Poser 12 made a bunch of odd changes in the "Legacy" material. One of the most startling is a bit of prudery about the males. When you load James (P6), he comes in castrated. I know, I know, educational market and so force. But a naked person should look like a human. What's really bizarre is that the genital is there, it's just flagged Invisible. I discovered this while trying to find something, anything, to click on. I haven't confirmed yet, but I suspect that Jessi has had her morphs twiddled. I'm going to reload my original P6 Jessi and do a comparison.

The other potentially huge change is the disappearance of the Face Room. I do almost all my native Poser images with either Jessi or the G2 (with a preference for Miki and the old RDNA textures for her). But I never use their default faces which are often (I'm looking at you, Sydney) borderline bizarre. Well, unless you are a morph maven or a Blacksmither, or there is some tool or tweak in the product I haven't found, you are now stuck with the face "out of the box."

To end on a note of positivity, the Manual is now a local HTML file. That's good for getting at info quickly. Since my 3D system is offline for security reasons, it sure beats the 3D equivalent of Steamworks, where you have to be online to use products you have spent bundles on. Unfortunately the new manual format makes printing nearly impossible. I'm hoping for a PDF alternative, preferably formatted for letter-size paper not the postcard pages a previous version slapped on the disk.

hborre posted at 8:45AM Wed, 22 July 2020 - #4394956

https://www.posersoftware.com/ for your upgrade. If your license doesn't work you will need to contact support. SmithMicro is no longer the owners of Poser.

I took a look at the PS page. Upgrading from PP 10 or P 11 is listed there at $99. They also link you to "buy at Renderosity if you are a member." There the price is $74. No free upgrade I can find.

I'm not just being stingy. I terminated my Windows machines at W7. PS says the new Poser is ok with that; R says I have to have Windows 10. I'm willing to take a chance on compatibility for free, but not for a "No Refunds!" $74.

click floating then when it pops out put it back where you want it (remove (untick) drag docking if you want it to stay where you want it so you wont accidentally drag it again ) Those boxes seem to appear at random. There is not one of them on the Library frame. (Actually, none of my palettes have them this week...) My error, the version is Poser Pro 10. I own PP 11, but I can't use it because of the obsolete activation code. Incidentally, the Library problem broke loose when I Maximized the screen; it stayed floating when I restored the screen. Go figure. Thanks for offering solutions.

hborre posted at 12:20PM Tue, 21 July 2020 - #4394934

Your best bet is to reset your preferences to Factory Default. That will undo your current arrangement.

I wish. I tried that. Lost all my setup details... except the docked Library.

structure posted at 2:54PM Thu, 12 March 2020 - #4383055

poser 11.2 ( soon 11.3 ) is the only working version of poser 11 - since Smith Micro closed their licence server.

the computer must be online unless you write to admin@renderosity.com and request an extended licence.

I take it that I must be on-line to USE Poser 11.2 etc. I'm willing to bypass my security to download, install, and start it, but I'm not going to put my Windows boxes at risk continuously while working. Do I understand you correctly?

Do I understand correctly that (1) my purchased Poser Pro 11 is now permanently non-functional and (2) if I want to use Poser 11.2, the computer has to be on-line?

The relationship of P6 and C5P was straightforward: C5P blew Poser out of the water with Transposer installed. Faster, crash-free, vastly better lighting controls... you name it. P7 offered some improvements that evened things up, notably in rendering times and sizes. C6P came out over hyped (what else is new?) and larded up with "promises." And it has problems with P7 -- notably, it won't recognize it as a legitimate Poser to support TransPoser, so if you don't have a P5 or P6 installed, that functionality is not available.

My analysis after working with the two programs for a couple of weeks: I'm fed up with the problems (not limitations, problems) in P7 and have no intention of upgrading yet again to get another round of legacy crap and fresh chrome. Using C6P exclusively means relearning a bunch of work methods and walking away from the biggest improvement in P7: materials handling. But I'm on my way. C5P has as much potential for materials creation as P7 does, but the two approaches are so different that there's not much crossover. Fortunately, DAZ has merged the C5P world with the Poser world, and some of the deficiencies (superb models for skin, for example) are being remedied.

Quote - > Quote - Like I wrote, I don't wish to discuss the moderation of Renderosity. Rather, I want to discuss the issue that making truly beautiful faces seems to be out of the question, it the face needs to look 18+ at all cost.

 

Does a face HAVE to look under 18 and have suggestion of nakedness to be beautiful?
(Don't think so)

The great irony of all this is visible on Faux, which alternately decries pernicious nipples and lowers the bar on taste daily with soft core porn, even in the "News" shows. The people who don't want US looking at naked little girls want them all for themselves. They think because looking at Alice's little naked crotch gives them a Jones, those of us who don't share their perversion need to be protected. After all, we're all fallen and desperate to screw our mommies and murder out daddies and pork babies. Just like them....

Quote - A character could have size 99 ZZZZ sized boobs, but if the face looks under 18 years of age (IE: has a lot of child features), that character is considered a child and the image is removed. Those decisions aren't made arbitrarily.

