When I was at Curious Labs site, I seen where the upgrade price to Poser5 is over $100.00 cheaper than when I pre-ordered it. This gets my feathers ruffled, since I don't even have the 5 on my computer. I have never seen softwear go down that much in price untill a new versions coming out. To me 5 isn't even like Poser4, too many things that don't work and it's too hard to do, what is simple in Poser4. Just had to get that off my chest. Thank you.

Caveat emptor, as the saying goes. Anyone can charge what the hell they like for pretty much anything, and any company will charge what they believe the market will bear at the time. My own opinion is that, yes it stinks, but then, I would: a) Never pre-order anything b) Never ever ever under any circumstances buy the first release of any software. The state of the industry in general says all you're gonna buy is pain.

I don't know what Curious Labs website you are seeing, but I was just there and although the price is less, it is only $10.00 less for the upgrade, not $100.00.

That sucketh, big time! I'm another mug who pre-ordered, and even worse... I still haven't installed it. My own fault really. I bought it for a simple reason. To keep up with current developments in poser and make sure the stuff I made was going to be compatible. Plus, I figured, I'll end up buying it anyway. Well, that was before the horror stories started. More fool me. I now refuse to install it until I upgrade my computer, which I can't afford to do just yet. So it's sitting, still shrink-wrapped, gathering dust. And would any poor sucker like to buy it? I doubt it. Well, CL must be getting really desparate to get rid of the damned thing if they're resorting to huge price cuts. Roll on, Daz Studio, is what I say.... and f@$k CL. They've got my money, but they don't have my business any more. mac

I still think the Poser software is amazing, and has opened up lots of doors for my creativity. I have yet to come up against the things that Poser 5 is supposed to do and does not-granted I am not a sophisticated user of the software...not yet anyway.

I've considered buying Poser 5, but these scary stories are making me hold back that 'confirm order' button click for a little while longer. Provided I have only used poser at a friends house, but even then it was pretty awesome. I wouldn't mind using a higher res character with poser 5 to check it out, but alas- I have not the cash for the full ver. Anyhow, this sounds really spooky.

"Never ever ever under any circumstances buy the first release of any software..." Agreed. But Poser 5 isn't the first release; it's the 5th. I would advise any new Poser user to stay away from 5 and go with P4 and possibly add Pro Pack when you advance. I'm praying the new folks in charge of CL will actually make P5 what it was supposed to be. By that time you'll be ready for it. I still wonder how many newbies started out with P5 and shelved it in disgust, never to look at Poser again.

Scary stories from people who aren't using or haven't even installed the software are worth.... what? Hmmm????? Complaining about a product which is still in shrinkwrap seems a trifle out-of-line. Repeating what others have said is equally valueless, especially if THEIR box is still in shrinkwrap also. It is grist for gossip, but hardly a determinant for a purchase. With a competing product in development, it is also worthwhile to see who is doing the talking; not everybody is upfront about their agenda. There are people who are currently using Poser 5. Some of them have problems and some of them don't. Some of them are doing amazing things and having fun, others are tearing out their hair because the learning curve requires that they apply themselves. Anybody who uses a disposable camera will have trouble with a Nikon, but it isn't the fault of the Nikon. I'd pay attention to the people who are working with it before making a decision as to whether the program is right for you. Find out how much other experience they have and their system specs. Base a decision upon facts, not rumors, especially if money is tight. Also determine what you yourself want to do. If all you want is to point&click and get a render of a naked vicky with the latest body jewels then this program might be daunting. If you want clothing with real folds, a displacement-mapped carpet and a mirror behind reflecting the light from the candle (etc.), and are willing to spend time setting things up, then you can work some magic. Carolly

I agree with pookah69. I think poser 5 is much better than poser 4, if it works. Unfortunately, they sold it with many problems. While it still has problems, it is much better now with the SR. I think poser 5 has great potential. It is quite different from Poser 4 which is something like toy (sorry). I like the direction of Poser5. I have to learn it.

Give me 5 over 4... anyday. I use it, I like it.

