Hi guys.  I'm having a problem with the Anime Hair from DAZ.  I've asked for help in the DAZ forums but no one has been able to find a solution yet, so I'm hoping maybe someone here will know how to fix this.

To begin with, the Tran and Scale dials were all hidden.  I had to download and install Dimension3D's UnHide Dials 1.02 script.  It worked great and I now have Tran and Scale dials for the hair.  Now, the Tran dials work perfectly but the Scale dials won't work at all.  No matter what value I plug into any of them, nothing happens.  The hair will not resize.

Someone asked if the hair was locked.  I checked and it's not.

Does anyone know how to fix this problem?  This hair is really nice, but if I can't do something as simple as resizing it, then it's pretty much worthless to me and I'm going to have to ask for a refund.

Please someone, help!  :(

Make sure the hair is un-parented from the head of your figure. (It will parent automatically if the head is selected.) You can place and size the hair and then parent the prop maunally. This should work.

Thanks Paloth, I'll try that, but...how do I unparent it?  I know how to change the parent, but how do I select 'nothing'?

In the parent list select the universe.

Thanks Phil.  Well, I tried unparenting and it looked like it was going to work...the Scale dials were actually working, but when I parented it back to the figure's head, it 'shrank' back to the original unfitted mess.  :(

Someone over at DAZ (who also has this hair) just posted that they're experiencing the exact same problem, and said that it is indeed 'broken'.  A ticket is being sent to customer support to get it fixed.

Thanks for trying to help.  I appreciate it.  :)

A temporary workaround would be to parent the hair to a primitive sphere. Scale the sphere (and the hair) to the proper size. It should be a small sphere so you can see the hair. Translate the sphere so that the hair fits onto your figure. Parent the sphere to the figure's head and make the sphere invisible.

I'm sorry. The temporary solution is actually a bit more complex. You need to take any simple prop into the Setup Room. Give it a bone, making sure the bone's internal name matches the prop's internal name. When you leave the Setup Room, the prop is now a figure. You can now load the hair and parent it to the former prop and when you size the parent, the hair will size along with it. When you parent the former prop to the head of a character, the hair behaves like it did before people tried to "make things simple."

Paloth, thanks very much!  If for some reason DAZ doesn't fix it, I'll give this a try.  :)

Did you try selecting a Bodypart of the hair instead of the Body?  Often the dials will not work on the Body, but the neck or head dials will change the hair.  I have this hair and was able to get it to work fine.

Quote - Did you try selecting a Bodypart of the hair instead of the Body?  Often the dials will not work on the Body, but the neck or head dials will change the hair.  I have this hair and was able to get it to work fine.

I think you must be talking about a different hair?  The one I'm talking about is this:

Anime Hair by Bobbie25 & SWAM

This hair is a .hr2 not a .cr2, so there's no 'neck' or 'head' parts to select.  It's a prop of the figure you've added it to.

Sorry, had it confused with a figure hair.

Have you tried contacting Bobbie25 or SWAM about it?

No, customer support at DAZ has been contacted, but they haven't responded yet.  :(

Ok I had a play & this is my fit for Aiko 4 - default head.

Unhide the dials, as you will need yTrans & xTrans

xTrans = 2.85.72
yTrans = 16.136
Fit_Aiko = 2
Adj_forehead = 0.2
Adj_Neck = -0.434 (note neg)
Adj_FaceSide = 0.4

Incidentally, playing with this I noticed, if you scale A4 to 90% she is virtually the same proportions & body shape as A3.

Thanks very much Anniebel! 

Mystery solved as to why this was done this way - now they are selling an A4 version of this hair as a separate product. ><

It takes some tricky coding to make a hair prop that can't be scaled so you can sell it over and over again at different sizes. I'm not sure it's worth the risk for the merchants or Daz, since people might become leery about buying crippled products from them.

Exactly. I'm lucky in that I can kind of buy what I want most of the time which is probably not a good thing as I tend not to think too much. I like it so I buy it.

That will change now for sure.

Anniebell i am lost on your instructions for the a4 fit. I cannot put in no such numbers for the x and y trans. Not with dots in them. I can only put in say like 16.000

Not sure about the product here but what about exporting the thing as an .obj and re-importing the thing.  I'm sure you'd have to adjust the fit a bit and the texture would have to be re-applied in the Material Room -- transmaps don't import back into Poser so well.

Just a thought.

Haven't been to DAZ in a while (I find their Web site annoying) but I'm reading other threads about hidden scale dials.  Now why would you want to hide dials?  I guess I am unclear about this whole issue.  There's a software script just to show hidden dials?

Best Wishes,
Rªnce

Quote - Mystery solved as to why this was done this way - now they are selling an A4 version of this hair as a separate product. ><

Quote - It takes some tricky coding to make a hair prop that can't be scaled so you can sell it over and over again at different sizes.

I'm not sure it's worth the risk for the merchants or Daz, since people might become leery about buying crippled products from them.

Well, I had thought that it was just a sloppy mistake that DAZ couldn't be bothered to fix, but now I know I won't be buying hair from SWAM and Bobbie25 in the future.  And if DAZ is going to allow that kind of thing, I'm going to steer clear of buying any hair products from them, period.

