HD doodles, and yes, that is LaFemme.....

It is the Daniel Hair that is in the new content for Lafemme and LaHomme, in the Lafemme hair directory.

I had to tweak it a lot to get it to fit my sculpt thou....

I added Ghostships textures to it, and the cap is hidden, completely transparent.

something a little more complex than my usual. enclosed room lit from windows by HDRI and a sun lamp + my photo flash light set for fill.

It is the Daniel Hair that is in the new content for Lafemme and LaHomme, in the Lafemme hair directory.

I had to tweak it a lot to get it to fit my sculpt thou....

I added Ghostships textures to it, and the cap is hidden, completely transparent.

Just taking Poser 13 for a spin. Full credits in my gallery. First image is using the new post effects options (a little bloom and some denoising); the second is raw.

Gen 4 boy?  What a wonderful render!  

Gen 4 boy?  What a wonderful render!  

something a little more complex than my usual. enclosed room lit from windows by HDRI and a sun lamp + my photo flash light set for fill.

Wow... not an easy exercise! Awesome...

Poser 13 tends to make you try and push the limits, while for me at least and boy do I have limits.

Oh my god... I tried the physical surface shader in P13. That's when I noticed the disastrous funnel-shaped iris on the toon character La Femme. That looks incredibly stupid...

Then don't look at the uvula, it's a pointy mess.  For a couple of my male characters I fleshed it out using the morph brush so that comes in as part of the head morph.  Makes one wonder if Blackhearted, when designing La'Femme was being lazy on the days he was doing the eyeballs and the Uvula!  LOL 

All Poser figures have awful eyes, as far as I can tell. That's why I invested in an anatomically correct eye model on CGTrader, which you can see in my render above. Superfly has really emphasized the flaws in the existing figures' eyes.

There is a Lh and Lf updated model being worked on.  Not sure where they are with the redesign but hopefully the are paying attention to thinks like eyeballs, uvula's and other little bits!  

The image below is a quick and dirty render of Miki 4 I've been using recently to test skin shaders.  I began wondering if I could incorporate AI in generating hair textures.  So the image below demonstrates that we can efficiently create hair textures, in any color, which includes displacement, normal, albedo, and roughness maps simultaneously.  Moss Green hair.

Same scene as before but inside.

Lovely work Hornet.

I bet she is studying which option she has to click on lol.

All Poser figures have awful eyes, as far as I can tell. That's why I invested in an anatomically correct eye model on CGTrader, which you can see in my render above. Superfly has really emphasized the flaws in the existing figures' eyes.

Liquid_Ice posted at 7:26 AM Mon, 17 April 2023 - #4462453

Lovely work Hornet.

I bet she is studying which option she has to click on lol.

I have always been well aware of the limitations with my computer art, I am limited by my own skill set, the ability of Poser, the content I can afford and the spec of the machine I use.  I am sure there are loads more but they are the main ones.  So the project is really to find where those limits are now, particularly with the opportunity afforded by Poser 13.  The shorter render times clearly make more complex scenes possible but what about content,  what is the limit on the render quality and is that limit a Poser limit or a Content limit or both.

To try an understand this a little more I have splashed out on some kits that are developed not only for the individual but also the likes of the game studios.  From the promos the quality is clearly improved on what I would use most of the time, but the big question is can I make them work in Poser 13 and what returns am I likely to see.  

These last few renders are the start of that journey and I am really pleased you liked the result.

Thalek posted at 9:56 AM Mon, 17 April 2023 - #4462460

Zaarin posted at 5:00 PM Sun, 16 April 2023 - #4462382

All Poser figures have awful eyes, as far as I can tell. That's why I invested in an anatomically correct eye model on CGTrader, which you can see in my render above. Superfly has really emphasized the flaws in the existing figures' eyes.

Any particular model? So, you hid the default eyes and put the replacements in?  The eyes have separate controls?

Yeah, I have the default eyes hidden, with the new eye parented to them so they inherit the moves of the original eyes. I have to manually place the eye each time I use it (someone better than me at these things could probably script it, but...), but I like the results. It's probably higher poly than the original eye part, but I don't find it kills performance. Long term I'd like to convert some of my existing eye textures for Caraesarpro's eye, but for the moment I've been using high-res iris textures by Carel5103 (also at CGTrader).

