"I'm not going to argue with you about words like ( serious consideration....3D....imported geometry smooth options )" -no, because your mouth got the better of you, and you've just discovered that you were wrong.

pog, perhaps drac just walked in :-)

"Doesn't everyone have a "Drac's a wanker" folder?" Well - I've been tempted on more than one occasion I can tell ya! ;-)

Yes Stephen Ray, ...and I'm done, I've said my piece - and words TO you mean nothing. You posted - I correct you - and you change direction. For your information, and for anyone else for that matter, there's a VERY good reason I can't just give out files to prove things - that's why I post images instead. If you don't like the descriptions I posted - OK! But I suggest that before you start: 1-accusing me of theft 2-derailing accurate demonstrations 3-questioning my ability 4-assuming the extent of my knowledge ...I suggest you get your fact's right. To accuse me of using other peoples materials from the R'osity download area, is to accuse me of theft. I don't need to download anything frome here, DAZ, or anywhere else. I create everything myself, even the TV in the renders was a quickie I modelled for that very reason. I'm a beginner am I? Well, OK if you say so - if 16 years of working with graphics gives beginner status - then yes, OK. I posted the demonstrations in direct response to being ASKED TO DO SO. Because I was TOLD of the problems that could not be overcome. Well, I'm so sorry I even bothered to take the time to demonstrate what was going on - I assumed that's what was wanted. QUOTE:pumeco "Well, as many of us know, imported geometry under true ambiance has smoothing problems. In fact, smoothing the object in Bryce 5 will have no effect on it's smoothness under TA whatsoever." QUOTE:Stephen Ray "Wrong, do you even know how the smooth option works in Bryce. It is totally a render effect. And your having problems with Boolean in Pro Render which are render effects to." LOL God damn it, now I'm really losing face, I'm pretty sure I was right. But hey, congratulations man - let me shake you by the hand. You DO realise that you've just solved the BIGGEST problem with True Ambience - don't you? Personally, I think you don't understand what we were talking about, regarding true ambience and smoothing. Because if you DO understand, I can only assume that there's no such problem for you, and you know something very special indeed. I look forward to seeing how it's done. :-) QUOTE: "do you even know how the smooth option works in Bryce." QUOTE: "Personally I think you are fairly new to 3D graphics. You have an arrogance about you." QUOTE: "And after looking at some of your, examples. I'm taking serious consideration, that the base of your materials, came from materials that were downloaded right from the Renderosity free stuff area." LOL Sorry , but at what point do the members here consider it fair for me to draw the line? - 'cos I just can't tolerate much more bulls**t. I'm preparing a NEW thread to be posted in the next couple of days. It should put an end to the suspicions and accusations once and for all. Len. PS: Thank's to the believers among you, your trust WILL be rewarded.

Success eh drac ;-)

Stephen Ray, I had'nt read your post through, because as soon as I started to, it was obvious that you've got the WRONG thread. And now that I've taken the time to actually read it, the only BS is coming from your direction.

OK. I'm pointing out that they've looked at the wrong thread - that's all. Ah well.

FROM POST 46 ONWARDS: Your responses don't ring true - you have looked at the WRONG post 29 on WRONG thread. Please don't confuse this situation any further, as differences are starting to be settled now I think. Len.

instead of everywhere - what? ...and I'm the one who talks in riddles. What are you talking about?

*anywhere - what?

Mrdodobird,

I may be wrong, but did you read the WHOLE thread?

I find it strange that you point-out post 24, when in fact the problem lies in post 29.

You either agree with this - or you don't, so please, yes or no?

As far as the AgentSmith statement goes, I was NOT suggesting that he locked the post to prevent PJF from posting. I was merely pointing-out that, because he did, Peter never got the chance to do so. I hated that, because it's similar to what happened to me over a DAZ a while back, and it's an infuriating state of affairs.

In hindsight, I suppose that AgendSmith could well have been protecting me from the flames, but from the very start of my postings here, I've never been protected from anything, so that's simply something I never thought I'd get;

-now that's fine by me, because I don't WANT to be protected from anything. I'm just as capable of defending myself online, as I am in real life.

AgentSmith,
I hope you don't take-heart to what I posted. Yes - I am annoyed because you locked that thread - and yes - PJF could allways start a new thread (if he'd wanted to). But I just could'nt see the point in locking that thread - at THAT particular stage. After what happened to me at DAZ, it kinda started the alarm bells ringing, so I apologise for any misunderstanding.