When it was just realeased an upgrade from Pro Pack was $129, now it is 135 Euro (and that is a sale, normally it is 146 euro) which is more expensive.

although i would tend to agree with a number of things here. i would put in my thoughts for what its worth. p5 is the frst vrs. of the 5ol. err something like that. such as buy a first release of the latest vr. of any software. tis only one reason im sticking with p4 for the moment at least till i feel i outgrow it per sey.. and until i find out all the lil (bugs tweaks quirks learning curve) what ever you wanna call it. i think they all have there points. after all this is realtively cuttin edge stuff for folks who dont live on the CG Graphics Farm and can affor Maya,propriatary software. work with it.

Poser 5 is fine. I really think a number of constant P5 critics aren't going to be happy until they've managed to bad-mouth Curious Labs into oblivion. I especially love the people who regularly complain about Poser 5 even thought they don't yet own it. And, as Jceaver points out, the whole subject of this thread is wrong. The upgrade price has NOT gone down $100.00. This is another example of more rumor-mongering that serves no useful purpose. -jjsemp

Poser 5 isn't fine And it doesn't have anything to do with the learning curve and everything to do with terrible programming. It may work for some but for many it doesn't. Obviously system differences. I own it and It still isn't working properly. Jjsemp, I especially love the people who regularly defend Poser 5, no matter what. Curious Labs has put themselves into near oblivion, and they've done it on their own merit(or lack of).

My two cents worth: Poser 5 can do well in producing a static picture, but animation with the raytrace renderer is a lost cause. With a very potent system, you may get 200 frames before lock-up....and there is no retrieval of rendered frames. It was a lesson learned, and that is never, never buy untested software. I've heard that a new patch is on its way, so I can only wait and hope that they will address this problem.

News Flash #1 Take all the possible combinations of hardware, software, and periferals people are running out there and no one will ever write a program that works with everyones system. Even the much anticipated Daz Studio will have bugs, even if they Beta test for 5 years.
News Flash #2 If you are running 50 nifty utilities in background and your computers resources are at only 10% when you start poser, youre going to have problems.
News Flash #3 For those who were bemoaning the poser EULA because they have had to reformat their hard drive 4 or 5 times in a months time. You've got a serious hardware or software conflict, which BTW isn't CL's fault.
News Flash #4 I've been around since the first release of poser and it's always the same story. "I gotta have it NOW!!,can't Wait." "I got it what a piece of crap" If you could check the posts all the way back to the first version upgrade you'd probably find its the same people complaining.
News Flash #5 Almost forgot the never read the manual group.
"Ah spoke in da microfone dingy an told it ta draw a nakid Vicki, an nutin happened,wuds wrong wid this piza crap?

Cheers :) Ralph

Oh... You still can't output sequenced TIFF or TGA files when you render animation from Poser 5? No output with an alpha channel? (Gif don't count!) If that's true... That sucks.

Good grief!

I lurk (as most old timers seem to do these days) but some times I just have to break silence..

firstly - a major upgrade will have problems. Most software companies try to beta as much as they can.CL was running out of money and they had a huge user demand to release the
beast. I can remember a release of Maya that froze Windows NT machines solid - under certain circumstances and only on
some machines.

Secondly you need to use the beastie rather than sit looking at it in its box, or conversely using it making a mistake and blaming the application. I well remember a question about memory - the user put DDR ram into a non DDR machine and blamed Poser 5 instead of his inexperience.

There is now enough hardware expertise and excellent tutorials around to help people over the initial hump of going from P4 to P5.

Finally I look forward to all the bitching that will happen when the alpha's and beta's of Daz Studio finally hit the streets. Daz has to some extent hedged their bets by making the base free but I wonder what will happen when the expensive dynamic clothing plugin fails to work?? Hmm?

Will we have the Daz "look what Daz has released now!" brigade launching a defence.

Oh by the way -yes I will use Daz Studio, like I use poser 5,my graphics pad and my pencil - as a tool. All are tools to convert the pictures in my imagination to something other people can see.

