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Subject: Poser 11.2 - Upgrade or not?
SamTherapy posted at 6:32PM Fri, 27 September 2019 - #4364440
Anyone installed the latest verision update yet? I got a notification - through Poser - that a new one was available.
I also saw that earlier, but the Downloads page has been giving me a 404 error, so haven't been able to check for any further updates.
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OK so you are saying that you DO NOT have a Kinect? Or you DO have a Kinect that you cannot get to work?
I do not have a Kinect and I am not seeing that error message, so I'm just trying to determine why you are getting it.
Not being a Python guru I can't comment much on that one, but I suspect maybe there were updates to Python itself that cause WW not to work in the latest version of Python.
Deecey posted at 5:47PM Fri, 27 September 2019 - #4364483
OK so you are saying that you DO NOT have a Kinect? Or you DO have a Kinect that you cannot get to work?
I do not have a Kinect and I am not seeing that error message, so I'm just trying to determine why you are getting it.
Not being a Python guru I can't comment much on that one, but I suspect maybe there were updates to Python itself that cause WW not to work in the latest version of Python.
I'm saying there is a folder in Poser within Python, within the addons folder that is called "KinectCapture". And until that folder is deleted, I'm going to continue to get error messages telling me :
As for the Pythonshell, as far as I'm concerned, without Wardrobe Wizard, it's useless.
Yes and what I am trying to say is, I also have a Kinect Capture folder in the Python Addons folder, and I don't have a Kinect. I am not seeing this error message you speak of.
I'm assuming that you don't have a Kinect at this point because you mention it's OK to delete the folder. But the mystery is why you are getting the error in the first place.
I know you mentioned you have reinstalled a number of times, but did you ever use an uninstall program like Geek Uninstaller (or Revo Uninstaller) to remove everything from the registry? Or, do you have another version of Poser installed on your system that could be interfering somehow? Those are the only things I can think of that would cause unexpected errors like this.
Deecey posted at 6:33PM Fri, 27 September 2019 - #4364497
Yes and what I am trying to say is, I also have a Kinect Capture folder in the Python Addons folder, and I don't have a Kinect. I am not seeing this error message you speak of.
I'm assuming that you don't have a Kinect at this point because you mention it's OK to delete the folder. But the mystery is why you are getting the error in the first place.
I know you mentioned you have reinstalled a number of times, but did you ever use an uninstall program like Geek Uninstaller (or Revo Uninstaller) to remove everything from the registry? Or, do you have another version of Poser installed on your system that could be interfering somehow? Those are the only things I can think of that would cause unexpected errors like this.
I don't have any other Kinect files, folders or programs and only have the current version of Poser installed. As for the registry, I use a program called CCleaner that cleans the registry. Everytime I've uninstalled Poser I've run it and it's cleaned out ALOT of registry files connected to Poser.
The only thing I can think of is ... I have CCleaner too. I don't recall using it after uninstalling Poser, as I typically use Revo Uninstaller to search for registry entries that are left behind.
I had some problems during the beta when I was trying to install the beta side by side with the last official release of Poser. And I was having difficulties as well. Even when trying to uninstall the beta release with Revo. Finally, once it was confirmed that the beta was solid and close to release I deleted the previous SM released version and attempted to install just 11.2 as the ONLY version of Poser on my computer. Not over the previous release. Clean install. EXCEPT I made a backup copy of the Python scripts and stuff I had installed. I didn't care about the prefs and stuff, I just started fresh on those.
Well, even using Revo Uninstaller there were some things left behind that were wreaking havoc. So I tried Geek Uninstaller (it's free) and it found some files in a folder that Revo missed and then I was able to install a completely clean version of 11.2.
So MAYBE ... just MAYBE ... you can give it one more try and use Geek Uninstaller and see if (at least) the Kinect error goes away.
https://geekuninstaller.com/
Deecey posted at 7:51PM Fri, 27 September 2019 - #4364503
The only thing I can think of is ... I have CCleaner too. I don't recall using it after uninstalling Poser, as I typically use Revo Uninstaller to search for registry entries that are left behind.
