I really hope you'll stick around, Snarly.  I'll mail you regarding keeping in touch, should you decide to leave.

I am normally take most things in my stride and I am usually try to be positive but am really struggling here as I think we have probably lost too many good people to turn this forum around.

I saddens me to say that as I have learnt so much from this forum but you really can't have a fun, exciting and stimulating place when there appears to be a constant stream of ill conceived site upgrades for no apparent reason at all.  What small improvements that have been made are lost in a mire of problems and bad design.

I also find it hard to accept that there can be such a massive difference depending on what browser you use.  I accept that a lot of people would not touch IE under any circumstances but, despite that, it is still used by many, and parts of the site are very difficult to use with IE.

When people leave because they are upset by certain posts there is a limited amount that site admin can do to stop that, you cannot please everyone.  When people stop using a forum because they find it too frustrating to use something can be done providing there is the will to do so.  Rightly or wrongly that will has, in my view, been lacking for quite a while now. 

I also find it hard to accept that there can be such a massive difference depending on what browser you use.  I accept that a lot of people would not touch IE under any circumstances but, despite that, it is still used by many, and parts of the site are very difficult to use with IE. 

There is good reason people will not touch IE, and with windows 10, Microsoft have ditched the brand as they move to a new browser (http://www.ubergizmo.com/2015/01/project-spartan-is-the-new-windows-10-browser/) the problem is that there can be a massive difference depending on your browser. Some pages won't display correctly in some browsers, some won't display at all. The culprit? bad page design, incomplete / non-existant cross browser processing, etc. So that begs the question, since IE11 will not be supported any longer, What "new and exciting changes will become part of the forum that has become the bane of so many people?"

People became disillusioned with the Renderosity forum design (and by extension, with renderosity) And as they (rightly) felt, that their concerns were not being addressed, and were even being completely ignored, people began to drift away.

Then, add to that, the constant hijacking of poser threads by DAZ fans with the "genesis is your solution to everything." mentality, people were getting upset that they could no longer engage in a meaningful discussion and began to drift away.

 
I myself, do not often participate in the forum because, for the most part, I don't deal well with stupidity, and sadly, I find the obnoxious, bullyboy tactics employed by a select few to be immature, ignorant and stupid.

Say what you will, there can be no doubt that the forum has suffered greatly because the design team (or their bosses) seem to think that it does not matter if they treat their customers concerns as irrelevant,

 

I guess it is not very surprising that many of the people that have left or are leaving complained about the site and nothing was done about it.

Sort of goes against letting people know so they will fix it. A lot of people complained about it, and little was done to correct it.

With thread after thread of people complaining about it, the powers that be must already know about it.

This used to be a great forum... Now it has turned into what someone else thinks you should have and think....

Forums are for the users, and someone has forgotten that..

I am quite curious what people think are the issues with the forums. I am not noticing much difference and I have been coming here daily for quite a few years.

Over the years, I'm yet to see a forum change that people actually liked.... then they eventually get used to it and few years later a new one comes along, then that is the one everyone hates.
Its having to change and get used to new stuff that most people hate, especially when it is imposed on them.

I've hated every site redesign since they had the blue-gray one years and years ago ;). Was the easiest one on my eyeballs.

Let's face it - this forum has a lot more problems than the site design. I think it's everything together that is making it unbearable for some people, present company included. I don't come here much anymore, most of it due to real life, but a lot of it also due to just don't wanna see it anymore. I go days and sometimes weeks without even looking in the forum when I used to come here every day. You may take all that with a grain of salt - my half-life for most forums is between 5-7 years, then I leave for 3-5 years - and I'm overdue ;).

Laurie

Yeah. I was thinking that might be much of the issue.

And hi Laurie :)

Hi Big-i buddy...lol :)

Laurie

I am quite curious what people think are the issues with the forums. I am not noticing much difference and I have been coming here daily for quite a few years.

As I have already stated some of the difference is, at lease, down to the browser you use.  Very often I used to give vendor credits when I uploaded to the gallery but it stopped working and, if you are user IE it still does not work today.  It was only when I mentioned it on the forum that Bagginsbill replied it was fine for him and he was using Goggle Chrome.  Sure enough it works in Chrome so I have to remember to use that when I up  load.  Other issues were the bad use of colours so that it the forum was hard to read, not helped by the fact that there were large spaces in each of the pages.  The page numbering system has an issue with long threads.  It may be fixed now but doing a cut and paste in the forum meant you lost all your previous typing.  Avatars when from square to round, minor point but some of the avatars did not work well.  Other changes like you had to remember to tick if you want to be notified if someone replies.  Response are easily lost in the quotes if you are not careful and the wording in signatures appeared to be part of every response.   There was difficulty posting images in responses as well.

