weren't from Florida.  In fact: they don't even have English accents.  I've also learned that the ancestors of all Aussies actually all came from a place called Botany Bay.  And a few others came from Van Diemen's Land.  IIRC, they changed the name to Tasmania..........out of embarassment...........or something.

One of my Aussie friends was kind enough to give me a world map as a gift.  It's a large map, meant to be stuck to your wall.  It's a little different from most other world maps that I've seen.......it features a large South Arrow (as distiguished from a North Arrow).  And it has the continent of Australia shown near the top of the world.

I suppose that it's all a matter of one's point of view.  Hey.......I even like the concept of a South Arrow displayed prominently on the map.  Because as we all know, deep southerners are great people.  And since Australis translates as "The South Land" -- I suppose that the people down there have got to have something to recommend them.  To say otherwise would be to go against nature.

One thing that I'm still not sure about, though -- do y'all speak English down there?  Just like we do?  I'll have to be sure to ask my Aussie friends about that the next time that I see them..........

At least one of our mods here claims to be from someplace called the UK.  I wonder if they speak English there?

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XENOPHONZ ( ) posted Wed, 04 October 2006 at 12:53 PM

Quote - Here we go . . .

It's s'allright. 😉

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Star4mation ( ) posted Wed, 04 October 2006 at 1:20 PM

Yeah in the UK we speak English English, not American English :)

If it ain't free, I can't afford it.


XENOPHONZ ( ) posted Wed, 04 October 2006 at 2:58 PM · edited Wed, 04 October 2006 at 3:00 PM

Well, let's see --

We've got:

New Zealand-English
Australian English
"Scottish" English
"Irish" English
American English (with many different variations/accents/dialects)
Canadian English ("We don't salute the leaf ! ", as I've heard one British Columbian quoted.)

.....and then of course -- we have English English -- which now must be distinguished from the rest by a double identification.

I understand the the French tend to regard the québécois as poor imitations of themselves.  Like one Parisian friend of mine who visited Quebec once said to me: "They sound funny."  And I further understand that the Parisian French tend to regard the Louisiana cajun folk claiming kinship to them as being something of an embarassment.

Also -- I've heard similar thoughts expressed concerning Castilian Spainish vs. South/Central-American Spainish.

So, it ain't jus' us poor southern folk who get our ways 'a talkin' looked down upon.  Hey -- everybody needs somebody else that they can feel superior to.  It's got something to do with human nature.  Or such has been my observation, anyway.

Something To Do At 3:00AM 



XENOPHONZ ( ) posted Wed, 04 October 2006 at 3:13 PM

BTW - I've heard somewhat differing accounts of this -- but I've seen news reports / read stories which indicate that identifying oneself too strongly as being "English" -- or for that matter, using the name "England" -- is somewhat un-politically correct these days.  I've heard that the accepted terms are now "British" or "UK".  Like, it's OK to be proudly Scottish or Irish -- but it's not OK to be proudly English.

IMO -- the English have a long and proud history.  So they have every right to proudly call themselves "English".

But I despise Political Correctness in all of its forms.  This being another one of those poisonous forms which so haunt the modern Western world.

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pearce ( ) posted Wed, 04 October 2006 at 4:40 PM · edited Wed, 04 October 2006 at 4:43 PM

"But I despise Political Correctness in all of its forms. "

...and yet you exhibit so much of it yourself, just the other kind.  DO stop hanging out at the Daily Mail website -- it will rot your mind (the symptoms are showing already).

The "accepted terms" of British or UK are as they are because those are what the nation is called -- Britain, or the United Kingdom.

"IMO -- the English have a long and proud history."   In your opinion. Well we'll take that into consideration.

My father was Welsh, but his family name (Pearce) is common in Cornwall, from whence tin-miners travelled to Wales as coal mining was more lucrative.   I was born in England, my mother's father was from Northern Ireland.  My father's mother's people came from Northumberland, on the north-east coast near the Scottish border, and more than likely had Viking ancestors, in common with many of the people in that part of the world on both sides of the border.  Oddly, my father, despite his English birth,  fought with the Black Watch regiment, an extremely Scottish outfit with an ancient and proud history, in WW2.

So, Xen, piss off and stop telling the Brits how to be British.  It's getting very, very, very, very boring and, more to the point, no fun anymore. Go wave your stars `n' bars for GWB.

EDIT: incidentally, you ARE aware that Ireland is an independent nation, so no connection with Britain?  No?  Thought not.