I had some problems during the beta when I was trying to install the beta side by side with the last official release of Poser. And I was having difficulties as well. Even when trying to uninstall the beta release with Revo. Finally, once it was confirmed that the beta was solid and close to release I deleted the previous SM released version and attempted to install just 11.2 as the ONLY version of Poser on my computer. Not over the previous release. Clean install. EXCEPT I made a backup copy of the Python scripts and stuff I had installed. I didn't care about the prefs and stuff, I just started fresh on those.
Well, even using Revo Uninstaller there were some things left behind that were wreaking havoc. So I tried Geek Uninstaller (it's free) and it found some files in a folder that Revo missed and then I was able to install a completely clean version of 11.2.
So MAYBE ... just MAYBE ... you can give it one more try and use Geek Uninstaller and see if (at least) the Kinect error goes away.
https://geekuninstaller.com/
Just ran Geek uninstaller and it didn't find anything. Then I ran CCleaner for the registry and it found a whole page of stuff. Cleaning it out now.
Deecey posted at 7:56PM Fri, 27 September 2019 - #4364503
The only thing I can think of is ... I have CCleaner too. I don't recall using it after uninstalling Poser, as I typically use Revo Uninstaller to search for registry entries that are left behind.
I had some problems during the beta when I was trying to install the beta side by side with the last official release of Poser. And I was having difficulties as well. Even when trying to uninstall the beta release with Revo. Finally, once it was confirmed that the beta was solid and close to release I deleted the previous SM released version and attempted to install just 11.2 as the ONLY version of Poser on my computer. Not over the previous release. Clean install. EXCEPT I made a backup copy of the Python scripts and stuff I had installed. I didn't care about the prefs and stuff, I just started fresh on those.
Well, even using Revo Uninstaller there were some things left behind that were wreaking havoc. So I tried Geek Uninstaller (it's free) and it found some files in a folder that Revo missed and then I was able to install a completely clean version of 11.2.
So MAYBE ... just MAYBE ... you can give it one more try and use Geek Uninstaller and see if (at least) the Kinect error goes away.
https://geekuninstaller.com/
reinstalled and relaunched. Those error messages came up faster than the rest of the program.
I wish that there was something somewhere that listed the contents of each of the content downloads. I really don't want to be downloading anything that I already have or do not want, if possible. Alternatively, can anyone who has downloaded the content tell me whether the contents of the five .zip archives beginning with the name "PoserPremiumContent" represents entirely new content, different from that previously downloaded with the original installation of Poser 11 Pro? I hate to waste Gigabytes of bandwidth unnecessarily. Any insight would be appreciated, thanks.
Miscreate posted at 9:45AM Sat, 28 September 2019 - #4364541
I wish that there was something somewhere that listed the contents of each of the content downloads. I really don't want to be downloading anything that I already have or do not want, if possible. Alternatively, can anyone who has downloaded the content tell me whether the contents of the five .zip archives beginning with the name "PoserPremiumContent" represents entirely new content, different from that previously downloaded with the original installation of Poser 11 Pro? I hate to waste Gigabytes of bandwidth unnecessarily. Any insight would be appreciated, thanks.
It was my understanding that the "Legacy" files were all the original content. The "Premium" files are all new stuff- Dawn, Dusk, Baby Luna and so one- their basic clothes and textures, some poses and morphs.
Miscreate posted at 11:45AM Sat, 28 September 2019 - #4364571
Thanks, md. I guess I'll haul it all down and see what there is. There do seem to be readme files included that list the content of each. Posting that somewhere would be helpful. Maybe I'll do it when I'm done. Thanks for the response.
You're welcome.
Miscreate posted at 1:01PM Sat, 28 September 2019 - #4364592
OK, here's a bit of a technical question that has arisen after I installed the update to 11.2. Does the Smith Micro Download Manager any longer serve any purpose? Is it still being used by the program and re-directing to the Bondware servers, or can it safely be blown away?
It was my understanding that all the smith micro ties would be broken with the first new update. I deleted my copy of SMDLM and I've never had any problems from that quarter.
Miscreate posted at 2:06PM Sat, 28 September 2019 - #4364592
OK, here's a bit of a technical question that has arisen after I installed the update to 11.2. Does the Smith Micro Download Manager any longer serve any purpose? Is it still being used by the program and re-directing to the Bondware servers, or can it safely be blown away?