This is a bit like saying the Red Queen thinks before she acts. Yeah. No doubt. One of the safest rules of thumb, I've found, is that the same people who get sweaty over porn want porn illegal because that's what gets them sweaty -- not the porn. We've taken to calling it Larry Craig Syndrome.

You are right in your initial analysis, and that fact all by itself demonstrates the idiocy of the rules. A 40-year-old man can have the facial characteristics of a 12-year-old girl, but nowhere on the planet does there exist a 12-year-old girl with 99ZZ boy toys. If the body is mature, the face is adult, however puffy and pouty and pseudo-adolescent. Manipulative adult women are working overtime to look like little girls who want a taste, and in this absurd milieu we are trying to protect ourselves from meshes that might make some men think of little girls. The face thing is ridiculous, like deciding the mesh is a child if it has long toes.

For our own good. Uh-hunh. And insurance agents would love to start a li'l fire here and there in your back yard to remind you how important good fire insurance is. I found my anti-virus solution: Linux.

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It's hard for me to believe that the population that has elevated Fox filth to a major entertainment would recoil from an anti-clerical fantasy. Most Americans are too illiterate to figure out that Narnia is a Christian allegory without somebody waving a sign at them, much less that The Golden Compass is an "atheist fantasy." And there is nothing blasphemous in the first Dark Materials book, so I think the fundie notion that they have scored another victory like the one they scored on the wonderful and very "blasphemous" Last Temptation is just a bit of that wishful thinking that characterizes a minority in decline, raging against the dying of the light they imagined. Hollywood, in spite of its dominance by Godless, high-minded, disdainful-of-Mammon-and-profit, anti-all-that-is-good, and thriving-somehow-in-spite-of-all-Good-Americans'-loathing-for-their-Evilness artists, intellectuals, and liberals (those figures of the loathsome and obscene Anti-trinity: Art, Science, and Community) is making money hand over fist, said money coming from the pockets of fallen Americans in such numbers that I suspect all the Godly will need for The Rapture is a Piper Cub.

Citing the "failure" of the film version of the only book to rival The Bible in sales (and with a much shorter printing history) as an example of Americans getting their religious knickers in a knot is pretty funny. What do you think people did with all those copies of the book that was #1 on every best seller list for four years? Read it and were aghast and therefore recommended it to their friends? How American! And why love the book and hate the movie in the Name of Baby Jesus? After all, the movie removed the part about how cool it would be to bonk the great granddaughter of Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene, and ole Mr. Langdon does, right after the last page. I guess the theory here is that atheists and the godless bought 10-100 copies each of The Da Vinci Code in their desire to create the illusion of success? A vast conspiracy, led no doubt by Saddam Hussein, the Democrats, and Jane Fonda.

I'm very disappointed that the GC film softened the ending. I'm guessing how; I will see it this weekend. (I'm planning to buy two tickets; one for myself and one in the name of my favorite theofascist; and maybe a few more. See above.) The original ending doesn't exactly make "the hero," for all his hatred of Yahwehism, very attractive, and it strikes me that the change was made not for any philosophical reason but for the amazingly inconsistent desire to not offend the preconceptions of the audience. (Heroes don't kill kids. I can say no more.)

As for Beowulf, I liked it (though I'm with the comment above: I loved Stardust, especially for its attack on religion!). For me, the value of the medium was expressed in a reported exchange between Gaiman and Zemeckis. Gaiman wanted to write a certain scene, and told Zemeckis it would be too expensive to film. Zemeckis said something to the effect that every minute of the film costs the same, regardless of what Gaiman wrote. So he wrote what he pleased. The freedom of the page, perhaps for the first time on film. The Beowulf film isn't perfect, but I enjoyed it because it captured the spirit of the original. For example, in the moment when Beowulf tells his men to "sing" and they respond by chanting dirty limericks about girls from Iceland, or when Wulfgar, Beowulf's closest friend, mutters to someone while Beowulf is describing his heroic battle with nine nickers, "Last time, it was three...." And if "I AM BEOWULF!" "YOU ARE BEOWULF!!" isn't Old English by way of the Green Bay Packers, what is?

And I liked it that Gaiman found a way to bring coherence and unity to what is essentially a handful of disconnected biographical details. A favorite example: We see Beowulf's battle with the nickers. In spite of the wisecrack of Wulfgar. I didn't count the monsters, but I did notice that Beowulf fails to mention in his retelling the final moment of the battle, which we see: The last nicker is a beautiful mermaid-like woman, seen briefly and quite possibly played by Jolie. She has a distinctive tail that we will see again, on the dragon child of Grendel's mother. And Beowulf fails, as he has apparently always failed, to tell this little detail of the story. The sea is his mother indeed.

Grendel's mother is a brilliant concept brilliantly executed, however much its origin is in John Boorman's interpretation of Morgaine and Modred (without Boorman's rightwing misogyny, homophobia, and fixation on incest). Her last two minutes on screen twist the story into a Gordian knot I'll never untangle. And the pathetic element of Grendel is as wonderful an idea as John Gardner's solidifying of the monster into an Existentialist without portfolio. I was reminded of the terrible photo I saw one day of the typical deformed and crippled white tiger that breeders get while they pursue the photogenic and unnatural 4-5%. And prolifers note: Breeding once with Angelina Jolie makes you sterile!!!

