We did it once before and we can do it again, they our money, and THEY delete our Images and speech, and when they can't take it they LOCK the thread, so i say if your gay, JUST BOYCOTT them. and spread the word. i have printed out everything and plan to send to "certain Gay Publications" they would really like to know all about this site and how they treat us. According to there ( ROS) rules, and they don't go by TOS either.

Sarge....... Melory deleted her own posts... NOT Us. Don't believe Me ? Ask her. Thomas Poser Coordinator

I DID delete my posts because I wanted it to end...it got much uglier than I intended...let's move on to something else shall we? And just FYI...I'm not gay...I'm a happily married woman who has no intentions of boycotting anything.

Well you don't actually have to Boycott per se... You could consider something like a 'rosity diet. :D As Ronstuff suggested... give it 30 days. If stuff comes into the store that you want ask the merchants if it is available elsewhere or if you can buy the item directly. Kind of like treats. :D There's just a lot of inconsistency. Would be nice to underline it for them. If no one says anything, nothing changes. :) I would hate to have to stop shopping here forever.

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I'll stage my own boycott later this month - when I make a HUGE purchase from the Renderosity store.

Whats the point of boycotting? No one but a small group will do it and it will have no effect and even if it did they would never admit that they are effected.

Before I'll boycott anyone I usually need a REAL good reason (because boycotting involves forgoing products I would otherwise want)...

well it started with a two man picture being taken down for TOS violations ...I have seen the pic it was not what they made it out as but............... the hypocracy is still going such as the wonderful pic in the gallery currently with two woman touching CLEARLY each others rumps. but I guess it is ok as it is two woman. as for boycotting. well ... I dont think they will care really. honestly I dont. I alreay wont buy here now due to the lady cherry thing. as CUSTOMERS..and MEMBERS ...we do not matter. that is a sad fact.

It's only gay if two boycotts are involved.... ....or maybe two girlcotts... S.

~wipes up her keyboard~ omg I nearly choked on that!

Do you know that if every person, or at least the majority, in the United States refused to pay income taxes there is nothing that could be done by the government? When in this lifetime do you ever remember getting enough people of the same accord boycotting to make a difference in anything?

just silly. their site, their rules, their bandwidth bills. They can do whatever they want. I say boycott um if ya need to or want to. however, why is this my cause to join in? I certainly don't want to see gay art in in the forums, just as I don't want to see naked vickis spread eagle like a porn mag either. hence a TOS. my boss saw the picture earlier when I was on lunch break, asked why the man in the picture had his hand on his croch and why I was looking at it. Love feeling bad when I'm reading the forums. let's just make it all go away. rendersoity gone. then what? what purpose is a boycott? sending to gay publications? what do you want or need to happen? sigh at least in the 60's they had manefestos and you could figure out what 'movement' people were fighting for. There aren't nearly enough Space Orc's in the galleries and I'm offended! it's Racism! oh please.

Sargebear, don't wonder if your post will removed too, and why? not because you are a gay, because you post something like this in a 3D software forum that have nothing to do with this forum. Write a letter to ROS Admin or the owner if you feel upset. I understand this position and for me no matter gay or not gay, I don't go to say in my posts that I am hetero artist or? this have nothing to do with the sexuality, this have to do with the way of talking about, if you think that you are something special because you are a gay then you are wrong, in my eyes you are normal as all other members here so please calm down and do normal as all other around before we all (hetero-gays-lesbian-and all other creatures) change our opinion about you!!!! Hetera ;)

ok I am missing something what is wrong with being gay????????? as for the pic and tos sorry but there are far far faaaar worse pictures in the gallery right now then the pic in question. trust me it was tame compared to alot in the galleries currently.

oh and IT ISNOT THE TOS THAT IS THE PROBLEM IT IS THAT THEY DO NOT ENFORCE IT ON EVERYONE OR EVERY PIC. THEY USE IT SELECTIVELY. THERE IS NO CONSISTANCY IN IT. THERE ARE PICTURES IN THE GALLERY RIGHT NOW AND HAVE BEEN AND CURRENTLY ARE THAT ARE FAR WORSE THEN THE PICTURE IN QUESTION. note please caps are for emphasis. the TOS is not the problem it is how it is being used like a weapon that is the problem

Regarding the pictures you are right, but here we talk about the theme "BOYCOTT THEM" I can't remove anything else here as only my own images or posts so who are "THEY" I guess ROS Admin and Moderators that take care about so why not write to the right people, we can talk long time about here and nothing will change before the homophobic people that do this lost own "weapon".