I trashed mine. No problems so far and as I never use it, eh.
mdbruffy posted at 2:07PM Sat, 28 September 2019 - #4364593
Miscreate posted at 1:01PM Sat, 28 September 2019 - #4364592
OK, here's a bit of a technical question that has arisen after I installed the update to 11.2. Does the Smith Micro Download Manager any longer serve any purpose? Is it still being used by the program and re-directing to the Bondware servers, or can it safely be blown away?
It was my understanding that all the smith micro ties would be broken with the first new update. I deleted my copy of SMDLM and I've never had any problems from that quarter.
Correct. The Smith Micro DLM is no longer necessary.
Deecey posted at 1:22PM Sat, 28 September 2019 - #4364599
mdbruffy posted at 2:17PM Sat, 28 September 2019 - #4364578
Is it still available as a stand alone? It started out that way.
The only thing I see on his site are the figure addons
Damn. That was so much easier than the fitting room or the cloth room. guess I'll have to invest in EviIinnodence's cross-dresser then. It sounds like the next closest thing.
Well, for anyone interested in what is included in the additional free downloadable content, here's my summary:
AdditionalContent_Ghostman-AfroditeOhki.zip Ghostman Wok Pans Ghostman MrDoodle Ghostman DoodleBoo AfroditeOhki SingleBasics (Turtleneck)
HiveWire3D_BabyLuna.zip Baby Luna figure, plus textures, morphs, poses, clothing items, and creature heads
HiveWire3D_DawnBaseContent.zip Dawn starter morphs, poses and clothing
HiveWire3D_DawnBaseFigureAndTextures.zip Dawn Second Edition figure, plus textures
HiveWire3D_DuskBaseContentAndGorilla.zip Dusk Special Edition figure, plus basic morphs, poses, clothing, hair and the gorilla character
HiveWire3D_DuskBaseTextures.zip Dusk Special Edition Textures
HiveWire3D_Horse.zip Hivewire horse figure, textures and poses
La Femme_BonusContent_01.zip Romantic Dress for LaFemme by Tipol GCD Furniture - DesignLC4 by GrayCloud Design (LC4 Corbusier Chaise Lounge) Onyx Hair by Prae Eleanor Hair by Prae Cherry Dress by karanta Georgia Hair by Prae Femme Faces by outoftouch (4 character head morphs) Elf Clothing For LaFemme by Tipol Bennie Hair for V4/M4 by Prae
La Femme_BonusContent_02.zip CruX Sweet Rebel by Deecey and Rhiannon (Clothing) LaFemme Sportswear by Glitterati3D La Femme Closet 4 by 3DTubeMagic (Skirt and top) Girl Gear by Deecey (adventure outfit) Duplicate of Femme Faces by outoftouch Dynamic Tshirt by Gustaf Grefberg and HolyWonderWorld
PoserPremiumContent_3DScenery_01.zip Vincent´s Bedroom by Cybertenko Thatched Cottage Set by DryJack Octopus Ride by Simon-3d Romantic Bedroom by RPublishing Garden Fireplace by RPublishing Deco Locker Room by RPublishing Indoor Pool Spa by RPublishing Home Economics Classroom by Imaginary House Fantasy Pool by RPublishing Desert land: Props by RPublishing Dark Cemetary by RPublishing Canyon 2 by hameleon AJ Villa by AppleJack AJ Tree House 2 by AppleJack AJ Futuristic Base 2 by AppleJack
PoserPremiumContent_3DScenery_02.zip RP Pole Barn by Dante78 Tropical place by JeffersonAF Toon Jungle by JeffersonAF 2016 The Great Lake by JeffersonAF 2019 Poser FX by JeffersonAF 2017 Ice World by JeffersonAF 2019 Bryce skies for Poser by JeffersonAF 2018 Metal Realm by Danie and marforno Meeting Point by Danie and marforno Mogul Fantasy by RPublishing Medieval Small Village Manor by Dante78 Medieval Small Village Derelict House by Dante78