In other words, Beowulf works as a testosterone festival with some boring idea sections, and it works as an artistic and literary vision with some hysterical riffs on Jock Lit. Porter Scene, anyone? So it's fake. Right, and when Edgar pulls out Gloucester's eyes and steps on them, it's really sheep's eyes. Ooooooh, you ruined Lear for me!!! Frankly, all CGI looks fake because, live with it, it is fake. Those birds were never fooled by that Greek's grapes, we all knew Apollo was just a statue, the moviegoers were only startled by that first bullet because it was a new experience, and Grampa may look "so natural," but he's still dead. Film is fake, books are fake, people pretending to be Electra and MacBeth are fake, fake, fake.

Art is fake. As Defoe, that beacon of Puritan purity who denounced Homer as lies and made his living forging autobiographies (including one of a whore only a bit less candid than Fanny Hill -- Scholars note: The origins of Fox purotainment), has said, fiction is Godless lies! So tell me a good story and I promise not to whine because I can see the puppets' joints.

Quote - recently a picture was removed for child nudity when only the head and arms and legs could be seen and it was a nativity picture simply taken way way to far , and as for when they get there thats bull this picture was removed with hours

Uh, so it had a naked head, arms and legs, and nothing else was visible, but the Magisterium was able to determine that it was a naked child and therefore to be cast into outer darkness? My surprise and dismay would be feigned.

I'm not going to track back who said, "In 3D, if it looks like a child, it is a child," but that is without question the silliest assertion I've heard all week. The entire function of art is to make things that look like something else (but, except in the eyes of total lunatics and determined Puritans, demonstrably are not). A statue of Johnnie Depp, I regret to report, is not Johnnie Depp, not even in "3D." And a drawing of Marilyn Monroe, regretably, isn't either.

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I doubt very much that SM will add copy protection to Poser. Much more characteristic to just drop the price to a point where stealing is a waste of time and resources.

I've seen copy protection on everything from 12,000 DTP to $30 games, and I'm at the "If it has ANY CP, I'm not buying it" point. I bought the Oxford English Dictionary ten years ago for $300. It's my second favorite proof that rape can be educational. It was copy protected by C-Dilla, and the pinheads in Oxford marketing don't support CP upgrades. C-Dilla is OS-specific, so I can't use the dictionary any more because the copy protection only works with pre-W2K Windows (and only a few of those). It was to protect them from all those unscrupulous English professors.... Sad. A bit like learning that William Shakespeare liked to bite the heads off puppies.

I play Zoo Tycoon a few times a month, and it has a "benign" version of the vicious CP on Sierra Games. That means that rather than wrecking my CD drivers and various other dubious computer parts (the USB ports, drives or not) and ultimately crashing the computer to the point that I had to do a wipe and reinstall (twice; I'm a slow study, and the last game was a Japanese horror movie RPG that I adored), ZT just hoses my CD drive until I reboot a few times.

Thieves expect thieves. Hence the marketing fixation on copy protection. And frankly, they are welcome to each other.

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Sortakinda. Corel ...see also Canoma) until they make no more dough off ot it.... then maybe they'll sell it off to somebody.

I think it was Adobe that bought and buried Canoma (I've been trying to buy it for years).

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Corel's orphan graveyard is freakin' HUGE

After MS destroyed WordPerfect (by a bit of "accidental" sabotage during the Windows port), Corel managed to turn the best word processor on the market into a Word clone. I haven't bought a Corel product since. Most recenly, they have mucked up PSP to the point that I'm locked onto 8.0 until neither WINE nor a version of Windows will load it.

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As per Linux versions?

By way of voting: I will dump Poser for D|S the day the Linux version arrives.

My guess, by the way: For $6M, Smith Micro wanted Aquazone and got stuck with Poser. Sorry, you have to marry BOTH sisters. Poser Prop is being picketed by anti-abortion crowds. Look for Poser 8 the day Cheney helps an old lady across the street, and if you have any plans for the G2 Olivia you already paid for (as if that train warn't done gone), get yourself some brown shoe polish.

I quit CP when my charter membership expired, and I'll be dropping my PC membership now that I have the "free" Stonehenge. But I bought a lifetime membership to PoserWorld after years of satisfied annual subscriptions, and they will have to pry PW from my cold, dead hands....

The biggest bargain in the Poser world, best people to work with, and the most diversified selection around. What you will not find there is the monotony of one more ugly, misshapen so-called wildlife model (and broken contracts) each month, seven hundred variations on the MFD and Disneyworld s.x (you knooooow, Crimee!), an endless repetition of "darkside DAZ" (Beardsley Lite) or Fredericks of Poserwood (impossibly engineered g-strings our specialty).

And they do "bespoke" at the drop of a hint. Authentic military gear? Covered. Biblical costume?  Got it. Medieval peasant? No prob. Secretarial gear. Yup and Yuppy. 19th C Apache outfit for Mike? -- Coming up. [Actually done and downloaded, some months ago.]

You won't regret a nickel spent.
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