We all need to know is this going to Raise the price of Poser? We just need a rough estimate between$200.00to $600.00 or the way above $600.00 to over a thousand????

I've seen previous posts from kupa (as I recall) that P5 would still be affordable. I think anything over $500-600 would be contrary to that and in respect to the current price would actually fall in the $300-400 range. But hey! It's just my guess

Personally I would rather see a $99 upgrade and a percent of every model or texture sold goes to CL.

Yep... I'm more interested in the upgrade path... I foolishly bought a P4 upgrade(magazine P3 offer) for me laptop last week! Arggee! I really hope it's at least another 6 months so I can save up!! ducks Seriously, though, if the upgrade is $99 they will have absolutely humongous sales immediately on release. 'cos EVERYONE is going to want it... what a fantastic insight we've had from CL this week!! I just hope they have a seriously high volume CD pressing order placed. LOL H:)

I am also living in fear about the price. The new features are so amazing that it is hard not to worry that the upgrade will be expensive. If anyone from CL is reading this...can you give us an estimate? We all have to start saving our pennies NOW. Thanks! :) Kimberly

Hogwarden, I hope you got a good deal on that upgrade. Amazon has a $40 off rebate going on right now.

Re: Poser 5 by kupa on 2/7/02 19:45 Odd dynamics... If I say anything about this future feature or that, I get accused of teasing, if I don't say anything I get accused of playing games ;-) I can't go into specific details about the next release. Sorry about that. We're still selling Poser 4. There will be a Poser 5, we're hard at work on it, and there still is a lot of work to be done. It will be priced in a Poser price range, and it will be very, very powerful. It's going to be the most significant feature upgrade of Poser to date. That said, those who have Poser 4 today will be better off $-wise when it comes time to upgrade, and it still makes sense to upgrade to 4 if you haven't already. Here's the little bit of detail I'm able to share- new features to include- * dynamic strand based hair * dynamic cloth with physics * a renderman compliant renderer and raytracer engine * tree and shader node based material editor with procedural shaders * facial photo mapping technology * morph target sculpting * non linear animation * new content I think is is about a deep a peak as can i share at this time. Sorry, but no delivery timelines for now. Steve Cooper Curious Labs

I have heard and this is unconfirmwed, of course, that P5 will be roughly $100 - $150,00 higher than P4. That's the ebst that I can offer. :)

Oh yah, I sure hope CL will continue their educational pricing ;)

Sounds like they're planning a two-tiered upgrade pricing, one for Poser 4 owners and one for Poser3 (and earlier?). So folks who have just upgraded will make up part of the P4 cost. Plus, their transition to P5 will likely benefit from several months of P4 experience, which can teach you a lot. Bet they won't regret moving to P4 now :-) Elisa

I wont speculate but I will say this. They know there market so let it be. Ron

Saw this and wanted to post a quick update, the renderer is a little different than planned at the time of these informal details. More accurately it would unofficialy be referred to a "micro polygon renderer", similar to rndrman, and similar to reyes, we'll have more details later. Otherwise, those words from last February still seem to stand up fairly well. I'm almost proud of myself... ;) One last little bit, customers with both Poser 4 and Pro Pack will get the best upgrade pricing. Kupa

I think high pricing on Poser 5 would devastate this online community. I get the impression that over 90% of Poser users here are hobbiests, not doing commercial work and not profiting off their 3D work. In other words, Poser's primary function is (like it or not) as a toy. My hope is that Curious Labs understands that this is not a bad thing. The current setup of inexpensive application + expensive "Pro Pack" is pretty ideal for them. They make the software accessible to the hobbiest masses developing a huge user base. Hobbiest sales is their really money maker, and then on top of that they get the respect and extra bucks from having "pro" options for commercial work with Poser. I want to see Poser 5.0 stay at $200, with a $100 upgrade from 4.0. This will generate large volume sales liek Eovia is currently seeing with carrara 2, and it will more importantly keep the Poser Online Community going. I think any price tag much over $200 would have the opposite effect; it would alienate and begrudge a lot of loyal Poser hobbiests who just cannot justify paying adobe type prices to render nude fairies ;-P My fingers are crossed that Curious Labs market research agrees with me... -Adam

I still have the old MetaCreations version of P4. I hope this will be eligible for the upgrade. Otherwise, I'll just have to wait. Melanie

Name your price and I will buy it. With what I have seen and what you just said. Ron

Melaine I would imagine you will be okay. Ron

How about an upgrade price for those who bought the pro pack add on. P4 is affordable. With the pro pack it starts to get more spendy since the pack costs almost as much as the program itself. Maybe one price for P4 owners and another for pro owners?