XENOPHONZ ( ) posted Wed, 04 October 2006 at 4:53 PM · edited Wed, 04 October 2006 at 5:02 PM

Hmmmmm.......I seem to have touched a sore spot with that one.  Odd, that.  Some of the reports that I've seen must have at least a grain of truth to them, then.  How else to explain such an explosive reaction?

I've not read the Daily Mail beyond once or twice.  But upon your recommendation: I might start paying more attention to it.

I'd never dream of "telling the Brits how to be British".  Nor have I made any efforts to do so.  But I won't hesitate to make my own observations on that -- or on any other -- subject.

I'll pass on the more political items.  Here.

I wasn't trying to ruin your day, pearce.  Really, I wasn't.  Did your dog die today?  Break up with your girlfriend?  Sorry if any of those scenarios are the case.

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pearce ( ) posted Wed, 04 October 2006 at 5:11 PM

"..beyond once or twice.."

...that's all it takes, next thing it's the men in white coats :laugh:


XENOPHONZ ( ) posted Wed, 04 October 2006 at 5:35 PM · edited Wed, 04 October 2006 at 5:37 PM

Quote - "..beyond once or twice.."

...that's all it takes, next thing it's the men in white coats :laugh:

 

Sounds like a truly great news source. 😉  I'll have to take a closer look.

So I see that all is not calm in paradise -- y'all have your own center-right conservatives over there, too.  Most likely: far more so than on the continent (the continentals tend to be on the extreme fringes either way).

Irritatin' folks, ain't they -- those center-righters?  They have a habit of shading (or coloring) the sweet illusions of utopia with the nastiness of ugly reality.  And that's never any fun for the dreamers.  Being shaken awake tends to make people mad.

But I'll leave it.........

Thanks again for recommending the Daily Mail so strongly.  Perhaps they'll hire me as an editorial writer.  I'll mail my resume right away............uh......can I use you as a character reference?  Thanks!

😉

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pearce ( ) posted Wed, 04 October 2006 at 6:05 PM · edited Wed, 04 October 2006 at 6:08 PM

Well if you're serious about seeking a journalistic outlet for your intriguing synthesis of chauvinism and libertarianism in Britain (as we like to call it), you could also check out the Daily Express, the DM's mid-market tabloid rival.

Same old worn-out, fucked-up shit though :laugh:


XENOPHONZ ( ) posted Wed, 04 October 2006 at 9:14 PM

"intriguing synthesis of chauvinism and libertarianism"

Now that's a neat turn of phrase.  I like it. :laugh:  I'll consider making it into my forum signature.

Tabloid, eh?  Well -- if nothing else, at least there'd likely be money in the deal.  For somebody.  And as you are well aware: we right-wing types are always interested in money first and foremost.  All other considerations are secondary at best.  The only problem is: all of the cash would likely be for somebody else sigh.

Political commentary right alongside Britney's love life and UFO's.  And Bigfoot, of course.  We can't forget about Bigfoot.

I'll see what I can do.  Thanks for all of the recommendations.  As they say: when you're in Indian territory, be certain to hire a tribesman as your guide.  He'll tell you exactly where you should go by telling you to go the other way. 😉

:lol:

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Star4mation ( ) posted Wed, 04 October 2006 at 9:35 PM

Bit like New York New York then :) so good they named it twice.

If it ain't free, I can't afford it.


XENOPHONZ ( ) posted Wed, 04 October 2006 at 10:21 PM

Yes, they did.  New York City used to be called New Amsterdam -- a very long time ago.  Even further back, it was called Manahatta.

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billy423uk ( ) posted Wed, 04 October 2006 at 11:24 PM

why isn't it called americanish of new zealandish why steal our product, isnt that a copyright guff violation. english belongs to us i tell you what what. whats an elevator ....don't trust em i don't now you can always trust a lift.. and whats with this pidgeon english, when did they learn the language.

billy


XENOPHONZ ( ) posted Thu, 05 October 2006 at 12:12 AM

The modern elevator was invented over here 😉

http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blelevator.htm

And as the story goes: we call it an elevator.  But hey - I'm not prejudiced.  "Lift" is fine.  As is "loo", I suppose.  Although I never use either term.  I'd get funny looks if I did.

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kawecki ( ) posted Thu, 05 October 2006 at 12:25 AM

You have to be happy that people don't care of spelling, if people had cared you should be writting German today and not English.!!!

Stupidity also evolves!


marzo ( ) posted Thu, 05 October 2006 at 3:20 AM

Quote - > Quote - Here we go . . .

It's s'allright. 😉

10 out of 10 for restraint Xeno! 