Poser 5 takes a long time to understand. I have only just started to make worthwhile animations.Yes you can do animations with firefly- hint ,its to to with the bucket size in the renderer;-)

I do commend the readers to Carolly's comments. Most of the Poser 5 users who have put in the time and patience to get the thing working are very happy with it.

I have had more problems with Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator 3 (graphic cards going haywire, systems crashes,etc),than I ever had with Poser 5. Microsoft has come out with a patch - that is probably "bad programming" too!

I am using Poser(amongst other things) for key framing a production of Brave New World by Aldous Huxley. When copyright allows I will drop the odd frame into this forum, I do not use the galleries..

PaulC

PS Carolly -yes I do own a Nikon camera

Hey Lapis, It's nice to be loved. Glad to know I have that effect on you. I hope it continues. And if people continue to complain no matter what, then I'll continue to defend, no matter what. Then there'll be a lot of love in the room. Oh, and Poser 5 IS fine. -jjsemp

Hey jjsemp...(you can guess the rest)!

sigh ah another P5 bashing in progress... I DO have P5 and PPP, and I must admit that I mostly us PPP, but that is NOT becourse P5 doesn't work. It works fine! Slower, but FINE. No lockups. No crashes. It works! The point is that most of my Poser work at the moment is testing and rendering the props I make for Poser, andboth becourse of the speed AND the fact that I prefer to have the stuff working in P4, I use PPP for it. I NORMALLY also test it out in P5, and so far the items tested did work :o) But to badmouth a piece of software you haven't even OPENED is ridiculous. It's like saying I don't like to drive in a Lexus car. Not that I've ever tried that. I'm HAPPY with my Skoda... But I'm SURE those Lexuses are a pain in da butt. Whoever talked about sour grapes?

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=1095831

"Poser 5 takes a long time to understand. I have only just started to make worthwhile animations.Yes you can do animations with firefly- hint ,its to to with the bucket size in the renderer;-)"

Please visit the attached thread. There are some people, including me, that would be interested to know how you are able to get Poser 5 to complete an animation render.

Many parts of P5 work fine for most people. Many advertised parts don't work as advertised. Some parts don't work at all. I use P5 90% of the time and am happy with it because of the advances over P4. I'm not happy with it because I made a purchase agreement with CL that has yet to be fullfilled. I do feel cheated too. Not so much by the product as it exists now, but by the way the company handled everything. I was a beta tester for SR2 (as were an awful lot of us). I complained. I think because we complained we were able to get CL and Daz to start talking about the EULA. I think because we complained we got the security code taken out. Most of the complaints were justified. Most of the continuing complaints are still justified. CL built up the hype of P5, and then released a product that wasn't ready. Kupa himself admitted that they knew the product wasn't ready when they released it. The did it because the company needed the money. Is it ethical to release a product you know doesn't meet your advertising hype because you need the money? Not in my opinion. Legally it's fraud. Sure companies do it all the time, but it still isn't right. When the product was unusable by some people, CL wouldn't consider issuing a refund. They did the best they could to fix the problems after the fact, but with so many problems it wasn't easy. I admire them for that. They're still working on the Mac version and SR3, but we don't really get status updates anymore. I'd really like to see a complete, outstanding bug list for P5, compiled in one document of what works, what sort of works, and what doesn't work at all. And now here at the 'sity, we divide into camps supporting or bashing the product and the company. Rumors are started and denied and then come true. People get personal in their jabs at each other. This is the saddest part of the whole fiasco. The second sadest is reading the posts in the beta forum chronologically. It starts with optomism, and slowly sinks into bitterness. However, it is still the best place to research for what works, what you can do to work around the problems, and what got fixed. I hope EGI-Sys comes out of this OK. I say EGI-Sys and not CL because they're the ones running it now. I hope we all eventually outgrow our bashing of each other. I hope P5 gets all the fixes it needs to meet it's advertising. I hope for peace in the Middle East, warm sunny days with just the right amount of rain, and for Oregon's unemployment rate to go down (at least by me). For now we can only wait. And people, please play nice.