I couldn't render this scene on my GPU but it works on the CPU. The lady in the red dress is LaFemme, everyone else are older figures. Vicky 4, Mike 4 and the two lurking in the booth are Poser 4 LowRes figures. Image adjusted in PostFX with changes to exposure and gamma (I don't know what gamma is but when I tweaked the dial I thought it looked better).

Thalek posted at 9:56 AM Mon, 17 April 2023 - #4462460

Zaarin posted at 5:00 PM Sun, 16 April 2023 - #4462382

All Poser figures have awful eyes, as far as I can tell. That's why I invested in an anatomically correct eye model on CGTrader, which you can see in my render above. Superfly has really emphasized the flaws in the existing figures' eyes.

Any particular model? So, you hid the default eyes and put the replacements in?  The eyes have separate controls?

I use [url=https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/anatomy/photo]this one[/url] by Caraesarpro. You'll need to fiddle around in Blender to export the pupil dilation morph, but otherwise it plays nicely in Poser. I have PrincipledBSDF shaders on the sclera, iris, and "wet surface," with a Glass shader on the cornea, which properly bends the light into the iris (which, of course, is its purpose IRL). The latter requires rendering with refracting caustics or it will render too dark, but it looks great in practice.

Yeah, I have the default eyes hidden, with the new eye parented to them so they inherit the moves of the original eyes. I have to manually place the eye each time I use it (someone better than me at these things could probably script it, but...), but I like the results. It's probably higher poly than the original eye part, but I don't find it kills performance. Long term I'd like to convert some of my existing eye textures for Caraesarpro's eye, but for the moment I've been using high-res iris textures by Carel5103 (also at CGTrader).

Same scene as before but inside.

I couldn't render this scene on my GPU but it works on the CPU. The lady in the red dress is LaFemme, everyone else are older figures. Vicky 4, Mike 4 and the two lurking in the booth are Poser 4 LowRes figures. Image adjusted in PostFX with changes to exposure and gamma (I don't know what gamma is but when I tweaked the dial I thought it looked better).

While continuing to convert Sasha-16 characters to Sasha-19, I stumbled upon Jamminwolf's Lucy Zepp, on which I immediately used my last skin material, plus one of Biscuits's Valentine textures on a dynamic blouse

Another kit, another model,  This is where I am at trying to get this particular model to work in Poser 13.

Another kit, another model,  This is where I am at trying to get this particular model to work in Poser 13.

ran a few tests with older Models, Quick setups to see how shadows work , making it not to realistic with a touch of art. I normally just use Firefly so it is quiet a change, especially that you can't take the Preview as reference for your final. Also not quiet easy getting rid of all these dots that remain in renders. In some cases I got the feeling that the skin is getting a little to shiny, making it look a little like Plastic but I think i could figure out how to lower this side effect.

I used really old V4 setups for this little quick test and a Steam Punk style one wheeler, No Postwork done on the renders, there right out of the box. I have to say it is not easy at all using the lights to generate accurate shadows. My Computer started to take off like hell, all fans turned on sounding like a shuttle take off .....

As mentioned it is just a quick test to see if older modes get some Improvements without spending hours on material setups. That fantasy V4 setup resulted having some small issues with the shadows on some parts that I was not able figuring why it happen, the background aura from the spot came pretty well , seems that it would make neat effects when casting the Pinup or model shadow on a wall. I would say that it worked out having a balance between Firefly and supperfly in these quick shots, just that I do not know how heavy it is for the computer.

Zaarin posted at 12:34 PM Mon, 17 April 2023 - #4462475

Thalek posted at 9:56 AM Mon, 17 April 2023 - #4462460

Zaarin posted at 5:00 PM Sun, 16 April 2023 - #4462382

All Poser figures have awful eyes, as far as I can tell. That's why I invested in an anatomically correct eye model on CGTrader, which you can see in my render above. Superfly has really emphasized the flaws in the existing figures' eyes.