PoserPremiumContent_3DScenery_03.zip Urban Decay Props Set by RPublishing Victorian Gift Shop by RPublishing My neighborhood by JeffersonAF 2018 Queens Landing by Danie and marforno Plants & Pots by Sveva Moroccan Dream by BlueTreeStudio Flinks Mossy Rocks by Flink Flinks Flowers - Flower 3 - Daisy Fleabane by Flink Flinks Bushes 1 by Flink Duplicate of Blue Tree Studio Catalogue by BlueTreeStudio 3D Scenery: Dryland Expanse by ShaaraMuse3D and HWW
PoserPremiumContent_Figures.zip Unidwarf figure by RPublishing Raffael figure by 3Dream Mr. Bones figure by Cybertenko Maisie 1.0, Toon Female figure by Deecey and Nerd3D Maisie Dancer outfit and braids by Deecey and Nerd3D Bloop figure by Simon-3d Angel for Maisie character by Tempesta3d
PoserPremiumContent_PropsAndTransportation.zip The Black Triangle by Simon-3d (Alien craft) Snow Truck by Schurby (Snow plough) Fantasy Shields by RPublishing Fantasy Spears by RPublishing & muwawya Wolf Poser by JeffersonAF (helicopter) Posing Stuff by hameleon (Scene props and backdrop) Medieval Siege Tower by Dante78 Medieval Battering Ram by Dante78 Hadenman Cruiser by Simon-3d (Sci-fi space craft) FTractor by Schurby (Farm tractor) FantasyWeapons3 by RPublishing CV by BlueTreeStudio (Camper Van) BUGATTI 57S CORSICA by 3DClassics Budget Small Cars by willyb53 (Mazda 3 and a Mits Lancer) and, Blue Tree Studio Catalogue by BlueTreeStudio (A whole bunch of stuff, which includes ZOMBIE CONTAINMENT SUPERVILLAIN LAIR 1 MODULAR MANSION 1: THE HALLWAY SANTA'S WORLD CRYOGENIC CHAMBER SUPERVILLAIN LAIR 2 THE WAR CHAMBER MODULAR MANSION 2: THE STUDY ALIEN HIVE THE CAVERN FUTURE CITY MODULAR MANSION 3: THE EAST WING FANTASY THRONE ROOM MODULAR MANSION 4: THE CONSERVATORY LAUNCH BAY VINTAGE CARAVAN VINTAGE CARAVAN UNBOUND LAUNCH BAY ULTIMA BESIDE THE SEASIDE CAFE CONTINENTAL BURLESQUE BOUDOIR MODULAR MANSION 5: THE KITCHENS DARK KINGDOM GATEWAY LITTLE CHIPTON FRANKENSTEIN'S LAIR MODULAR MANSION 6: THE DINING ROOM DARK KINGDOM ARENA WATERFRONT VICTORIAN STREET SURVEILLANCE HUB MODULAR THEATRE 1: STAGE/BACKSTAGE MODULAR THEATRE 2: AUDITORIUM MODULAR THEATRE 3: LOBBY/FACADE ALIEN CITY CASA ROSSO MODULAR MANSION 7: EN SUITE STEAMPUNK HARBOUR MUSEUM RAID COASTAL COTTAGE ARTIST'S STUDIO BONE TEMPLE MODULAR THEATRE CINEMA EXPANSION FAIRY VILLAGE 1 SUPERVILLAIN LAIR 3 MODULAR MANSION 8: THE NANNY'S ROOM ZOLTAR FORTUNE TELLER MINISTRY OF TRUTH UNDERSEA ADVENTURE THE LOST VALLEY SUPERHERO STREET THE TEA PARTY 221B BAKER STREET BEACH HUTS RAVEN'S PERCH FANTASY TAVERN RIVERSIDE TOWN CLARA BELLE CANAL BOAT MODULAR THEATRE SCENERY PACK VICTORIAN PARK POP ART PAD CITY GATES MODULAR MANSION 9: SERVANT QUARTERS FRENCH BAKERY CITY ZOO JUNGLE RUINS TIME AGENCY HARBOUR TOWN LAIR OF THE VAMPIRE BRIDE GHOST TRAIN MINISTRY OF PERSUASION MODULAR MANSION 10: CELLARS & GROUNDS HOUSE OF ESCHER BOUTIQUE BATTLE MECHS WINTER'S FAYRE FAIRYTALE BALLROOM THE STABLE VICTORIAN SQUARE STONE CIRCLE THE WIZARD'S HOUSE MODULAR SPACE STATION 1: COMMAND DECK STEAMPUNK SLUM DOWNING STREET FIRE MOUNTAIN GRAND HOTEL PART 1 GRAND HOTEL PART 2 GYPSY CARAVAN MODULAR SPACE STATION 2: SECURITY DECK TUNISIAN VILLAGE TRAVELLING CIRCUS SWAMP WORLD PARISIAN STREET WHITECHAPEL NEWSPAPER OFFICE TEMPLE OF ANUBIS BASEMENT BAR WITCH's HOUSE TYCOON'S OFFICE PALACE OF THE NILE SMUGGLERS' COVE WALLED GARDEN VINTAGE TV STUDIO VICTORIAN ARCADE VORTEX CHAMBER BRIDGE HOUSE OUTPOST THEMIS ICE CREAM VAN ATLANTIS RISING THE GYM CAPTAIN'S CABIN VICTORIAN RAILWAY LOCOMOTIVE VICTORIAN RAILWAY STATION HALL OF THE ILLUMINATI CREEPY CARNIVAL FAIRYTALE COTTAGE NINJUTSU CITY VICTORIAN MORGUE SPEAKEASY OCEANICA POLAR BASE STEAMPUNK GRAND STATION SUITE SEDUCTION VINTAGE CHRISTMAS SKI LODGE URBAN VAMPIRE MINISTRY OF JUSTICE RECORDING STUDIO CAMELOT OLD QUAYSIDE DESERT OASIS DINNER FOR TWO VENICE SECRET SUPERHERO BASE FASHION SHOW SKELLIG ISLAND CAMPER VAN WILD WEST WAGON )OBJ/DXF) TUNISIAN VILLAGE (OBJ/DXF) FLOWERS (2D PHOTOGRAPHIC) SPANISH VIEWS volume 1 (2D PHOTOGRAPHIC))
