I noticed DAZ lumps Vicky and Stephanie clothes together. Stephanie is supposed to be able to wear Vicky's clothes. But that only happens if you remove the Stephanie morph from her body. So in essence, you have Stephanie's head, and Vicky's body. What's the point in that? I was one of the lucky ones to get Stephanie for free, so I don't feel cheated of my purchase price. But I'd like to have some real Stephanie clothes. I finally got around to trying out this dress I got somewhere. I don't remember who made it. It doesn't fit, or follow Stephanie's body when I pose her. (Yes, I told it to conform.) Heck, I don't even see any textures. I'd think by now that this lovely lady would have an excellent wardrobe. What am I missing here?

I'm sure there's something somewhere made to fir her body, but the only thing I can think of is the Spywear set at DAZ, and even then, I'm not entirely sure if it does or not. There's probably a few things in the MP here as well, but I agree, there's a definite lack of clothes for her. Maybe it's because she has a more masculine look about her (body, at least...I love her face).

Ron Can I check whether you got an IM from me? Cant remember If i clicked send or whether I closed the window before sending. TIA

Ron, I'm really disappointed !!!! :-) My dresses use morphs for hip : select the hip and use the dials! How can I oblige people to have a look to the readme LOL Serge

How can I oblige people to have a look to the readme LOL

You could offer them brownies ....

I've not had that much of a problem with Steph fitting into Vick's clothing. I do a bit of tweaking here and there, but I usually have to do that with Vicki anyway, since I like a bit more meat on my model's bones then the default body style. Serge, Little Dragon is right, offer them brownies and they will read :) Pendy

Well, can't Tailor be used to create morphs in Vicky's clothing that will follow the Stephanie morph?

Thanks for the responses. It appears that people/DAZ/whomever haven't bothered to make many clothes for Stephanie. It's not enough to say you can rob Stephanie of her body so she can wear Vicky's clothes. Serge, I forgot the dress was yours. I have so much stuff. I don't usually need to mess with morphs on any clothes I use on a standard figure. All I've ever done is to conform the clothes and move on.

Ron, Morphing is the only way (as poser 5 is not released) to simulate natural long dress folds. So with some of my dresses, conform them (for the others parts than hip) and then use the hip dials to "pose" the dress.

"So in essence, you have Stephanie's head, and Vicky's body. What's the point in that?"

It's so you can use Vic's cloths easily. It's an option, and I'm glad it's there.

If you change Stephanie's shape away from Vic's, why would you expect Vic's cloths to fit? You might as well try using Mike's cloths.

She will on Friday! Actually, that is only partly true, the set fits Pin-up Stephanie, but each clothing item has a Full Body Morph to fit Stephanie, real Stephanie, not Vicky-Stephanie. So yes and no!

Seems like I did see something that was specifically made for Stephanie somewhere awhile back, but I can't remember where. Maybe PoserWorld? Not sure. I'd sure like to know where to get some custom Stephie things, too. Melanie

RoyG, what is the sense of creating a new character with her own unique face and body if we're just going to take that body away from her so she can wear Vicky's clothes? To me that's the biggest fallacy of this whole situation. And apparently "the majority" of clothing artists buy this line of reasoning. So if Stephanie really wants to be herself, she'll need to be naked. Well it looks like Jim was kind enough to take "the stock Stephanie" into consideration. It's too bad I'm not able to spring for the money to buy another character. Thanks anyway Jim. I just love your work. Ron

Ron, I would love it if all clothing fit all characters all the time. Steph came with the Vic shaped body as an option so she would have something to wear. You don't have to use it; it just makes her more versatile.

I would think that with some work a lot of Vic clothing could be morphed for use with Steph in her own shape. Maybe Tailor could do it.

I don't think that there is any conspiracy on the part of clothing modelers. Vic spent a lot of time running around naked at first also, (heck, she still does). It took awhile before she had the huge wardrobe she has available today.

