mungopark had problems with matmatic on OSX, probably parmatic is the same.

He found that you have to install my folders not in Runtime:Python but in some other folder called PythonExtensions

I don't know why the MAC Poser is different.

Quote - mungopark ... found that you have to install my folders not in Runtime:Python but in some other folder called PythonExtensions....

HOLY Cow! I'm about as new to Mac as I am Poser and I would have never figurd that out.  What an odd way to do things!

Funny though, I re-read through this entire thread to look for the info only to find it as the penultimate post on the previous page.

BB, that is defintely vidal info for your user manual!  Don't lose it!

Oh, BTW, I'm all good again.  it worked like a charm but I have a new thing:  the display window stays open and here's a sample of the many many lines that print evey time I do something:

     kEventCodeKEYSCHANGED
------ Parmatic Updating Parameters
      kEventCodeKEYSCHANGED
      kEventCodeITEMRENAMED
       Unlisted values 40000
------ Parmatic Updating Parameters
      kEventCodeKEYSCHANGED
      kEventCodeITEMRENAMED
       Unlisted values 40000
------ Parmatic Updating Parameters
      kEventCodeKEYSCHANGED
------ Parmatic Updating Parameters
      kEventCodeKEYSCHANGED
------ Parmatic Updating Parameters
      kEventCodeKEYSCHANGED
      kEventCodeACTORSELECTIONCHANGED
------ Parmatic Updating Parameters

So, here I go again - what did I screw up this time?

jdredline,

What we are about to address is a common failing of humans, and perhaps you did NOT fail in this, so please do not be insulted if I accuse you wrongly. I have to address it first because it happens so often and I waste SO much time because of it.

OK here's the deal. The older version of Parmatic (Parmatic 1) printed stuff. The newer version (Parmatic 2) does not. Every time anybody has reported printing going constantly, it was because they installed Parmatic 1 and Parmatic 2 and they were RUNNING PARMATIC 1.

If you have Parmatic 1, you should probably delete it.

Parmatic 2 is a whole folder, where Parmatic 1 was just one file.

On the other hand, Parmatic 2 can print constantly like Parmatic 1 did. Did you change the verbose settings?

BB,

False alarm.  After a restart it never came back and the shader is working as expected.

However, I did have another good laugh at your last post.  Its so typical of brainiacs like yourself not to have any people-skills.  The way you scold me for being an idiot is an absolute blast!  Not knowing a polite or kind way to state things.  Just coldly and bluntly calling it out as if you were Data or Seven of Nine from the Star Trek series.  I love it.

Don't get wrong.  As I stated before, please, yell at me all you want when I'm an idiot for I worhsip your brain for creating and sharing this fantastic free shader for AM!

Can I get a user's manual, please?  I'm not the "go in and experiment" kind of guy.  I'm the "open up the manual and learn what everything does" kind of guy.  Then, once I know what things do, I experiment.

this is not apollo but james.i used the apollo shader. i just love thsi skin shader because it looks so good.
i was also playing with the lights.

Well done! That's really looking great.

See, I don't need to do everything for every figure.

thanks

one thing that i noticed last week is that with your infinite light you can make the shadow more  then 1.
for example in the second pic i used: shadow 1.300

how did you do that?

Quote - thanks

one thing that i noticed last week is that with your infinite light you can make the shadow more  then 1.
for example in the second pic i used: shadow 1.300

how did you do that?

I didn't do anything to make that happen. I didn't know that it happened. Wierd. I just clicked the plus sign and saved my lights.

Quote - > Quote - thanks

one thing that i noticed last week is that with your infinite light you can make the shadow more  then 1.
for example in the second pic i used: shadow 1.300

how did you do that?

 

I didn't do anything to make that happen. I didn't know that it happened. Wierd. I just clicked the plus sign and saved my lights.

interesting. have you tryed it? 

bookmarked

Hi BagginsBill I posted this on the forums at CP (Im BJ there) in the Image tribute thread after I saw your post with that new ghoul preset Thanks. I would have posted in the developers forum in the V4 UCFS thread ( to get your attention faster)but this thread seemed more relevent. 