Caps have no emphatic effect if you put near enough the whole post in caps. It's just tiring to read.

Oh great. As if it isn't hard enough to sell anything right after christmas, now we have a boycott too? And sure Rosity will get hurt. But not more than a mosquito bite, becourse not enough people WILL actually boycott them. But for the individual merchants it CAN hurt. And it's not like WE are the ones enforcing (or not enforcing) the TOS around here. You're shooting the wrong guys here, guys.

Simple solution, Require all new gallery submissions to go through a screening process before they make it into the public, for showing, and purge the existing galleries of what currently does not meet the TOS. It's done on other sites, and it can be done here as well.

Considering the strictness of this sites TOS, I'm suppressed it already is not being done, unless they enjoy the fruit of their laziness.

Clearly asking the user to comply willingly with the TOS is not working, as the galleries themselves attest, and the scattershot application of the TOS is in part due to the fact that users of the site themselves are not applying the TOS fairly. The current system requires people to report objectionable material, hence only the ones that get reported, are the ones that get yanked.

This, in my judgment, is a very poor enforcement practice. Its like flying over a city full of convicts and randomly dropping guns, with little notes attached that say, Congratulations, you are now a sheriff, go police the rest of the population.

Admittedly, my analogy is extreme, but if one studies the current system that is being used, one will clearly see that it does not work.

Maybe there should be a special gallery for banned images so that they can been seen and evaluated by the public users too, if they so wish. And maybe there can be nominations of works currently in galleries that public users think should be in the banned gallery so that discussion/comments about these works can occur too. Get some rationality, consistancy and fairness. Ha. Whom am I kidding? Never happen.

Personally I'm getting more than a little hacked off with people going off on a tirade about this site or another site. A boycott won't make any difference. You don't like the way something is being done, speak up, if your voice falls on deaf ears then walk away. You're not paying for the priveladge of accessing this site so they owe you nothing - not a bean.

For the record I'm neither pro or anti the way somethings are being handled. The TOS and the way it's enforced is a joke. You're not allowed nudity in thumbnails - what do I see on the galleries? Nudity. Personally I don't give a monkies if there is nudity in a picture, so long as it's artistic and well thought out then fine. But this one rule for one and another for another smarts of blatant hypocrisy. I saw one "offending" image that was talked about in this forum yesterday, I thought it was nicely done, very artistic, but at the same time I could see why and how it /could/ breach the TOS. Yet there are other images that slide past without a word.

In essence I guess I'm curious about one thing. The people who are continualy complaining in the forum about how this site is run and how they don't like the way things are being done - why do you still visit the site? Vote with your feet if you're that enraged, otherwise all your "controvercial" posts are hollow, just hot air.

I'm an artist, I visit this site to learn from others, talk to other people and share my art. So far I find a more open and welcoming atmosphere from the members than other sites I frequent.

This endless moaning and no backing up of convictions has gone beyond tiresome.

Nevermore, I believe that if you set your nudity flag you won't see thumbnails in the galleries with nudity on them either. But I must admit I've never tried setting tht flag, so... Also what is considered "nude" may vary. Then: I think a lot of the complaining around here is becourse people DO CARE for this site! They like it and they get upset if they feel it is drifting in a wrong direction. Sure they could leave but you must understand that they don't WANT to leave. They want the place to improve, not slip silently down the drain. That said, sometimes people's feelings run off with them, but that again is usually a sign of them being very involved with this site and it's wellbeing :o) I wouldn't want Rosity to go down the drain. I like this place. But that doesn't necessarily mean I agree to all that happens here :o)

It's not just the inconsistent TOS when it comes to images. Though the issues with trigger-happy folks when it comes to locking /moving threads seems to be related to that. I also haven't forgotton Lady Cherry. There's also the hypocrisy of them selling bondage stuff, genitals, and sex poses that can't be used here. Then there's the thing about refunds and copyright infringements. I asked for a refund on the GothicAngel stuff. I get an IM telling me it will be updated. I send another IM saying I don't want it, that I want a refund, and I still haven't heard back about the refund. There's also the sensation that they play favorites. Stormi's texture Charley was exclusive here. If GA hadn't spoken up, I wouldn't have known that it was a copyright infringement. These things once properly investigated and a solution found should be be told to consumers. Now I'm wondering how many other things I've bought have infringements that were swept under the rug.