How I bled when they said that the rose had no thorns


billy423uk ( ) posted Thu, 05 October 2006 at 4:32 AM

the modern elevator wasn't invented lol....it was an upgrade.......and all of which could never have happened unless the guy that devleoped a way to bore a hole in a steel rod to make an accurate rifle was around, an english guy i think......without him the steam engine water powered piston....would never have functioned efficiently enough. from that precision in drilling came

water pumping and the industrial revolution all of which would have been non starters with no elevators no breaking systems worth a damn and no communication systems.....mind you we wouldn't have all the wars and guns we have to day either lol

 

billy

 

 


Denger ( ) posted Thu, 05 October 2006 at 9:56 AM · edited Thu, 05 October 2006 at 10:02 AM

the modern elevator... could never have happened unless the guy that devleoped a way to bore a hole in a steel rod to make an accurate rifle was around, an english guy i think......without him the steam engine water powered piston....would never have functioned efficiently enough. from that precision in drilling came water pumping and the industrial revolution all of which would have been non starters with no elevators no breaking systems worth a damn and no communication systems.....mind you we wouldn't have all the wars and guns we have to day either lol

I think I'd be willing to take the stairs, if that would achieve total world disarmament!

"Y'all don't have an accent, but yuh shore do talk funny."

*** -- An anonymous Missouri (USA) resident***

:b_funny:

                                                     Concepts are the playthings of an active intellect.

 


XENOPHONZ ( ) posted Thu, 05 October 2006 at 12:12 PM

Quote - I think I'd be willing to take the stairs, if that would achieve total world disarmament!

That's alright -- if guns aren't handy, then machetes will do to hack to death around 500,000 people are so.  Locking the populations of entire villages into church buildings and setting the buildings on fire works, too.  Like what happened in Rwanda just a few years ago.

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XENOPHONZ ( ) posted Thu, 05 October 2006 at 12:19 PM

Quote - the modern elevator wasn't invented lol....it was an upgrade.......and all of which could never have happened unless the guy that devleoped a way to bore a hole in a steel rod to make an accurate rifle was around, an english guy i think......without him the steam engine water powered piston....would never have functioned efficiently enough. from that precision in drilling came

water pumping and the industrial revolution all of which would have been non starters with no elevators no breaking systems worth a damn and no communication systems.....mind you we wouldn't have all the wars and guns we have to day either lol

 

billy

 

 

 

 

Oh -- the original concept was ancient.  But that doesn't detract from what Otis did.  Nor does it negate the original point that he called the device which he created an elevator.

You could as well argue that Otis couldn't have invented the elevator without earlier developments in metallurgy.  Or that the Wright brothers couldn't have invented the airplane without someone else inventing the internal combustion engine first -- or without ancient weavers figuring out the techniques for creating canvas-like materials first (to fabricate the shell of the aircraft.).  So what?  The Wright brothers still invented the airplane -- and Otis invented the elevator.

:biggrin:

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XENOPHONZ ( ) posted Thu, 05 October 2006 at 12:25 PM · edited Thu, 05 October 2006 at 12:26 PM

BTW - one effect of guns is to equalize.  In a chaotic world where swords & spears are the standard -- only the strong can prevail.  That's one reason why guns were originally looked down upon by some as a coward's weapon.  It's no fun when a powerful, 300lb giant of a man can be easily taken down by an 80lb. child with a gun.  That sort of thing can make like tough on gangs of big, strong guys with machetes.  It's much, much easier to slaughter the sheep when the sheep aren't armed -- and can shoot back.

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XENOPHONZ ( ) posted Thu, 05 October 2006 at 2:39 PM · edited Thu, 05 October 2006 at 2:39 PM

BTW 2 -- I was on-topic with the above posts.  The phrase  "are so" in the one post above should have been rendered "or so".  And the phrase "make like tough" in the other post should have been "make life tough".

I was testing you with typos --- to see if anybody caught those.  I was entirely motivated by a desire to be topical to the thread.

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Miss Nancy ( ) posted Thu, 05 October 2006 at 3:02 PM

this thread seems to have diverged from its original concept just a bit. we have some dubious references to the british (or english, which is the language they speak). then ricardo throws in a reference to WWII that everybody missed :lol: at least nobody has mentioned the situation in the d. r. of the congo yet.



XENOPHONZ ( ) posted Thu, 05 October 2006 at 3:17 PM

Well.......what about cuneiform tablets found at Jokha, the ruin of the ancient city of Umma?  Or what about the 1648 Treaty of Münster?  What about that?  Everything has a bearing on this discussion.

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