Quote - Anniebell i am lost on your instructions for the a4 fit. I cannot put in no such numbers for the x and y trans. Not with dots in them. I can only put in say like 16.000

It's a typo, I am not at home at the moment, so I cannot look at the file I saved, but try instead...

xTrans = 2.8572
yTrans = 16.136
Fit_Aiko = 2
Adj_forehead = 0.2
Adj_Neck = -0.434 (note neg)
Adj_FaceSide = 0.4
   

Quote - > Quote - Mystery solved as to why this was done this way - now they are selling an A4 version of this hair as a separate product. ><

Quote - It takes some tricky coding to make a hair prop that can't be scaled so you can sell it over and over again at different sizes.

I'm not sure it's worth the risk for the merchants or Daz, since people might become leery about buying crippled products from them.

Well, I had thought that it was just a sloppy mistake that DAZ couldn't be bothered to fix, but now I know I won't be buying hair from SWAM and Bobbie25 in the future.  And if DAZ is going to allow that kind of thing, I'm going to steer clear of buying any hair products from them, period.

I seriously doubt that selling fits seperate was the motive, it has been mentioned that this is done if using those dials produces questionable results, again though this is just supposition.

I have other hair by SWAM (old & new) & the dials aren't hidden, I don't have any more by Bobbie25 to compare.

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It's a typo, I am not at home at the moment, so I cannot look at the file I saved, but try instead...

xTrans = 2.8572
yTrans = 16.136
Fit_Aiko = 2
Adj_forehead = 0.2
Adj_Neck = -0.434 (note neg)
Adj_FaceSide = 0.4
 

 

This is not working at all for me when I put those in the y trans and the other it makes the hair go way off of a4s head? maybe I am doing something wrong I don't know but its not working for me.
Mitzi

Quote - > Quote -

It's a typo, I am not at home at the moment, so I cannot look at the file I saved, but try instead...

xTrans = 2.8572
yTrans = 16.136
Fit_Aiko = 2
Adj_forehead = 0.2
Adj_Neck = -0.434 (note neg)
Adj_FaceSide = 0.4
 

 

This is not working at all for me when I put those in the y trans and the other it makes the hair go way off of a4s head? maybe I am doing something wrong I don't know but its not working for me.
Mitzi

Ok well I will check the settings when I get home this afternoon.

Thank you its really appreciated :)

Neyjour,
The product link you sent, it says there are fits for David, Hiro, Aiko and Victoria.  Just curious, your trying to put it on another figure?

I only ask because I do have hair packages from SWAM and enjoy them.  And I do like the Anime Hair you're talking about.  This issue with hidden dials confuses me though ...

Good Luck,
Rªnce

Rance01, I'm not sure what you're confused about exactly...

The Tran and Scale dials are hidden.  You have to use a script to un-hide them.  Once you've done that, you'll be able to use the Tran dials, but the Scale dials still cannot be used.  They're broken.

At first it seemed this was a "mistake" that had slipped through the testing process, and even after someone sent in a ticket about it, DAZ couldn't be bothered to fix it.  But now it looks like it was done intentionally.

There's more info about this in the thread over at the DAZ forums:
Anime Hair doesn't have Tran or Scale dials??

Sorry guys I did a major typo :blushing: when I gave you those settings, it should read....

xTrans = 0
yTrans = 285.72**
zTrans =** 16.136**
Fit_Aiko = 2
Adj_forehead = 0.2
Adj_Neck = -0.434 (note neg)
Adj_FaceSide = 0.4**

Thanks Neyjour.  That clears everything up.  I do see now you're working with V4.  My suggestion (above) was the same as 'michy's' over at DAZ ...

I like the look of the hair product but the whole unhide dial thing seems really stupid to me and I don't think I want to be bothered.  I grabbed the script sometime ago when it came up here but haven't been so sorely tempted to purchase V4 yet.  So far I don't have any of these new DAZ models.

Best Wishes,
Rªnce

Did anyone else see this little gem? Arguably one of the most idiotic statements possible:

>> QA would still have to bow to the decision of the artist, since technically, it's not a problem if the scale dials are hidden, because they are not meant to be used

Uh, right.........

Quote - Sorry guys I did a major typo :blushing: when I gave you those settings, it should read....

xTrans = 0
yTrans = 285.72**
zTrans =** 16.136**
Fit_Aiko = 2
Adj_forehead = 0.2
Adj_Neck = -0.434 (note neg)
Adj_FaceSide = 0.4**

Thanks Anniebel. I will check those out this morning :)

Quote - > Quote - Sorry guys I did a major typo :blushing: when I gave you those settings, it should read....

xTrans = 0
yTrans = 285.72**
zTrans =** 16.136**
Fit_Aiko = 2
Adj_forehead = 0.2
Adj_Neck = -0.434 (note neg)
Adj_FaceSide = 0.4**

Thanks Anniebel. I will check those out this morning :)

hmm still not getting these to work for me. Everytime I do them again the hair is way off of the head :(