From the Apollo forum/ Image tribute to Anton and Apollo thread at CP

"Hey thanks BagginsBill. Hopefully you will see this post because I have few nice suggestions for your shader that would make it even more versitile.

1. I would like the ability to control nail color and maybe specular for it.
   Now since Apollo already has a nails material group no mask map would be needed.

2. I would also like the ability to control nipple color. This one a mask map
   would be needed but the good thing is it can be made easy by anyone. Even
   myself ( I freely admit Im no texture artist but Im pretty good at post work so I know I could make one.)

So what do you think? Is it possible we might see this in an update. Id pay $

That and a Big Pdf manual compiling all your tips on various subjects at Rendo,RuntimeDna etc. Id pay extra $ for that.Lol

Really there's so much good info out there and Im trying to learn but it's sometimes hard to find and there's not enough time in the day. Most of it is over my head but the more I read and experiment the more it sinks in."

baginsbill,

I'd just like to say thanks.

"Thanks." :)

I've bookmarked this thread and others regarding your lightsets and shaders.  I've been trying to learn more about lighting and your posts and downloads have done wonders for explaining the principles.

Thank you for adding to my personal enjoyment of this hobby!  Great work!

Well, this freebie has rekindled my interest in Apollo M... I've been wanting a more realistic male figure for a long time and had forgotten about AM. Many thanks for your generosity.

Have a great Xmas and a peaceful, happy and prosperous new year

DD

Bill
This is a great addition to Apollo.  I like how realistic it makes him.  I do have a question regarding applying the shaders.  I know I'm doing something wrong because when I apply the shader tree, the dials are there but it has a minus sign instead of a plus.  Thanks.

Bill
Nevermind, I got it.  This works great, thanks for the new script.

I think your AMUCFS may be too complicated for close-ups.  I tried twice to render this picture.

My Xeon Mac Pro Quad core spun its wheels for an hour and a half and then finsihed with the insert image.

Any idea what's going on here?

JDRedLine

I can render it pretty quickly on my Mac.

I know this matters. Among those doing the speed test,were you on P6 or P7?

I believe P7 has a problem with extereme closeup when using displacement maps.

I can get P7 to render at a crawl even with a simple sphere and a single node plugged into displacement on the sphere.

When it goes super slow, it usually is because it is out of memory and is swapping. When I do a super closeup in P7, my memory shoots over 2 Gigabytes and swapping then ruins the performance.

I dismissed it as a fluke when I hit this, because I was just amusing myself and didn't really need the extreme closeup.

JDRedline - try extreme closeup on a sphere, using a turbulence node for displacement. Get close and closer. Does it use more memory? If so, we should start a new thread about this.
 

Oh and when I say extreme closeup, I mean that the bumps on an orange-sized sphere should look like huge rocks.

P7 does seem to have trouble with closeups in general--i haven't done your sphere test, but i've had P7 poof/disappear during many closeups, enough times to see a pattern....

Ooh, Smith-Micro -- where's that P7 SR3?

Oh wait, they're still trying to figure out how to replace the e-frontier logos over at Content Paradise to the new SM ones.... once they figure that out, we might see that SR3.
-- Jeff

bagginsbill
i am looking at the nodes but i can not find the bump on the face.
can you explain how you did the bump on the face or just on the nose?

thanks.

i guess you used spots? but it looks like its rotated.

Damn, but this looks cool!

Quote - Hi BagginsBill I posted this on the forums at CP (Im BJ there) in the Image tribute thread after I saw your post with that new ghoul preset Thanks.

...

"Hey thanks BagginsBill. Hopefully you will see this post because I have few nice suggestions for your shader that would make it even more versitile.

1. I would like the ability to control nail color and maybe specular for it.
   Now since Apollo already has a nails material group no mask map would be needed.

2. I would also like the ability to control nipple color. This one a mask map
   would be needed but the good thing is it can be made easy by anyone. Even
   myself ( I freely admit Im no texture artist but Im pretty good at post work so I know I could make one.)