Now remember all this just happened over a few weekends without any warning as far as I can see.  RDNA upgraded their forum but the shut it and told everyone that it was going to be shut.  It re-opened and, short of a few niggles that were quickly fixed, it works well.  You can now add a quick thank you at the click of a mouse.  Advanced response makes the distinction between quote and response very clear and it gives quick access to emoticons.  It appears to be 5 - 10 years in advance of this forum and now people are leaving, going in to lurk mode or only visiting on rare occasions. 

I am not against Daz or Genesis and I do not think that they should be banned from the Poser forum but, it has become almost impossible to have a question in the Poser forum without it finishing up with the same Gensis/Daz argument.  Now to a large degree that is not Rendo's fault and other forums have the same problem, but the end result for me was that I had little interest in well over half of the threads in the Poser forum with the result I came here less.  I suspect that may be due to the contributors I was interested in leaving and thus the anti Poser crowd became a bigger percentage of the people active in the forum. 

I am not sure of the other forums here but the Poser one appears to be a shadow of what it once was and that is the biggest change for me.

I apologise for being so negative as I normally try hard not to be but, you did ask. 

Over the years, I'm yet to see a forum change that people actually liked.... then they eventually get used to it and few years later a new one comes along, then that is the one everyone hates.
Its having to change and get used to new stuff that most people hate, especially when it is imposed on them.

I think you missed the point by a wide margin here, people are not going to get used to this change, they are already leaving/have left, nothing to get used to if you no longer frequent the forums.

Over the years, I'm yet to see a forum change that people actually liked.... then they eventually get used to it and few years later a new one comes along, then that is the one everyone hates.
Its having to change and get used to new stuff that most people hate, especially when it is imposed on them.

I think you missed the point by a wide margin here, people are not going to get used to this change, they are already leaving/have left, nothing to get used to if you no longer frequent the forums.

Not to mention the inability to understand that teaching Poser users how to use the material room with the new limitations is nothing more than an exercise in futility. This is not about change - it's about being shown the door because what you try to do for the community has been made impossible.

The issues on this redesign are plenty, but the "KIDSCHOOL" style, could be forgiven if you could actually search, or include attachments (have either of those things even been addressed?) or quote properly so that you could see who was being quoted, a myriad of minuscule hurdles, will eventually grow into an insurmountable object if they are not  dealt with as and when they arise, that, is exactly what happened here.

Thanks, I am really not seeing much of a change so maybe I am cached or something. Thanks for the responses.

ok I think I deleted everything, I will ask them to give me cancel the account, goodbye and good luck...

I'm still baffled as to why people would go to the trouble of cancelling their account instead of just turning off e mail notifications and not reading the Forum, as you lose access to your purchases, but to each his own... :/

I'm still baffled as to why people would go to the trouble of cancelling their account instead of just turning off e mail notifications and not reading the Forum, as you lose access to your purchases, but to each his own... :/

Maybe if they are disgruntled they are trying to make a point.  If that is the reason, and it is only supposition on my part, I don't think it will have much effect on the powers that be. It is however sad to see do many go.  Like you I would just shut down the notifications and stop coming here and that despite the fact I have multiple backups of my purchases.

That's pretty much what I've done over at DAZ. Except I do post occasionally if I need to ask something and I do buy something if I really like it. Otherwise I rarely go there except to redownload a file.

What worries me most is "who" is going.

Geep, BB, Snarly?

Man, those are the hearts and souls of POSER.

That are  ome of the most motivated and most capable and most helpfull guys around.

Comapred to those? I feel very-very-very small.

Realy, it hurst so see them go.

Les Bentley has been gone for many months, too.  I sent him a site mail a couple of months ago and it was never read; I hope nothing happened to him... :( les  ... i miss the old goblin 

Hello folks ... I feel your frustration ... and experience myself.  I am communicating with the powers that be and hopefully we can resolve this.  This is not going on deaf ears, I assure you all.