Eric Read! Ron

EricofSD, reread post 12 from Kupa.

I added ProPack a few months ago "on faith" and it looks like it will pay off.

Of course, now people will start inferring that P5 is a combination of the two. But then again, he didn't say that a ProPack upgrade wasn't also on it's way, but then again, he didn't say that he wouldn't need me to be a Mac beta tester either.

Ah, the things he didn't say.

Hmmm, there's a song in that somewhere.

Obviously any current Poser user is looking for the upgrade price, and not the "new" price for those who don't currently own Poser. Curious Labs is smart and receptive enough to offer an upgrade price. As it stands now the $99 upgrade price is the same from all versions of Poser, including version 1. If the new upgrade price gets over $100, then it will become more and more impossible for me. I'm sure others feel the same. *** "This message states My Not So Humble Opinion. Our opinions might differ, but I respect your opinion!"

Keep in mind 85-90% of people might not only have to worry about the cost of upgrading Poser, but also paying serious money for computer upgrades as well. That could keep Poser 4 sales strong for quite a while as not everyone will be able to afford this.

If you're counting on a $100 upgrade price from P4->P5, I think you're at least $80 off (and probably more than that). Kupa says above that Pro Pack users will get the best upgrade pricing (implying that there's no more Pro pack, they will be combined in P5), so you can start with the $150 upgrade price for that. They're not going to just 'give' it to Pro Pack users, so I figure at a bare minimum, you can add another $30-$50, making the P5 full package price a minimum of $400-$420 range. Of course they may have a different (higher) target price for the full package, but based on what's been shown and said, I don't see it being any lower (I'd love to be proven wrong, without screwing Pro Pck owners though). Of course this is Pure Speculation on my part, so it's up to you to decide if my reasoning is sound ;).

If the upgrade price goes to $200 or over, you're knocking out a lot of people who are loyal Poser users, and "hobbyists," who probably can't justify spending so much money, even if they could get it. I hope that DAZ realizes this and won't make such an effort to leave behind so many loyal fans.

I doubt it! Ron

You doubt that my reasoning is sound, or you doubt that people will balk at spending $200 or more for P5? ;)

Spanki Not you! The other Ron. I would lay out a grand for it with the features shown. Ron

So..... non-linear animation, whoopee, something for the animators!!! and loads of new things to animate and just about everything I dreamt of.... name your price, I'll mortgage the wife.....

Well, I'm reassured by his comment that it will be 'in a poser price range.' And I'm happy to hear about preferential pricing for P$ & Propack users, as I only recently bought both! (s) Mind you - I think I'm probably going to stop buying any more 3D stuff and save my pennies until I get a final price... I wonder how many other poverty-stricken poser addicts will do the same? John

ron sez: "I hope that DAZ realizes this and won't make such an effort to leave behind so many loyal fans." I hope you meant Curious Labs....

Just lurking in the background and watching everything everyone has had to say... The California Dreaming thread is now up to 245 replies - that's gotta be some record here. Man, there are some things I'd love to say, like the planned LE (limited edition)version...but I can't...just yet...

ronmolina: Don't giv'em any bright ideas. regretfully, I will have to pay whatever the market will bear. 'just hope they have pity on our poor pocketbooks.

ron sez: "I hope that DAZ realizes this and won't make such an effort to leave behind so many loyal fans." I hope you meant Curious Labs.... "ron sez: "I hope that DAZ realizes this and won't make such an effort to leave behind so many loyal fans." I hope you meant Curious Labs.... " YES, ooops. I hope I'm not in trouble now. **** "This message states My Not So Humble Opinion. Our opinions might differ, but I respect your opinion!"