Oh, I forgot to say. I like that Cat girl. Meow. :)

RoyG, you miss the point(s). Stephanie loses her versatility if she can't be herself and wear clothes. No, I don't think this is a consipiracy. I do think, however that sometimes people don't think much when characters are designed. Again, it makes no sense in my mind to say "I'm giving you a wonderful new woman, with her own unique body. And she can wear someone else's clothes, if we take away that wonderful unique body." Many months ago I got ahold of Dina, on the heels of that controversy. Dina has sat "on a shelf" all these months because she seems to lack widespread support in the community, especially for the all important freebies. Now there is a version of Dina that wears Vicky's clothes. Somehow this Dina can't have all the benefits of the "old Dina," or she wouldn't be able to wear Vicky's clothes. But in the end, you're expected to pay for the privelege of dumping the "original Dina" you already paid for just to have more versatility for this one. It's the same for Stephanie. We get this great new character that really ends up being another Vicky with a different face.

Ron, Instead of complaining, why don't you make some original clothes for her if you are so bothered by the lack of freebies? If it is an empty niche and you are the first to provide a wardrobe for Stephanie, you can probably even sell them and corner the market. Carolly

I'm really surprised that the clothing makers haven't jumped on the bandwagon and done some more things for the Stephanie figure. I wish they would. She does have a different body shape and the world is made up of different body types. It would make an image more diverse. Any clothing makers out there willing to take on the task? I've always wanted to make clothes, but I have absolutely no modeling skills other than very basic things like jewelry and props. I really admire the folks who can do it. It's certainly not easy. Melanie

Carolly, If we could only talk about the things we could fix, then some of us wouldn't talk about anything. HMMMMM.

Ron- I'm planning on adding "true" Stephanie morphs to my existing Vickie stuff too, including the French Maid set, which I think you have. I agree incidently, Stephanie should have clothing that fits her real body, or at least morphs to it. As (I think) the CR2 joint parameters are identical and they are the same height, it isn't like trying to fit the Posette. Thanks, Roy G! ;-)

Oh, Jim, you're one of my heroes. I recently got the Voluptuous Vicky Fitting Room, and was ecstactic to see I could fit VV into your maids outfit along with other fine outfits.

Ron, you're right, I can't seem to follow your logic.

If you want Vic cloths to fit Steph, you need to either make Steph Vic shaped, or make the cloths Steph shaped.

If there is a demand, the clothing will come. That, or the morphs to make them work.

I released this for posette, but I originally made them for V1 V2 and Stephanie. Here's the Stephanie version. I need to make enough time to finish tweaking the joints and it will be ready for freestuff. Ed

RoyG, unfortunately sometimes we don't look beyond what seems "like a good deal." Hey it sounds wonderful when someone reads "Stephanie is great because she wears Vicky's clothes." That's as far as some people will read. But if you stress the fact that Stephanie in essence becomes Vicky, this doesn't seem like such a great deal. Hell it took me awhile to realize this totally. Why? Because I either wasn't doing many Stephanie renders, or I just did a lot of nudes. The funny thing is I think Jim Burton was the one who tried to tell us this very fact a few weeks ago. I lose track of time. Like so many others, I just buzzed right over this one.

So far, I've had no problems with Stephanie fitting in to Vicki's clothes, but the fact is, she's slimmer and the clothes are just slightly too large for her. I would like to see some clothes that fit her slim figure, too. The end result looks different in the render. She has a smaller waistline than Vicki. Risking sounding like a teenager here, but I think Stephanie-specific clothing would look cute on her with that slender build. Melanie

Wouldn't making the clothes (the actual OBJ) fit Steph. confuse the Tailor? (Not that I've had much success with Tailoring to Steph anyway, but it would surely be better to include a Steph morph in a Vic-shaped outfit.)

I get the impression that the Tailor only does "bigger", never pulls the mesh in to match a thinner shape. It does super for something like Vickie's breast size 38DDD, it gets confused when you tell it to fit the Stephanie morphs on Stephane (which should work, as the default is Vickie, Stephanie gets there via a FBM). For what it does it is amazing, though.

I wonder if you could shrink the clothing in a modeling program first, then let Tailor grow it back out to fit Steph?

At that point it might be just as easy to actually make the morphs in the modeling program! I have no documentation on how the Tailor works, but I bet it does something along the lines of transfering the morphs deltas (that is, the direction and the amount the vertexes move), rather than some kind of collision detection. After seeing how it works I think the former is more likely, that is why it is so helpless on fitting clothing to other figures - what it is actually doing is transferring morphs, not fitting mesh.

That would also explain why it doesn't shrink-wrap clothing right to the skin. I'll bet your right.