erynoka1: I'm well aware of the nudity flag - I don't use it because it doesn't bother me as I said in my previous post (some of my favourite artists have posted images with nudity), I just find the uneven application of the TOS annoying. No nudity in thumbnails and there is nudity in thumbnails. And yet an image of such as that talked about yesterday is banned. Caly: I refer to the TOS as one example of what is wrong here. I agree with what you say regards the materials for sale here. The copyright infringement issues is shocking me and I'm wondering the exact same thing. Fortunately I'm only a customer not a merchant - if I were I think I'd stop selling things. As for the site itself - well I don't agree with a good many things about it either, I'm just a little tired of the asinine comments that keep cropping up here and elsewhere - people going on about how bad this site is - I'm not about to go into specifics since it may perhaps be viewed as getting personal. If people care as much as they say they do then why not start making constructive suggestions on what we as members would like to see done to improve the site. Use these forums to achieve that effect. If threads keep getting locked or moved - then my earlier comment about walking applies, and I'd be among those to leave. I've found the attitude shown by some of the mods heavy handed and unjustified. Nothing sed in the threads in question has been a personal attack, just a voicing of thoughts and perhaps an assesement of the situation that is a little too close to the bone for some.

You are hurting the wrong people Ernyoka, there are many, many other sites that merchants can list with. My refusal to buy in the RMP only hurts the exclusive merchants (and myself, since there are exclusives I'd like to buy). >> If you don't like it, why do you visit? Because, despite the R'osity officials' views to the contrary, this is a community of people, and I enjoy conversing with them (while trying to tune out the blustering of the thought police), learning from them, and fighting (sometimes) with them. And as for convictiona: My presence in the forums doesn't put money is R'osity's pockets. I have not purchased in the RMP for nearly a year, in spite of a growing wishlist of products I search for at alternate sites. >> Generally Without seeing the images in question, I have no doubt from the conversation that the TOS was enforced arbitrarily. (What's new?) The TOS is a joke. R'osity has one for the same reason fascists like uniforms: it makes thuggery look neato. I've said before that people who assume the view "I own the store so I can do whatever I want" do not prosper in the long term. Doing whatever you want, such as selective enforcement of TOS, is a responsibility, not a reward. There is no better test of character (as we saw recently here) than being promoted from inmate to trustee. >> Boycotts don't hurt Shrews ate the dinosaurs' eggs. May not have wiped the mighty lizards out, but it sure didn't make survival any easier. I've been boycotting Nestle for almost fifty years. I'm sure they never noticed, but I feel good about it--a few thousand dollars they didn't get. There is not an infinite base of customers, and eventually the PTB will offend, ban, or rip off enough people that it will be time to fold tents and go. Unless they get a clue that absolute power only corrupts the corruptable, but it corrupts them absolutely.

A few things some of you may not be thinking of. Rosity is one site that I can visit and NOT have to kill java, and the first time I visit any site, java is DEAD, DEAD, DEAD. There are a lot of HTML functons that on my machine don't do anything now, the first time I had a problem with them, I looked for something to KILL that problem. Rosity still works. I haven't gotten any spyware through Rosity, the same can't be said for some of the other sites I visit. I don't have to block a lot of flashing "You're a winner!!" banners, although, animated banners show up as a blank square for me. For all the flaws, and restrictions, it's still what I would call a fairly "clean" site, meaning not sending me off to fifty sites that I don't want to visit, or trying to have my machine log everything I look at. (The obvious result of that is more spam in the mailbox.) I can agree that the TOS is sometimes rather subjectively applied, but then, there are (Horrors!) PEOPLE making the decisions. IT's one of the bigger and more well heeled sites, but by far not the only one. The only comment is that the admin might spend a little time addressing answers to the unanswered questions, and I don't mean "Read the tos" as an answer. A hair trigger finger on the lockdown button isn't an answer, it's a copout.