For the Record I did have Poser5 programed in. No I'm not trying to drive the company out of business. Yes I read the price for the pp upgrade, instead of P4. My MISTAKE. I did not like my brand new computer crashing. I still think the program and how everything was handled sucks. Not just Curious Labs but I'm sick of products that don't work right and you can't get your money back. Thats one thing for Daz, You Can get your money back for just not liking a product. This is real customer serivce.

The saying is: Those who ride the bleeding edge of Technology are often sacrificed on it...

dlfurman! Great quote! And a wonderful idea for a render (grin).

I pre-ordered Poser5, within a week of receiving it I uninstalled Poser4 & won't be reinstalling it. I'm 100% behind Poser5 as it does the things Poser4 can do & more. Poser4 had bugs which I had to live with, most of the time they didn't affect me & that's the same situation I have with Poser5. I'm pretty sure that when Daz Studio comes out it'll be the people having problems with Poser5 that will have problems with Studio. I'll probably get flamed for this but 90% of the problems that are reported are to do with machines that are not up to the job of running such high demand programs as Poser or Studio. 3d Graphics Software being programmed today should only be run on top of the range machines to make sure you get decent results anything less & you're asking for trouble, which is what we've seen since Poser5 was released.

Ah. The weekly Poser 5 bashing poll. I use it, I like it, although I don't like the commercial politic of CL. For the rest, I totally support Carolly and Ralph. I'd just had that it's ridiculous to complain about a product when you havn't tried it yet. No, it's pathetic. Compiler

Although I'm not overly enamoured with P5 (and I pre-ordered it like most of the folk in here), I still think that one of the reasons it had so many bugs was that we, the Poser community kept bugging CL to release it ASAP. Perhaps if we had been less vocal in our demands, though it might have taken longer we might have been more satisfied in the long run. Lets not do the same thing with Daz Studio.

I'm using P5. I'ev been fighting it since it first came out. I have all the patches. I have a lot of slowness with it and several crashes that are easily replicated. I have a 1.7Ghtz machine and 1G of RAM. (I upgraded from 512MB recently.) If that isn't good enough machine specs for P5, please let me know what is. For those people who haven't installed it and are trashing it, yes, that's stupid. There are a number of us who are having serious problems with it and it's not due to low-end machines nor user error. Having P5 crash every time there's a texture file it can't find is NOT user error. Some versions of the patch allowed P5 to graceful error out and allow the user to point P5 to the right file. The current version keels over everytime. I'm getting to the point where I have to manually check every file with texture references in a text editor for fear a bad file reference that will crash P5 in the middle of my work. I have to check every light set before I render because P5 can not handle some light sets that work flawlessly in P4 and PPP. It's been documented by many people. That is NOT user error. Yes, there are user errors that are erroneously attributed to P5. Yes, some people don't have a good enough machine. On the other hand, some of us are having a lot of problems and it IS from P5. Please don't lump everyone into the dumb user/bad machine category because it's not true. It's frustrating enough to sit there and wait a while for P5 to switch screens or load libraries, let alone watch it crash because you forgot to check all your lights before rendering. It's incredibly aggravating to then read in the forum how it's obviously all in your head. Thanks.

I'm on the bleeding edge of technology, bought the worlds flashest graphics card two weeks after I saw the first review, (and I only went in for memory :) Now the competition, (Nvidia) have conceeded defeat, the GeForce FX 5800 Ultra, that was supposed to dance al over my Radeon, won't actually see a public release. Only those who pre-ordered before a given date will get one at all, and even they aren't being built by Nvidia. Seems they can't build them stable enough in even the small numbers required for such high end kit. Elswhere people are wailing, and making that keening sound that comes from buying a game (Sim City 4 in this case) and finding out that even though you have a fairly decent box, (in many cases easily outsriping the minimum spec.) the game runs like a dog. Once you have more than 5000 people in your city you may as well be watching a slide show. Poser5 cost me less than my Gfx card, and substantially more than SC4. Sim City 4 however, works fine on my PC, Poser 5 doesn't, go figure... :) I actually like P5, I never read manuals anyway, (especially for SC4 as it's in German :) I haven't read manuals for years, not since I taught myself to program in BASIC :) I'm also quite enamoured of firefly, some of the experiments I've done have been quite cool, you can do some really neat stuff in it, but I do tend to regard it as something of a toy. Because mostly, I import stuff I've done in P4 to see what it'll look like in Firefly, sometimes it's good, sometimes it bad, it rarely crashes or locks-up on me. But I just can't be bothered with the hassle. I bought P5 as "poser4 with knobs on" I wanted flash effects with very little effort. P5 is not that animal, it's good effects given lots of effort, and I've got better things to do with my time. Such as playing Sim City 4, dicking around with Victoria 3.0 or watching CNBC. Flash graphics card aside I imagine that there are many people like me, unwilling to read the manual or put in the effort, because they never had to with P4. There's a lesson in there somewhere about managing expectations, but I'll be buggered if I know what it is :) later jb