Any particular model? So, you hid the default eyes and put the replacements in?  The eyes have separate controls?

I use [url=https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/anatomy/photo]this one[/url] by Caraesarpro. You'll need to fiddle around in Blender to export the pupil dilation morph, but otherwise it plays nicely in Poser. I have PrincipledBSDF shaders on the sclera, iris, and "wet surface," with a Glass shader on the cornea, which properly bends the light into the iris (which, of course, is its purpose IRL). The latter requires rendering with refracting caustics or it will render too dark, but it looks great in practice.

Yeah, I have the default eyes hidden, with the new eye parented to them so they inherit the moves of the original eyes. I have to manually place the eye each time I use it (someone better than me at these things could probably script it, but...), but I like the results. It's probably higher poly than the original eye part, but I don't find it kills performance. Long term I'd like to convert some of my existing eye textures for Caraesarpro's eye, but for the moment I've been using high-res iris textures by Carel5103 (also at CGTrader).

That does look pretty good.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but after you parented the eyes to La Femme's eyes, couldn't you simply save a copy and have the eyes already installed and parented when you loaded La Femme2Eyes.cr2?

Another test no Postwork for shadows Artworks with V4

Comes out just fair ... just hate these dots they sure can mess up a render !

by dots, do you mean the graininess? You can fix that 2 ways. 1 you can increase your pixel samples and/or turn off adaptive sampling. (or decrease the number listed in it) These will increase rendering time. Or you can use the denoiser in the post fx. With this, you might lose some detail on finely textured items, like sand or maybe cloth.

Portraits aren't usually my thing, but I usually try a few for each new version.

by dots, do you mean the graininess? You can fix that 2 ways. 1 you can increase your pixel samples and/or turn off adaptive sampling. (or decrease the number listed in it) These will increase rendering time. Or you can use the denoiser in the post fx. With this, you might lose some detail on finely textured items, like sand or maybe cloth.

by dots, do you mean the graininess? You can fix that 2 ways. 1 you can increase your pixel samples and/or turn off adaptive sampling. (or decrease the number listed in it) These will increase rendering time. Or you can use the denoiser in the post fx. With this, you might lose some detail on finely textured items, like sand or maybe cloth.

hornet3d posted at 4:10 PM Mon, 17 April 2023 - #4462492

Another kit, another model,  This is where I am at trying to get this particular model to work in Poser 13.

More to the point the kit consists of 72 models of which 23 of different sized buildings some nearly as big, or bigger than this model.  The rest are the individual items such as trees, canopies, lights, railings and the like so that the scene can be further expanded.  I have since picked up a Hi-Tech Street kit which will allow my add street networks, monorails and kiosks to my buildings or city.  The only downside is they need a some work to get them to play with Power 13, not a small task but the potential  for my sci-fi story telling is potentially huge.

The Night Train, another Poser 13 import.

While making these renders, actually just test renders I also measured the power consumption of poser 13 when using the superfly this gives an Idea on how much a render will cost on your budget even if they are not quiet final. 

So with an average computer ( Desktop )  i7-11700K equipped with 64 ram and a Dual RTX3060 the consumption of power was a little more then 3kwh. meaning that these 5 test renders cost about 1$ in a household. I do not even want to test how much it would be for a final render at higher size. 

The computer gives it all turning to full power mode. Compared to older versions or other rendering apps ( DS not included ) it sure is a bummer, making this hobby to be really expensive for sure. I do not want to imagine a final render that is running overnight and at daytime to be prepared with some testing, with this sort of engine it would cause household costs of 3-4$ for just one render

Using the Firefly engine you would not even notice a change on your daily consumption, witch naturally makes you think twice if you are willing to spend this much for just one render. 

I have no Idea what is causing such a consumption peak that will end up on your bill, but for sure is a bummer .... also considering if the quality is really worth the amount you are using so I guess it was the last time I ran the superfly render in Poser this saves me allot that I can spend for better things. 