So what do you think? Is it possible we might see this in an update. Id pay $

That and a Big Pdf manual compiling all your tips on various subjects at Rendo,RuntimeDna etc. Id pay extra $ for that.Lol

Really there's so much good info out there and Im trying to learn but it's sometimes hard to find and there's not enough time in the day. Most of it is over my head but the more I read and experiment the more it sinks in."

Hi JB/BJ. Sorry I missed this and never answered. I have too much going on.

Controlling mask effects (something like a transmap but used to choose between multiple material effects on the same material zone) and dual-materials (multiple colors, multiple finishes) is something that will be built into VSS and very easy to do.

I'm trying to re-arrange my consulting work so I can devote 40% of my time to graphics. So far that's been impossible. Still I'm working on it.

Quote - bagginsbill
i am looking at the nodes but i can not find the bump on the face.
can you explain how you did the bump on the face or just on the nose?

thanks.

i guess you used spots? but it looks like its rotated.

Ice-boy:

To really understand the shader, you must look at the matmatic script.

It is in Runtime:libraries:Pose:Apollo_UCFS:AMUCFS.mm1.txt

That file is the master file that produces all of the shaders for AMUCFS. There is quite a bit of "intellectual property" in that file and if you want to know how things work, you should study that.

The pores on the nose and cheeks are not from Spots nodes - that would be far too simple.

Look in the script for the "Pores" method. It begins with this:
**# This method generates pores. It was adapted from my Polkadot Matmatic script!
def Pores(n = 200, mask = None):
 # n is how many dots per unit in U and V
**
That method generates a shader network for the bump and a mask to selectively darken the face where the pores are deepest. It is based on the idea of dividing the UV space into tiny diamond shapes, and assigning a random circle with a random radius and position into each of those diamonds. These random circles are then used to generate thousands of different tornado shaped depressions on the face.

If you continue to read the scrip you'll see the Skin Shader.

That's where I use Spots - for freckles and moles and capillaries and other skin color irregularities - 5 Spots nodes in all.

thanks

Quote - Drum roll please ....... after weeks of work - it's ready.

The Unbelievably Complicated Figure Shader for Apollo Maximus is finished. The shader system uses the standard textures that come with AM. All of the new features are done with procedural shaders. There are over 120 nodes in the face shader, and dozens more on the other zones.

Over 40 figure dials let you adjust the shaders from the pose room. No need to navigate the shader tree in the material room.

Also, I've published a new version of parmatic. You need that to make this shader system do the shader parameters on the figure. I've also published my light set.

With this shader system you can get hundreds of distinct looks from this one set of textures. It comes with many presets to help get you started.

Click here for the AMUCFS Shader thread at RDNA

Click here for the Parmatic 2 thread at RDNA

Click here for my light thread at RDNA

These links are no longer valid. So I did a search for AMUCFS at RDNA and found the thread, but no link to the shader on that page that I could see:
www.runtimedna.com/forum/showthread.php

Anyone have any clue how to get a copy of the shader, please?

RobynsVeil - the thing is that it's very pre-VSS.  iirc, no linearizing, which is so much of the power of VSS.  not to say you shouldn't find it.  i'm not sure how to, if you can't get it by searching RDNA.  just an fyi.

Apparently there was a mm1 script that came with it, cobaltdream, that somehow incorporated Parmatic stuff into the shader. I was going to have a look at the script to see if I could see if I could get by this issue:
www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php
that I'm having with Parmatic.

My understanding is that the script was included in the pz2 files...

Thanks for that, anyway.

oh!

well, i have a copy.  i'm pretty sure bagginsbill wouldn't mind if i shared code with you.  do you know what you're looking for?  there's a few different scripts.

actually, i'd bet his water would be a better example of Parmatic.

http://www.runtimedna.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22760&highlight=bagginsbill+water+parmatic

and duh!  i didn't re-read the earlier posts in this thread.  i'll go look for Runtime:libraries:Pose:Apollo_UCFS:AMUCFS.mm1.txt.

Thanks, cobaltdream - you're a treasure! Having a look now at the Water.mm1.txt thingie... yep, you're right, good examples of setting up PM: nodes. Now, to get that other problem solved: how to save them so that they get assigned to the right group properly when you double-click on the pz2.