Crescent, you're right. It's really strange how some computers that on the paper should be running P5 is at best CRAWLING P5, while other machines that in theory shouldn't be able to run it, does so just fine. I wonder what the reason is. Not ONLY RAM. I have a 2.0Ghz P4 with a measly 256Mb Ram and as I said, my P5 runs ok. Slower than PPP, but OK.I'm just generally impatient, even with P4 so I only use P5 if I really NEED a P5 effect. But there ARE users that have serious problems with P5, and it's indeed not fair to bash THEM and claim that they're either stupid or trying to run the program on an abacus. P5 as all Poser's (ok I started with P4) is simply a STRANGE PROGRAM. operated by strange people, namely US :o)

Yeah, I'm being cranky. I haven't bashed anyone who's gotten P5 to work flawlessly, so I'm getting tired of reading how anyone who has a problem with P5 is incompetant or an idiot. I suspect that the programmers did workarounds to try to squeeze performance from outdated code and the workarounds only work on some systems. Of course my system isn't one of them. P5 is seriously strange - from what I can tell, the interface is built from Photoshop .psd files called up by XML code. I've gone in and changed the look of my P5 by messing with the .psd files. I went back and restored the original interface, but it was weird being able to mess with it that way. (And, yes, I was having problems with P5 - latest patch - long before I played with the interface.) Cheers!

Argh... don't mention SC4!! Bought the sucker just to find out my graphics card, which plays EVERYTHING else including Poser 5, will not touch this baby... and the software emulation freezes the screen. Silly NVidia!

I bought it, kept it in shrink wrap till the final patch-- which I hope isn't the final patch. I love Poser 5. I love dynamic hair, I love FireFly, everything else looks pallid next to it. Is it buggy? Are there alligators in Louisiana?? As far as I can tell 5 has almost the same kinds of major bugs that Pro Pack and 4 has, I can only work an hour, 2 hours 3 hours and it Will freeze, no doubt in the world. The problem is, I can't do as much in two hours as I could with PP because 5 is soooo slow. So, yes, I'm frustrated, I can't learn it fast enough because my patience wears out at all the reboots-- now I have to reboot my computer as well. And I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to do the multiperson scenes I did with Pro Pack-- the memory is not there. I have a high end machine, 2.4G processor 2 Gs of ram, 60G free space. XP Home. I'd truly like to love this thing but if the memory leaks don't get fixed, I'm sunk and will have to go back to my cannibalised Pro Pack libraries and be in library hell again. I can practically point and click and pose a naked Vicky with a sword. And that's Vicky 3 but that's not the problem-- it will take about 5 renders to get the lighting right and that takes at least 2 to 3 hours, maybe a reboot. That's without the P4 lights that make it crash. I took those off. Do I recommend anyone else put themselves through this? NO! Emily