A hair trigger finger on the lockdown button isn't >> an answer, it's a copout. Hence my comment about inmates and trustees. Vote with your $$$, folks. It's all that matters. Think about the 30-day boycott, mention of which got the hair-trigger all twitchy. How it works: no purchases for 30-days. If you want to buy something, IM the merchant asking if it's available elsewhere. If it's not, IM to say, "No sale then," and tell them why you don't shop here. Member report cards? We have member report cards? Do we get to see them? M

"I can agree that the TOS is sometimes rather subjectively applied, but then, there are (Horrors!) PEOPLE making the decisions." See, that's the problem. People suck. :) bonni

Boycotting is the wrong way to go simply because it won't hurt Admin or the Mods, but your fellow artists and brokers. If the issue is about gay art and male figures in general, then perhaps for the next 30 days people should avoid putting women in any of their art. Just flood the gallery with images of men to correct the balance.

Let's see, what items can I add to my shopping cart today..... If you choose not to buy things, then it's your loss..... You ain't hurtin' nobody. 'Cept your own self.

I kind of a doubt they'd notice a boycott. I have a feeling the customers who read this forum are a small fraction of the total. OTOH, the last time I got disgusted with Rosity and wandered away to other fora, they seemed to miss my dollars. I suddenly started getting all kinds of coupon and discount offers. So it might be worth trying a 30-day boycott, just to see if it happens again. ;-)

Jeremy, a Chicken was thinking about Sunday but on Saturday he lost own head. ;)

Rattler > You said : It's one persons (The mod who deleted it.) against another (The person who created it.). Not true. It was brought before the Mods, Admin, & Coordinators.... who ALL decided it was a TOS violation, not 1 person singley. As far as it being a singled out because, it was a gay image, not true. I'll post a M/F, F/F, Male solo, or Female solo image for review if I see possible TOS violations. I think its just getting publicity, because it WAS a M/M image. Just a little Clarification, Thomas Poser Coordinator

You're not hurting yourself XENOPHONZ. Or the merchants, Ernyoka. You can still buy the stuff either directly from the merchant or from another site. It is Renderosity that is left out of the loop. Do you really not see the issues this place has?! ================================================== It's not just the inconsistent TOS when it comes to images. Though the issues with trigger-happy folks when it comes to locking /moving threads seems to be related to that. I also haven't forgotton Lady Cherry. There's also the hypocrisy of them selling bondage stuff, genitals, and sex poses that can't be used here. Then there's the thing about refunds and copyright infringements. I asked for a refund on the GothicAngel stuff. I get an IM telling me it will be updated. I send another IM saying I don't want it, that I want a refund, and I still haven't heard back about the refund. There's also the sensation that they play favorites. Stormi's texture Charley was exclusive here. If GA hadn't spoken up, I wouldn't have known that it was a copyright infringement. These things once properly investigated and a solution found should be be told to consumers. Now I'm wondering how many other things I've bought have infringements that were swept under the rug.

as for the dallors youd be surprised how many do NOT buy here any more. and also yes many merchants will sell to you off renderosities site. the thing is - the TOS is not the problem it is the abuse and misuse of it that is- as for careing yes that is what it is. We that are upset want this site to be even... to be fair. I have written to others not just the forums. We do try and make it so that we go tot he powers that be..but in the forums it gets to the mods and admins a little better. We do try and make a difference. we are not just blowing hot air. But that is not being seen is it? I do agree with one thing...that a boycot while it would hurt rendo somewhat..it IS hurting the artists more. But as it was said the artists have other sites and/or some will work with a customer. why we dont walk away just flat out...many many many have. also like it was said...there are people here. That is why I know I have stayed this long. the people I have gotten to know.{though many are not at RENDERVISIONS or another site} Also if you notice with the copyright thing...rendo is still stalling himming and hahing..and skirting the issue..the HUGE site renderosity..but the smaller site like poser pros has already taken steps to insure its customers are happy and satisfied..worked with DAZ to make sure of it...that says something..actually that says ALOT about Rendo and how it treats its customers and what it thinks of its customers.

one image gets deleted and this image is a banner ad....of course there's no hypocrisy here...:>0

On the boycott thing... heck with it. I think if something in the graphics section is uh well questionable have it put into a special gallery with something on this site saying that in this gallery there is adult content or whatever. I know that some people out there may have concerns about kids,etc. But that's what cyber patrol, etc is for. With all the stuff in the posts, and all perhaps it may be a good idea to have some sort of poll on the issue as to what to do. Ranting, and raving about all of this is not going to help all that much. With all that's going on this issue I think this really needs to be discussed with all the members as to what to do. Brad.