So to get an Idea of this consumption Peak for 5 small Test renders with superfly you could watch Tv on a 65" 4K screen for about 30h the consumption of Poser 13 superfly is blowing every record on a budget !  People are often not aware of such impacts so it might give you a little something to think about.

I have no Idea what impact such a render would have on a Laptop running on batteries, how long would the battery last, could a laptop handle such a superfly render, would it just drain your battery ?  Honestly I was really surprised after the measurements that I actually did because of the Desktop liftoff when starting the superfly render engine.

Speaking of power consumption: Even if I do renders quite all the evening till midnight, I never hear my RTX2080's fans trying to create a triple-twister like when I was just launching a 2 minutes computations using stable diffusion...
The first time I launch SD with whatever shit to compute, I heard a weird noise coming out of my computer, never heard such thing..
Damn SD: now you're gone, prob. forever... 

Speaking of power consumption: Even if I do renders quite all the evening till midnight, I never hear my RTX2080's fans trying to create a triple-twister like when I was just launching a 2 minutes computations using stable diffusion...
The first time I launch SD with whatever shit to compute, I heard a weird noise coming out of my computer, never heard such thing..
Damn SD: now you're gone, prob. forever... 

When the day arrives that you have to pay for being able to work then you probably will stop working.

Thing is, if I didn't render I wonder what I would be doing instead, there are many pastimes that would be cheaper on electricity but more expensive in other ways.

>> So with an average computer ( Desktop )  i7-11700K equipped with 64 ram and a Dual RTX3060 the consumption of power was a little more then 3kwh. meaning that these 5 test renders cost about 1$ in a household. I do not even want to test how much it would be for a final render at higher size. 

So with an average computer ( Desktop )  i7-11700K equipped with 64 ram and a Dual RTX3060 the consumption of power was a little more then 3kwh. meaning that these 5 test renders cost about 1$ in a household. I do not even want to test how much it would be for a final render at higher size. 

3KW costs $1? 1KW averages 10-12 cents in the US.... That's 30-36 cents....

Secondly, why are you preview renders using 3kwh? That's a 10+ hour render on your system.....

Your doing the math all wrong for KWH.....

3kwh in a 5 min render is pulling about 25,000 watts................... The wiring in your house doesn't support that......

A mix of old and new content, fine in Poser 13 but I had to use the CPU to render.

Nice emissions,I like it!

DCArt posted at 12:11 PM Tue, 18 April 2023 - #4462586

>> So with an average computer ( Desktop )  i7-11700K equipped with 64 ram and a Dual RTX3060 the consumption of power was a little more then 3kwh. meaning that these 5 test renders cost about 1$ in a household. I do not even want to test how much it would be for a final render at higher size. 

This is ridiculous. I make multiple test renders per day, almost every day. If your calculations were true, my electric bill would be 3 times more than it is to run everything in the house, including heating and air conditioning. 

I have an i9-10900K with 64GB RAM and ONE RTX-3070. When I render a single 1200 x 1600 V4 in a scene without anything else, using Poser 13's  OptiX High render preset, the fan doesn;t kick in at all. Then I also added some transmapped hair. Even with that, the render took only 45 seconds with no fan kicking in..

I suspect you are using the same render settings that you used for Poser 11 and Poser 12.  Instead, use one of the render presets in Poser 13. Since your graphics card is OptiX Capable, try the OptiX High preset.

And, for the record, when I render in DAZ Studio, the fan runs constantly from start to end of render. Just saying.

Is the background to scale?  The step height looks very high for those figures.

vopehov506 posted at 8:11 AM Tue, 18 April 2023 - #4462561

So with an average computer ( Desktop )  i7-11700K equipped with 64 ram and a Dual RTX3060 the consumption of power was a little more then 3kwh. meaning that these 5 test renders cost about 1$ in a household. I do not even want to test how much it would be for a final render at higher size. 

3KW costs $1? 1KW averages 10-12 cents in the US.... That's 30-36 cents....

Secondly, why are you preview renders using 3kwh? That's a 10+ hour render on your system.....

Your doing the math all wrong for KWH.....

3kwh in a 5 min render is pulling about 25,000 watts................... The wiring in your house doesn't support that......