Queri Said: 2.4G processor 2 Gs of ram, 60G free space. XP Home. Now that doesn't make a lick of sense. I'm not saying you aren't having problems, just bear with me.:) Either go to poser pros and check my gallery(only one pic right now) or search this forum for the weird witch pic from me a bit back... A very figure intense pic, v2, m2, garm the hell hound and the house mouse only name a few of the crap I stuffed in there. There is tons more and it rendered at 1200x900, while I was watching buffy. I did preview renders in ff draft which i could do while I surfed the internet..at most they took 1 or 2 min. Now for the kicker...xp home, 1.4 ghrz, 512MB RAM!!! 40g of free space(and right now i have 7 linked runtimes go fig) how is that I'm a problem free user and queri is having problems..it does not make sense...I can use poser while doing other things...such as checking email or surfing the net or typing or using a 2d program. NOTE: I wouldn't ever run a game and do this or be rendering something in another program that just blows common sense. There has to be a driver, or tsr issue or something going on here..I can't even figure out whys or whatfores. As for the textures finding problem...since sr2.1 It give me a dialog box again...but I've started using correct reference for it(see free stuff)

Oh, I get the dialog box, but it will still crash, even if I find the right texture. And I don't find out if it's going to crash unless I check every item I get to make sure of its file references. I can easily correct the references myself. The problem is, P5 will hang if there's a wrong reference, so I have to check all the references before loading an item. For me, P5 is incredibly slow for screen refreshes, changing rooms, etc. It really slows down the work flow. P4 was much faster for actually doing things in the program. I didn't have to wait 10 - 15 seconds to pull up a library. Assigning materials didn't take long. Yes, I love the added functionality of the Material Room, but it takes a long while to switch to that room. The whole point is, a lot of people with a wide variety of machines are having little-to-no problem while others are getting crashes on a regular basis. Attributing all of this to user error or crappy systems isn't right. If it's a driver issue, so be it. CL needs to find out what drivers cause the issues. I don't have any other programs with the molasses effect like P5. Even P4 is much quicker, and it's older code. (I'm just referring to working in the Pose room. I can't compare how items work that didn't exist in P4.) Sigh P5 is really sucking the fun out.

Have you tried the correct reference utility Cresent? It atomates the process and has come in really handy with all those runtimes.

Mine will crash and lock if I try to do much with it, which is why I limit myself to one or two renders from an imported scene, it's far too slow to throw any number (greater than one) of charcters around the screen, it's mostly typing numbers into the dials. I don't even bother with the rooms, switching takes ages, and you only need to try the hair room once :) Nice renderer though, very subtle. later jb

riddle me this : why does'nt everyone that still has probs. with P5 list all the programs they are using and perhaps see if there is a common link as to what may be causing these probs.? I for my part have had no probs. since the 2.1 release. --criticom--

pdxjims:-I eagerly await the image! Oh,BTW in the next few weeks I'll be ordering Poser5 (Let the bleeding begin:)

I used Correct Reference until it started replacing some correct references with others that weren't correct. Switching between textures, things like that. Sometimes P5 will freeze over an incorrect texture, sometimes it won't. It seems to dislike things it's never seen or rendered before. FireFly Draft runs as slowly as Production-- well, nearly, so I don't use it. Mostly, I get the 2 hour blues. After 2 hours, Poser wants to take a nap. Between that and not wanting to work with things it hasn't seen before, I'm knackered. Sometimes I get the Texture error, sometimes it just freezes on texture gathering or whatever it's called in the render. If I didn't have to render, I'd probably be very pleased with this program. Yup, that pic of yours has a lot in it,Tirjadyn, including dynamic hair as grass. I don't think I could have rendered it. I'm also fairly sure it would have taken me three reboots to pose and set it up. It gave me freezes on simple props, a terrain and one Bishonen-- unclothed. On the other hand, renders of Vicki 2 medium res are super fast generally. Emily