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Anyone who wants to be offline 100% of the time might have issue. I was informed by support that the new software will check online every few weeks for authorization.
My issue was fixed by treating the download like a patch instead of a fresh install. When I did the fresh install (no poser installed) it would give me that error pic I posted before. When I installed poser 11.0, then installed the patch over it, everything was fine. Support told me that "it is a full install" but when I treated it as such is when it would treat my system as if it were offline.
Anywho, so far it seems stable and I can use superfly with my RTX, which I could not do in 11.1x
DarksealStudios posted at 6:25PM Sat, 28 September 2019 - #4364636
Anywho, so far it seems stable and I can use superfly with my RTX, which I could not do in 11.1x
Really? That's good news, as I've been looking at options for a new computer, and I've been totally ignoring RTX, because of the issues everyone was having when rendering with SuperFly.
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I'm going to probably have a problem soon. I get my internet from my cable company and unfortunately I haven't been able to pay my cable bill for the last month. So I'm probably going to be taking a leave of absence from you nice folks for a while. I may still be able to get online from time to time with my laptop, so we'll see.
Sorry to hear that Earl. I hope things work out for you sooner, rather than later.
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DarksealStudios posted at 8:48PM Sat, 28 September 2019 - #4364636
Anyone who wants to be offline 100% of the time might have issue. I was informed by support that the new software will check online every few weeks for authorization.
My issue was fixed by treating the download like a patch instead of a fresh install. When I did the fresh install (no poser installed) it would give me that error pic I posted before. When I installed poser 11.0, then installed the patch over it, everything was fine. Support told me that "it is a full install" but when I treated it as such is when it would treat my system as if it were offline.
Anywho, so far it seems stable and I can use superfly with my RTX, which I could not do in 11.1x
That stinks. What if a storm knocks out your cable service? You should still be able to use Poser. Nobody asked to be tied to the internet.
It looks like a lot more stuff was included in the premium content. Always a good thing, even if I havent been able to sort through the ones already in there. :-)
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Miss B posted at 10:17PM Mon, 30 September 2019 - #4364651
DarksealStudios posted at 6:25PM Sat, 28 September 2019 - #4364636
Anywho, so far it seems stable and I can use superfly with my RTX, which I could not do in 11.1x
Really? That's good news, as I've been looking at options for a new computer, and I've been totally ignoring RTX, because of the issues everyone was having when rendering with SuperFly.
My GTX 1660Ti got error message when I try to render in SuperFly. Message Log show: "Warning : Error Rendering in SuperFly." "SuperFly: CUDA error at cuModuleLoad: No binary for GPU" sad......(>_<)
structure posted at 5:24PM Mon, 30 September 2019 - #4364575
PhilC has withdrawn Wardrobe Wizard from poser as he no longer wishes it to be bundled.