Boni

Hello all,

First, just to say that I am also missing LesBentley comments and suggestions.

About the Renderosity site changes, it is like other changes in softwares, adaptation is the rule even it the changes apparently make things worse that before. For example, I hate many changes that Microsoft have done in the their operating system over the year, but nothing to do. Adaptation should be a smooth intelligent process where you try to limit the bad effect of changes on persons that are not related to the problem. So, don't leave the site, just be less active and guide persons toward your preferred site. On a long term basis, this will have an unexpected effect. Remember, freestuff, forums, gallery, etc, are a way to do business (Check all the banner when you move around the Rendersosity site). Now, I will look at other sites but without leaving this one. There are still good things here.

Allstereo 

That's pretty much what I've done over at DAZ. Except I do post occasionally if I need to ask something and I do buy something if I really like it. Otherwise I rarely go there except to redownload a file.

I did the same at Daz, my account is live, well I think it is I have not logged in for three years.  As to Renderosity they appear to be going through a hard patch, not entirely of their own making.  The changes to the site and the forum were not well received and now there are a lot of people who have already left or are leaving and others are not contributing as much.  The end result is that the Poser forum has certainly become less interesting.   There are other problems that still exist some to do with browsers and other problems crop up from time to time, such as here were I have had to move to Goggle Chrome to get the quote button to work as it has suddenly stopped working in IE.

Add to the mix the fact that there was breach in the order process for around five weeks when a number of users had their credit card details stolen and it has not been a good time here for some users recently, me included.  In fairness to Renderosity they did find the breach and came clean about it so credit to them for that but it really could not have happened at a worse time for Rendo.

I still come here on a regular basis as my post prove but i am finding less and less reason to do so as time goes on.

Even if I weren't staff, if I ever decided to leave I wouldn't delete my account for precisely the reason WandW gave, so I could retain access to my purchase history. I rarely go to RDNA but a couple times I have needed to redownload one of my purchases from there, and I have a good deal more purchased from here than there.

Even if I weren't staff, if I ever decided to leave I wouldn't delete my account for precisely the reason WandW gave, so I could retain access to my purchase history. I rarely go to RDNA but a couple times I have needed to redownload one of my purchases from there, and I have a good deal more purchased from here than there.

Honestly, I don't see the point in deleting your account. Just stop posting and reading if you don't like what's being said. You gonna quit all the forums? Because the same people that post here, probably post somewhere else, too.

A point is if you make a lot of cool stuff for people and they try to talk to you using your Rendo account PMs, but you're not even looking anymore, then they're going to think you're an asshole for not answering.

So if you don't want people to think they can contact you with an account, you need to delete the account.

I'm not saying that's why Snarly is doing it. I'm saying that a valid point came to mind - wasn't that far fetched to come up with one.

I just noticed that I only have one opportunity to click the Language content advisory. Once the post is made, if you try to edit the post so you can update the advisory, it isn't offered.

A point is if you make a lot of cool stuff for people and they try to talk to you using your Rendo account PMs, but you're not even looking anymore, then they're going to think you're an asshole for not answering.

So if you don't want people to think they can contact you with an account, you need to delete the account.

I'm not saying that's why Snarly is doing it. I'm saying that a valid point came to mind - wasn't that far fetched to come up with one.

I suppose that's a good point, BB. I never really think about my sitemail much anymore. There used to be some notification to let you know when you had sitemail. I almost never see that notification anymore, so I only rarely even think of checking my sitemail.

A point is if you make a lot of cool stuff for people and they try to talk to you using your Rendo account PMs, but you're not even looking anymore, then they're going to think you're an asshole for not answering.

So if you don't want people to think they can contact you with an account, you need to delete the account.

I'm not saying that's why Snarly is doing it. I'm saying that a valid point came to mind - wasn't that far fetched to come up with one.

Very valid point and one I had not thought of, but then I have never produced any cool stuff so my brain would not been in that mode.   I can however, see that someone in your position, or Snarly's , would see that as a good reason.

Can you block certain people from sending you sitemail? I mean, seems like if you put them on ignore, they shouldn't be able to circumvent that by sending you sitemail.

I am glad this has come up. With ctrl-scrollwheel you can zoom into and out of webpages and if you do that on a forum it goes weird and it really hard to read. For ages I thought this is what happened to Rendo and I kept zooming in and out and obviously could never find the point where it looked right.