Hmmm... I really begin to wonder if there is a common chipsetmemory typeCPU errata related to all of this. Possibly even specific manufacturers. So far I haven't had any lockups using P4 light sets (and I tried), or a 2-3 hour seppuku event, either. Most I ever saw was one C exception with the DAZ MilDragon (and the screen refesh slowdown with added characters. That is annoying) Or.... Here's something. A lot of people who seem to have trouble are using P4's. I've heard and seen very few AMD user issues by comparison. And of those users, the CPU freq range seems to be mainly in the 1.4 to 2 gigahertz spread. Wasn't that when Intel was pushing the chip to get ahead of AMD again? And there was a redesign of the form factor in that window; actually 2 that I recall, that effectively created little ghetto's. Whatever chip you had was it; you couldn't upgrade to a new one due to pin count incompatibility and chipset support. There was also the fact that many of the name motherboards found a supplier of electrolytic capacitors that had essentially stole part of the design from another company....and not the really important part. Abit, Asus, and FIC I know had good boards that went flakey after a time, due to the capacitor farm degrading. And of the people in the P4 camp having trouble...what -kind- of memory does your system use? If it is RIMMs, there may be an issue there. If it is one of those transition boards, where they tacked PC-133 SDRAM onto the thing using a less than perfected memory controller, that could be it as well. There are stability issues no question...but there also seems to be some common hardware issues that might have some bearing on this, as well.

Well.. I'm on a 2 Ghz P4 with NO problems. Sorta destroys the theory...

No. I couldn't find the correct area to affect the folder list. There's a thread around somewhere that shows what file to hack into to change the font colors. (Found it: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=1085688 but I haven't tried it yet.) I can turn the parameter pallete into pure hideousness, though. ;-) And I have found how to mess up the font size for parts of the hair room and material room. It was far more amusing than watching P5 crash yet again. And, yah, I have a P4 1.7GHtz machine, if that makes a difference. Cheers!

Thanks Crescent, but that thread was about dial labels. No big deal, I stopped using P5 anyway because I--along with you and everyone else who can't get it to work--am too lazy to apply myself.

How large are people's runtimes? I have long thought this had something to do with it and been poohpoohed every time. However, I had NO trouble just using the P5 runtime with V3 and very little else in it. Then I added my P 4 runtime-- 24G-- some more problems but not too many. Then I started adding more stuff to the base Poser 5 runtime And that's when the problems started happening. 7Gs now. has anyone else had this problem? Shoot I was running V3 with full head morphs and no problems when my Poser 5 runtime was around 2G. Emily

Hrm...I don't put anything in the p5 runtime...all p5 stuff goes in the downloads runtime. then everything else gets separated out in my old metacreations folder. So.. P5:441mb Downloads 58.2mb P4: 3.10gb Aiko: 66.8mb Mike: 195mb V3:228mb Animals: 1.23gb I bought this pc over a year and half ago from dell...two weeks from p5 release I upgraded to xp with a copy from dell I had gotten 6months prior from me....and It wasn't a clean install(p4 upgraded amazingly well, I had more problems with compact card drive) And yet here I am... I've been separating things out pretty well though since day one..right now my p4 folder is only v1, v2, steph..scenery and props...I deleted all the p4 stuff that came with p4 since it was in the p5 runtime already. Cresent Bloodsong's page has the tut on changing the p5 interface.

I think we have part of the prob right here-- you, Tirjasdyn, have less than 4G total in all your runtimes and I have 7 in P5 and nearly 30 in Poser 4. I'm moving everything but V3 out of Poser 5's runtime and into the Download runtime and see if that speeds it up. V3 doesn't seem to be happy except in the application's runtime-- but she doesn't need her clothes and houses there as well. There was a big huge incredible difference from when i first started with Poser 5 and only had the first three packages of V3 in there-- ran fast, loaded fast, rendered fast enough, with dynamic hair. Then it got worse and worse and I kept asking if runtime sizes has anything to do with it and kept being told no. I'm going to see for myself. I'll post a new thread when I'm able to get everything sorted out and do some time renders. Right now, I'm so crippled with hand strain and/or carpal tunnel distress, I can barely type this. Catch up with youse later when I hope it will be good news. T, you're on a Dell not much different from mine-- that's why I'm more or less hopeful about this. Emily

You might be onto something there, queri.

I have all my stuff in my old P4 Runtime, except some few hairstyles and materials specific for P5. The P4 Runtime is right now at 12Gb. And both P5 and P4 runs ok. P5 slow, but I guess that due to the fact that I have only 256Mb RAM.

Could be interesting to know if anyone who have a working P5 also has a huge P5 runtime.