Weird, I just got an e-bot saying there was a response by EricofSD with the title of "What about a PoserPro Upgrade" and it brought me here. I wonder if it took me to the wrong thread. shrug Anyway, on that note, I would have to assume that ProPack will be melded into Poser, wouldn't you think? I've always believed that ProPack was an interim until P5 was out. I would think that P5 would render ProPack unnecessary. Why have two programs when you can have just one that does it all? And also on that note and this thread, I hope that consolidating Poser and ProPack into one program wouldn't affect the pricing any. I'm also one of those poverty stricken Poser users. I have to watch my pennies, too. I live on a clerical staff wage and I don't have a nest-egg lying around to dip into for things like this. Please, please, CL, be gentle with us with the pricing. Melanie

... /me starting to read in the book of pricing miracles and trying to ask my glowing iluminating magical ball ... If it says something I'll let you all know ... HEY !! - let those people at CL work - they have to finish Poser 5 !!! and not reading your posts ... lol

Cool! I have P4 and Propack! I knew it would pay off! Come on 5 get here soon ;)

I'm not too bothered about the price, I have some money put away for a rainy day, hope it rains the day poser5 is released :) My divorce will follow not long after poser5 arrives in my hands, lol Rob

My Magic 8-Ball says "Answer unclear, ask again later."

I think it's stalling for time ....

AhAhAh!!! Guy from Ditech.com is probably using it.

Hey, while I'm here can I just make all kinds of wild speculations about the features, unfounded comments about the company and its employees and suggest that the upgrade be shrinkwrapped free to every copy of People Magazine?

sorry duane all of those have been, (and continue to be :-) amply covered... about all that's left for you is to unveil the theory that there really is NO poser 5 it's all a plot sponsored by space aliens & the napkin folders union

Hey cooler ... what a scary thought - you mean ... ... they have also infiltrated CL - oh - how bad ... /me digging his hidden alien-senso-matic-lenses out and calling the army-devision at Ursa Major ...

Dammit cooler - that's the rumour I was gonna spread. g

The "Napkin Folders Union" eh? seems like those guys are into everything these days. I hear that they actually control the military and are plotting a coup.

With all the new features Poser 5 gets "professional". I think you won't get an Upgrade for $149 this time as for Poser 4. I think the price will be at $300 -$400 for the upgrade and $600 - $800 for the retail. Just my thoughts Chris

They won't sell many at those prices. I really doubt they would do that to us. It would be a slap in the face. I'm sure they won't get that drastic. They wouldn't be doing themselves any favors if they did that. This community would put up an outcry like nobody's ever heard before. They would go under really fast. I sure won't buy if they go that high. I can live without it. I'll just make do with P4. I just plain don't have that kind of money. I have too many other real-life debts to pay for before any of my hobbies. Melanie

I agree, Melanie. If they do this right, Curious Labs will make money based on "Quantity." That's likely the best approach now.

I sure hope so. Otherwise, they're going to lose a lot of sales. A lot of us aren't stockpiling gold in our basements. I guess we'll see when it comes out. Melanie

My guess on the upgrade price from P4: I think it would be too optimistic to expect anything below $150. I guess it depends on how many copies of ProPack CL has sold. If they sold not too many of them, then we may hope in a $100 upgrade price for Pro Pack. If they sold many copies of Pro Pack, then we shouldn't expect the ProPack upgrade to be less than $150. With such premises, I would expect one of these two guesses: guess 1 propack upgrade $100 poser4 upgrade $200 guess 2 propack upgrade $150 poser4 upgrade $250 Considering that there'll be VAT (20% for me here) to be added to the price, I really hope that it'll be guess 1, otherwise I would risk to be left out of the Poser 5 wave. So to summarize: $200 would be at the same time a realistic upgrade price and a not-too-disastrous one for most P4 customers; I vote for this one ;-) $250 is (I'm afraid) the most probable guess, but I think that this price + taxes will begin to leave out a non indifferent part of low-budget Poser users $300 would be a major catastrophe (at least for me).

For an upgrade??? I'll pass. I can live with P4. I have for how many years now? I refuse to pay that much money for an upgrade. I don't even have that much. Most of my credit cards are close to maxing out. If I don't have the money, I simply can't buy, and CL needs to know that this is probably the case with a lot of Poser 4 users. They won't make many sales. I consider that price gouging. Melanie

Melanie just look at how much they priced the pro pack. That was probably a bad strategic move on CL part, but what about those propack users now - they would expect to have at least $100 advantage on the upgrade over normal Poser4 users like you and me, since the Poser 5 is (apparently) going to include everything that was in propack. If you consider this, and the fact that surely CL won't give away Poser 5 for free to propack users, you'll see that the price estimate I made sounds not only realistic but somewhat unavoidable - unfortunately.

Has anyone specifically said there will be only one version of Poser 5, as opposed to a "regular" and "Pro" version?