I've always had the need to defend PRO-RENDER with restraint - and that's not been an easy task. Also, just like you Mrdodobird, I HATE it when people are walked upon - and I'll stand by my word, when I say that dracs short remark to PJF, sure looks like a case of being (undeservedly) walked upon.

Which brings me to draculaz. Now, as hard as you might find this to believe, I also like reading his post's - I like 'em a lot. There's no doubt that he livens-up the threads with his character - and the way in which others play along with that character have brought a LOT of smiles to my face. But the thing is, I kinda feel like a destitute child at a toy shop window, when I read some of the threads here. In other words, I can only sit back and watch, and "laugh in silence" while the rest of you play. I can't tell you how many times I've wanted to post - but did'nt, for fear of a "brush-off".

Just a couple of examples are:

1: I wanted to post in drawbridgep's thread about his "alley" pic. - because it was good, and I don't like people who pull Bryce down.
-but I did'nt.

2: I wanted to post in Ornlu's thread - just to say an introductory "hi there!".
-but I did'nt.

The list goes on, but you see what I'm saying? Now, if draculaz had made his feelings about PRO-RENDER clear, and left it at that - then I would just see that as personal opinion, and be perfectly OK with it. But then comes a second post (in a targeted NEW thread), aimed at PRO-RENDER, which I was'nt too happy about - but I let it go. But now there's a third AND a fourth post, which to my mind, serve to do nothing but belittle me. All I can say is that draculaz, like everyone else here, is entitled to his opinion, so why does he need to make his opinion heard, again, and again, and again. That to me is malicious, or at the very least, BORDERING on being so.
I'd like to have been able to get along with drac, but I don't think he's ever going to let that happen - and that's a shame.

Now then, about PJF; I really don't see how my standing by him, could "weaken his stance". Peter has no problems in either presenting, or defending himself in these forums. I'm quite aware that he does not need me to fight his battles for him. And I'm also aware that he may well NOT have wanted to defend himself on that occasion. But, that's not what I was doing - I was NOT defending him, I was offering support in a matter that I believe warranted it.

TwistedBolt,
I think you may have linked to the wrong thread or something. What you have posted appears to be nothing to do with this topic. I may be wrong, but...

I had read upto post 12, when I made this reply.

COURTESY POST: This is not a technical post, more a polite notice really. I've decided to make this my last post because I've decided to drop PRO-RENDER, and thought you should know about this. ...only joking ;-) Actually, this is just to say that I won't be logging-on for a while. I'm aware that I have'nt replied to all questions, private messages, and emails. To those unanswered, please don't think I'm ignoring you, I'm just getting a little behind. Which brings me to the point of this post, I want to get PRO-RENDER out in time. Every PRO-RENDER thread seems to have gone strangely quiet since my post of skin-over-blood simulation, so this is the perfect time for me to make this post. Len.

pauljs75, Thanks for your comments and suggestion, but, it's not a program. You've missed something somewhere :-) Mrdodobird, QUOTE: ...And if that's the results you get with just a simple one color texture... No no no, that's the results you get with NO texture whatsoever. The colouring in post 156 is generated automatically by the method SKIN-BASE uses. Of course you'll be able to use maps though, to control skin thickness, add tattoos, freckles, makeup etc. The image you see, doesn't show any of these refinements. The final product will produce much better results. I'm glad you like it so far, personally I just wan't to play around with it and create some renders, but I don't have the time. August is here, and I'm still working to get PRO-RENDER out in time. PS: I like your gallery lot's! The attention to detail is superb, as is your lighting technique. Looking at your gallery, I really don't think you're gonna get much out of PRO-RENDER, you know it already! Still, there might be something in there for you. In fact, that goes for many members here. Looking at the galleries, I know that many will be disappointed with PRO-RENDER when it finally get's out there. I hope not though, because I will say to these members (and you all know who you are), just look upon PRO-RENDER as a sort of "in-one" knowledge base, there might be just SOMETHING in there for you. Len.

• "...go pester pumeco to give us ProRender soon." -thanks Cat, I love you, I just LOVE you ;-) harlann, Like Cat said, welcome to the forum. Also, if you thought that woman next to the stone wall was good, go and check-out an image called "my sister's mate's bike", or something like that title. Just type PJF into SEARCH and you'll find it among his writings, it's amazing! Vile, No offense taken, I'm just very on-edge these days, and I'm a "naughty boy". I know for a fact that I've gone over the top on more than one occassion when I'm trying to defend PRO-RENDER. Just take no notice of me, as I'm sure many will tell you ;-) experimental, Yes, you will need Bryce 5 to run PR,PRX,SB or HB. Len.

WIP: A "Work In Progress", a practice often used in forums.