I just got off Facebook messenger with Phlic and he said that Renderosity- meaning Bondware- dropped it saying it was outdated. This is not right. WW is far easier to use than that stupid Cloth Room or the Fitting Room. It can be updated- he'd done so for years. Who do we talk to about getting this straightened out?
carrara_pat posted at 5:00PM Tue, 01 October 2019 - #4365239
I installed the new version of Poser Pro 11.2 How can I make it start up showing Andy the robot instead of the naked girt?
You have to set up a scene with Andy and then go to Edit- General Preferences and select "Launch to preferred scene" then click on "Set Preferred Scene". That will make sure Andy's there and waiting every time you launch Poser.
Geeze mdbruffy, you beat me too it. 
I usually save the scene as a StartupScene in my Scenes folder as well. That way I don't have to reset it up again, if necessary, at some point in the future.
Also, while editing the General Preferences, I also click on the Interface tab and select Launch to previous state. Just a little extra to make sure I get what I want at start up each time. Personally, I prefer an empty scene, but that's just me.
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Miss B posted at 5:33PM Tue, 01 October 2019 - #4365270
Geeze mdbruffy, you beat me too it.
I usually save the scene as a StartupScene in my Scenes folder as well. That way I don't have to reset it up again, if necessary, at some point in the future.
Also, while editing the General Preferences, I also click on the Interface tab and select Launch to previous state. Just a little extra to make sure I get what I want at start up each time. Personally, I prefer an empty scene, but that's just me.
Actually, I came expecting an answer to my earlier post about who to talk to about getting Wardrobe Wizard back in Poser:
"I just got off Facebook messenger with Phlic and he said that Renderosity- meaning Bondware- dropped it saying it was outdated. This is not right. WW is far easier to use than that stupid Cloth Room or the Fitting Room. It can be updated- he'd done so for years. Who do we talk to about getting this straightened out?"
carrara_pat posted at 7:17PM Tue, 01 October 2019 - #4365297
Thank you for your help mdbruffy and Miss B!!
You're welcome.
A_Sunbeam posted at 3:56AM Wed, 02 October 2019 - #4365352
Is this a Windows issue?
On my iMac I still have Wardrobe Wizard in my Poser (11.2). The required Python scripts are in the main runtime; all other runtime items are in the usr/shared/poserContents folder or in the separate runtimes on an external drive.
In 11.2.289 They took WW out. They said it was outdated when Philc's been updating it all along. It's far easier to use than the Cloth Room or the Fitting Room and it needs to be put back.
From what I understand, Phil asked them to remove it because he's out of 3D now, and won't be updating any of his products.
Whether, or not, someone on the dev team can pick it up and make it compatible with PP11.2, I have no idea. Maybe a support ticket will get you a faster response.
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Miss B posted at 3:09PM Wed, 02 October 2019 - #4365441
From what I understand, Phil asked them to remove it because he's out of 3D now, and won't be updating any of his products.
Whether, or not, someone on the dev team can pick it up and make it compatible with PP11.2, I have no idea. Maybe a support ticket will get you a faster response.
That's not what he told me. From my earlier post:
"I just got off Facebook messenger with Phlic and he said that Renderosity- meaning Bondware- dropped it saying it was outdated. This is not right. WW is far easier to use than that stupid Cloth Room or the Fitting Room. It can be updated- he'd done so for years. Who do we talk to about getting this straightened out?"
I sent a support ticket and got the same response I've been getting about the PythonShell- NONE.
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Deecey posted at 5:00PM Fri, 27 September 2019 - #4364475
I don't know the folder just says "KinectCapture". I'm not really concerned about that one- I'll just delete the folder and that'll stop the error messages. But I'm really burned about PythonShell. The whole reason I wanted it to work was so I'd have access to Wardrobe Wizard again. Only now I've been told on another thread that WW was dropped. I've always used WW- I've never gone near the fitting room. It's too involved. With WW all I had to do was load the .cr2 file, select who wore it and who I wanted to wear it and hit the convert button. The Fitting Room is like the Cloth Room and the Hair Room- way more involved than it needs to be.