LOL @ Cath :) I'll let you sew the chicken's head back on :) I think that even mentioning a boycott doesn't solve anything. If there is a male-specific homophobia problem here then perhaps the next Poser challenge should be to create an image of a male duo, gay or not. Perhaps there should be a lot more contests to support the usage of the male poser figures in general. Be proactive and not reactive.

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=579589&Start=73&Sectionid=1&filter_genre_id=0&WhatsN

ok I thought I posted this here but it was in the other thread but this will show the flat out double standard and hypocracy. ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=579589&Start=73&Sectionid=1&filter_genre_id=0&WhatsN OK prime example..... the pic in question was pulled due to the "maybe touching " thing and the "implied sexual situation" right? ok go look in the gallery right now. there is a wonderful picture there very very very well done. with -two woman touching each others butts clearing- very sexually charged situation. but.... it is left in. ---------------------------------------------------- I asked a admin about it....guess what I was told... that the pic is not sexually charged and that it is ok not a violation of TOS...hmmm but they are touching...the butts no less....and that lil mona lisa smile...with shear underwear on.....hmmmmmm I wonder why the smile... now to the admins.... OH FOR PETES SAKES COME ON! Yes a beautiful picture but it IS against your very own TOS. but apparently not enough to get pulled..but the other pic was....God ..no not a bit of hypocracy here.

Well, there's another alternative. A lot of forums here are not being used and should be shut down. In their place could be a different forum where the MEMBERS decide what is appropriate or unappropriate to post in the gallery.

PapaBlueMarlin...that is a great idea. P.S. I loved your picture nothing to see and uncensored.

Is this still going on....? :-(

Sigh! Hope noone become too rash in leaving. It seems odd, that nudity seems to be a problem and violence isn't. Just look at films etc. Lots of violence and very little sex. We are the only species on this planet that has trouble with nudity and sex. I could go on, but I wont

A few days before this pic was pulled there was a thumb pulled from free stuff because it showed a pair of breasts being squeezed by the same person's hands. Since that was pulled, does that mean there is a bias here against women? Don't be silly. I only saw the censored pic, but from what was described it sounded like the guy on the right had his hand in a position that looked like he was playing with himself, and because of the lighting it looked like he was sucking on the other guy's nipple. Sounds like the same TOS violation as the breast squeeze. Do you really believe that if the guy on the left had been replaced with a woman, and everything else in the poses were the same that the image would not have been pulled? If they saw a hetro image where they thought the guy was playing with himself and was sucking the girl's nipple, they would have pulled it just as fast. If you really think there is a anti-gay bias here, then instead of trying to form a boycott (which has little chance of doing anything), perhaps you should organize a movement to post lots of gay images into the gallery (avoiding sexually charged situations so they won't be pulled).

If a boycott action is accompanied by any kind of promotion of some competing site or business, then it's probably illegal, so you want to avoid that. If they did something wrong or discriminatory, then address that directly. After all, there are probably thousands of merchants here who are also opposed to anti-gay prejudice, so don't blame them.

There has been a "slight" change in the wording of the TOS. no implied sexual situations now reads no implied sexual acts This should make that particular clause a little more clear to the Mods and Coords and Members.. As to the image that was removed... Yes, I voted to remove it... I'm not a Poser mod.. But the Coords brought it up, I viewed the image and voted for it's removal. Why, because the one hand appeared to me, to be touching his own genitals. There was no other reason in my mind. I exchanged IM's with the member who posted the image. It was a VERY WELL DONE IMAGE.. During our exchange, I took a third look at the image. Judging by the Pose of the hand, It wasn't her intent to show it touching. It was still a judgment call.. There wasn't any Homophobic judgment involved. To address a few more points, Bondage images are not against the TOS, just read it.. What it does say is "no extreme or explicit S&M bondage situations" So that does leave some room for posting bondage images. There will always be gray areas.. As to the image Dark Elegance mentioned.. I also don't see it as a TOS issue... I agree with the point that the TOS should be applied evenly and fairly.. One thing to keep in mind, Right now, there is no Moderator in this area. Spike is helping out. Kbennet is on an extended leave. The Coords are still learning their job. They are very new at this. If you see an image that you feel violates the TOS, why not just tell someone? Poser is an extreemly busy gallery and forum, it would take a small army to patrol it 24/7.We all have "rael" lives outside of Renderosity, I know I do. The other Mods have been trying to help out as best we can.. I just got Poser, so I don't have a clue about most of it.. Unfortunatly for me, this takes me away from my own areas. Why not cut these folks a little slack and try to help them out.. As far as market place and Copyright issues... I don't have a clue, so I won't go there... Well, I said what I needed to.. I'm might actually try to spend some time in my areas tonight. :-) Bruce "pushinfaders" Renderosity Mojoworld/Terragen Moderator

