WHAT..... THE..... HELL???!!!!?!?!?!

I would fire them all.  Seriously, I buy things here boasting that DS mats are included and they don't work??  Or they're just plain garbage created by Poser scrips that look like major crap rendered.

Do testers actually test products here?  Seriously, I'm asking.

Sorry guys, I just spent quite a few hours searching for this simple problem that's blocking the DS body mat from working at all  It was a Poser texture script with : instead of /, and an added " after .jpg" on a couple of texture lines.  Also correcting all the lines adding Runtime to "/Textures/(vendor name)/(product name)/(name).jpg" to the body mat as well as all the other mats.

That is... after I told the vendor that the mats aren't working, and (said vendor) gave me an update.  I tried them again and just gritted my teeth.  Yes, same problems, nothing updated.  When I found these idiotic Poser text scripts inbeded in DS mats in Notepad++, I sat there laughing and swearing to vendors who cheat like this and swearing to them DOGDAMN testers who don't give a crap about either DS people or anyone.  I swear, DS customers get the low end of deal here, no wonder people say "DS sucks and can't render", 'cause people that don't know how to set up DS mats end up rendering these so called "DS enabled" products, ending up with crappy renders.

I'm getting tired of buying things here only to find out I have to spend hours re-doing DS mats so I can use them later, it really sucks.

Lame...

I wish I could disagree but I can't, I buy only certain things from here; there are some vendors who do do very good DS mats but they are in the minority.

I don't think Renderosity or its vendors think they need DS users and DS users have got so use to fixing mats etc themselves its considered exceptable to push out untested and poor products.

it's a pain most of the time to buy cool lookin stuff that when you load up the things and the DS mats either look crappy or have seams that they don't in poser or you have to hunt for the textures.  i personally usually remake the mats from the textures myself with my own texture tricks so that it's still their texture but it looks like the poser renders coming from a daz program.  i only use the new mats for my own personal use and in my renders and normally i don't tell anyone i've done anything unless like one vendor asked that i show off what i could do with his skin to make it look more like  a poser render since he doesn't use daz.

lol, I should just start telling off these bad vibes in renders and load them here, and say "this is from so and so, it says it's got DS mats, but it came with crap (or) but it came with mat files that don't work", then do the credit thing which will be on their product pages.  That'll show 'em.

Hell, I've even inspected a non-working file and to my horror it was mostly copied/pasted Poser lines.  Crap no wonder it didn't work!!  And they've been tested? lol goodness.

I agree with tparo, there are some vendors who do great work here, and I strongly support them (unfortunately most people do products I don't care for).  The thing is, if they're gonna say "DS mats included" or "DS supported", it had better support and look good in DS like it does in Poser.  And we better see some promos done in DS.  Hell, they don't have to exactly match, but just look good where people don't have to spend hundreds of hours setting things up before they can render (or use them later).  And if they don't know how to run the program and make 'em look good, look for someone who can.  I've helped numberous vendors and they were very happy with my work.

But if they don't want to do neither, simply don't support DS.  Beats being dishonest and making themselves a "bad vibe" vendor.

Rendo's not the only place though, we get a bunch of flat looking (no specular/no bumpy) things at Daz3D as well, a lot!  I got in trouble there for narking them off lol.

It's gotten to the stage where I just don't buy anything any more, unless it's something I really want, as I seem to spend most of my time fixing the crap that lot (points at venders) sell.
Bad DS mats isn't really an issue for me as I tend to bin most of them any way, and I've gotten used to the low res textures & shit bump maps (greyscale is** NOT** a bump map).

It's the other stuff that annoys me, displacement maps that look like transmaps, way to much negative displacement in them for DS, it causes the mesh to shink inwards away from the normals, so they end up in PS to get fixed (change the black to medium grey), I'm ham-fisted in there at the best of times so you can guess the usual outcome :cursing: .

Then there's the usual round of editing of the Poser files themselves, fixing the ERC so the root dials will actually work, and sometimes having to renaming the valueParms so the superconforming works (Posers crosstalk still scares many venders), and that's on top of removing joint parameters that shouldn't be there.

Oh and watch out for anything that says 'Smart morphs', DS hates them and usually breaks the morphs, especially if they are in a .PMD.

Now you know why so many DS users only buy from DAZ, their content will still work in P4/PP which is what DS was designed to use.

If Poser vendors had no interest in Daz products they would simply not make them available to Daz users, In fact quite a few categorically state which of their products are suitable or not!

OK, so you have some dodgy Mats.........but, hey the vendor gave it a go based on what they thought was right......or, they simply made a mistake to begin with.

Maybe if you explained in detail to this particular vendor where they went wrong they may not make the same mistake again.

I don't use Poser but, all the vendors I have come in contact with at Rendo have shown more than a keen interest to get their products to work for me.  I have not had any bad experiences and the staff will always except refunds based on unsatisified customer complaints......In the past I have purchased unsuitable non-Daz products and been fully reimbursed.

We all make mistakes now and then.

Its important to let the store know (store@renderosity.com) if you cont. to have problems with products in the MP. It doesn't matter if it is Poser or Daz, all products should work as said. Like kylumi said, in most cases once you contact the vendor they should work with you and have the problem fixed. Please make sure you let the MP know any problems, posting them here in the Daz forum won't be seen by the MP staff.

Also, you are welcome to yell at me anytime if you have problems. I'll do what I can :)

Well, I contacted the vendor (I always do and yes I agree, I've never had bad experience with their feedbacks/fixes), explained the problem including what he had in his texture lines (lines starting with "textures/....) and he gave me what he already updated..... blindfolded... they all still had that problem.  I can say that's my first bad experience.  Either (said vendor) didn't care or (said vendor) really didn't know what to do (so I'm gonna send my fix up for the product to be updated).

My major complaint is the worthless Renderosity testers.  And I'm gonna email Renderosity on this.

I understand. I'll bring it up as well. :)

Thank you very much, Kim, that is much appreciated :)  I just emailed them (with a professional attitude lol).

Your welcome. lol good to hear :P

Do Poser renders really look better than DAZStudio ones?  Mats aside.  Getting away from the default lighting and render settings in DS goes along way to better renders, but sadly will not fix improperly coded mat files.

I am thinking about dropping Poser entirely since DAZ came out with DS 4 Pro.  Well not entirely, it will still hold the runtime that I store stuff in to use in DS 4 Pro.

The Reality plug in is also good for increasing the quality of your renders in DS.

It's all in the matter of experience and what's available.  I've seen quite a few pretty bad Poser renders as well.  For me, my renders in Poser would look worse then in DS, 'cause I have lots of experience in DS.  But not that worse off 'cause shaders and light sets, which gets all the attention, are ready to load and render, whereas in DS, you have to have experience to set proper shaders and lights yourself  'cause most of them don't look good.  I gotta say though, since Genesis came out and more vendors have been actually opening and using DS and getting experienced in it, character settings have been looking better in some products.

Yes, Lux renders (Reality is only a converter) look remarkably better then both renders, Reality does a good job (especially Reality 2) in converting surfaces from DS.

...wolfie

Yes, I reall like Reality and the the latest version supports animation.  Nice avatar btw.

Quote - Nice avatar btw.

Thanks a lot!  That's actually the second time someone mentioned about my avatar.  That's me playing the harmonica in karaoke (with my own music background) at a bar I used to hang out a few years back.  What fond memories, the place was known as "the place where everyone know's your name", where 75% of the people there were "usuals".  You know you're gonna  hear your name as soon as you open the door, and have a great time :)  Pool playing (billiards) was the best, and I've always held that tradition to my heart (a harmonica player and a shark on the table) lol. That's the thing I miss when I quit drinking :(

The bar was called "Blinker Tavern", it was named in the old days (50's or 60's) when they had a blinking stop light on their street.  There was a wonderful lady I was very close to named Sabrina... thus my character's name, Sabrina Blinker (here in the marketplace).

When I was younger I used to hang out in bars looking for Mrs. Right.  Then I realized that  I was not going to find Mrs. Right in a bar.  The only woman I ever found in a bar was Miss Behaving.

hehehe!....and, the only one I found was Miss Hap!....when I was actually looking for Miss Used.