pushinfaders some of us have volenteered to help. trust me on that. the image I used as an example is clearly a sexually charged scene. why else the shear dressing..the mona lisa smiles. the rump touching. anyone that knows me knows I have not a problem with sexual scenes or with nudity. -I- have no problem with either pic I have a problem when the obviouse is not accepted and a double standard raises. Heck a while ago {it was over the summer} I had to remove a pic because the gentials were TOO life like looking..not even TOUCHING. {btw I did it not because I got a warning letter but because of how lady nimue came and spoke to me and asked me to. she was very kind in how she did it that is why I had no problem with removing it} yet after reading and reading the TOS I could not see any violation of it. There needs to be a consistancy. an even handedness in the way things are delt with dealing with TOS. That is all most of us are asking for. Not some major upheaval of the TOS..just consistancy and even handedness. I dont think that is to much to ask.

From the TOS:
No Explicit sexual content [No manipulation of breasts/nipples/ no sexual situations/ no implied sexual acts/ no extreme or explicit S&M bondage situations/ no lewd or obscene sexual references]

Maybe I am just odd, but I do not hang out naked with my women friends, either resting my hand on their naked breast or they resting their hand on mine as a normal daily activity. Nor do I rest my hand on my friends naked or nearly naked rears in the course of my normal activity.

http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=566121&Start=37&Sectionid=1&filter_genre_id=4&WhatsNew=Yes

So it's ok for a woman to touch another woman's breast or for women to touch each others butts, but it's not ok for a guy to have his hands near his own genitals? It's not a sexual situation for a woman to touch another's breast or butt? I guess I am not in the norm because I would consider another woman touching my breasts as being a sexual situation.

Dark Elegance posted a picture when she says the mods say do not violate the TOS. I have posted links to 8 pics (none of which have been addressed by anyone, let alone mods...oh I take that back. Phantast asked in another thread if I wanted those pictures deleted, but doesn't mention they were actually viewed.)

After reading Dialyn's post making light of the situation and in my opinion not even addressing the same thing. As I said on another thread I think there are 2 distinct issues which either people don't understand or they do and are purposely trying to cloud one of them I am about done.

I have nearly $500 worth of stuff in my wishlist that I am < > this close to deleting along with my gallery and just not come here anymore. I'm sure no one will miss me, but at least I will feel like I'm putting my money where my mouth is so to speak and not condoning actions that I think are wrong.

Towal

I read your post with the images.. I know some of them are being reviewed at this point, which ones? I can't recall at this point.. Sorry, But, I'm getting burned out. As I said, to me in the removed image that started this, it appeared to me he WAS touching it. as far as Dialyns post, she's a member just like anyone else...She's not a Mod or Coord.. I'll take a look at the image you mentioned.. Then I'll ask for other opinions. That's the best I can do. I've been on here over 2 hrs and I haven't even checked my own areas, let alone my three contests.. I'm not making excuses, just explaining myself.. I'm really trying to help you folks out.. Bruce

Ok, now I have a question for you, the TOS says "No manipulation of breasts/nipples" is she manipulating the breast or nipples? IMHO, she's not Touching is a maybe... The difference between that image and the one that was removed is this, The TOS says "No Sexual acts [no depictions of sexual intercourse - between humanoids/non-humanoids/animals - no masturbation] " it doesn't have to be errect to be masturbation, so is touching the penis masturbation? Not always. Not everything is black and white...