My sister's husband was living here that's the first time we got Highspeed internet. He ordered it and we have kept that plan ever since. He doesn't live here anymore but he used to play online games and watch youtube videos.

All that I don't need. I don't need videos or gaming. and i don't really care for it.AND IT"S EXPENSIVE so i don't want it. I want to downgrade.

Are there options for people that just want the basic interent: Browse sites to read stuff, chat in text, email, fill forms like for taxes etc., use online forums etc. Download files but not huge files.

That's all i need. But seems these days basic internet is gone. Every internet option i see in local interenet companies is HIGH SPEED interenet. Where is the NONHIGHSPEED?

There used to be 12dollaraccess.com back in the day, when i had modem 56kbps, and i signed up for it. and yeah it was 12 dollars per month.it was great.

That does'nt exist anymore. Right now i have cable internet but like i said it's expensive.

And DSL is expensive too.

Is there any thing cheap and NON HIGHSPEED internet?

You could revert to carrier pidgeons! I also understand that telegraphy is coming back in style. :biggrin:

In a word, yes. It is necessary.

Try NetZero, they offer plans between free and $14.95 monthly

http://www.netzero.net/

If you live in the US, type "cheap internet access" into Google. The first site that is not on a yellow background is a guide to all of the dialup providers in the country, listed by area code.

My personal guess is, you're not going to like it. It's like after the first time you have sex... kissing and petting is pretty unsatisfying from that point forward. :)

Want to see what slow internet was like? Try browsing on a 3g smartphone. When you wait 3 minutes for a single web page to load, you'll remember why you wanted high speed.

You forget that pictures also have to download. Pulling up one page on rendo takes me about 40 seconds. And when you back up a page, another 40 seconds.

We get high speed (30 meg) for $55 month. Thats about a buck and a seventy five a day.

If you spend 3 hours a day average on the computer, thats 60 cents a hour.

What entertainment can you find cheaper than 60 cents an hour? Movies here cost about $3 an hour, and in evenings even more.

I wish I could find more to do that costs this little.

Quote - You could revert to carrier pidgeons! I also understand that telegraphy is coming back in style. :biggrin:

There's also the Pony Express ;).

Laurie

DSL is probably cheaper than cable, if it's available where you are.  It's $25 a month here for 0.5-1 Mbps.

The cheapest solution is to use a computer at the Library.....

More and more big companies are phasing out their not so high speed plans anyways, eventually you will be out of luck if you are looking for something on dial up quality. In my area 10 mbps is about the slowest we can get from a local company, then there is u-verse dsl service but frankly they are so horrendous here that we switched to a competitor and their 40mbps plan. But even when we had dsl we had about 4mbps.  And compared to some other countries our 'highspeed' net in the states looks like dial up... my hotel wifi in Korea was faster then my high speed connection here... a lot lot faster.

Quote - If you live in the US, type "cheap internet access" into Google. The first site that is not on a yellow background is a guide to all of the dialup providers in the country, listed by area code.

My personal guess is, you're not going to like it. It's like after the first time you have sex... kissing and petting is pretty unsatisfying from that point forward. :)

Tebop has stated he is in the UK. He has also asked more than once how to get a girlfriend, implying that analogies to sex may be of little value as a means to convey understanding.

I got it! Get a girlfreind with high speed connect, and just move in with her!

Both problems solved! ;)

It's almost required now.

Even Windows Updates are so big it would be areal pain to be on dialup.

I think if you have been using a high speed connection you will be shocked by how slow dialup is even in downloading your e-mail, just pray someone with DSL or Cable doesn't decide to send you photos.

Plus you can save money by using it.

I use Skype for my phone 90% of the time.

I can call anyplace in the US or Canada for $30 a Year!

This probably saves up $20 a month in long distance fees and we save by not having long distance service on our land line, which is I believe $12 a month.

My wife sells and buy stuff on eBay and both saves and makes money.  She couldn't upload the photo in any kind of reasonable time on dialup.

She talks to her cousin in Arizona who is 96 several times a week, free!

Anyway I think you will be disappointed if you go back to dialup you won't believe how slow it is.

Mike

Tebop, I still have 56kmodem and it works for me just fine except when trying to down load stuff over 30Mbytes, then its a 2.5 hour download.  Jan  that is the slowest you can get around 4.2 KiloBytes per second, but it also the cheapest, and with the savings you can purchase the latest Poser, Vue etc software.  Jan

Attached Link: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt

I agree, IP over Avian Carriers sounds like just what you're looking for.  

But seriously, what might work best is a mobile dongle, especially if you really don't need a high data allowance.

I use a company called localnet. Its a dialup service at about $12 a month.

Some phone companies in the area (but not my town) offer the slower dsl speeds for $15 a month or so.

I manage ok on dialup but I use the local library for downloads because of the speed.

Juno.com still has dial-up. They also have a free service available (though the number might be long distance) but you can use that to try out if you can handle dial-up now after using highspeed. I can tell you i didn't mind using dail-up until I had high speed. When I went back to dail-up it was almost painful.

Quote - Juno.com still has dial-up. They also have a free service available (though the number might be long distance) but you can use that to try out if you can handle dial-up now after using highspeed. I can tell you i didn't mind using dail-up until I had high speed. When I went back to dail-up it was almost painful.

Well i didn't say i want dial up. Isn't there a version of high speed internet that's les powerful and thus less costly?

I live in Belgium, (at about 60 dollar ???)

It is 48 euro a month, that is the cheapest investment one can make.

How do you value your minute? Time? Nerves?

Facebook, chat, forums, reference pictures, freeware and freebies.
HUGE downloads from time to time.

Free games, free Flightsims, Free entertainment.

I am typing on one PC, listening to music on another, (or watching a movie).
Testing Poser on a third and a 4th.

This is every month, my best 48 euro's spend.

Ok-OK-OK- it adds up, but hey???
One only lives once.

I do not live in Egypt;; ha-ha- I do not need gold in my grave.... I'll be as dead as a....

I am Fortunate in that I have not payed for internet access since I "Discovered"
the joys of unsecured WiFi
back in 2007.

I live in a major urban area
and can always find a network to access. and if not I am two blocks from a university campus where I can always get online with my Macbook if need be.

Cheers

Quote - I am Fortunate in that I have not payed for internet access since I "Discovered"
the joys of unsecured WiFi
back in 2007.

I live in a major urban area
and can always find a network to access. and if not I am two blocks from a university campus where I can always get online with my Macbook if need be.

Cheers

I don't like the whole wifi and going with your Laptop to libraries etc. THat's just lame.

That's why libraries and coffee shops have become the antisocial places they are now. It's so funny. Everyone in the libraries with their laptops and they don't even read actual hard copy books. And at coffee shops it's the same thing, nobody's talking to eachother

Maybe you can bundle High-speed access with cable, or regular phone service...although if you don't pay the bill you wind up 'off the grid'...;)

Quote - Tebop has stated he is in the UK. ...

I don't know...he sounds American as hell to me. I don't know too many Brits who would describe something as "lame".

Laurie

In the US the cheapest broad band would be a DSL line.

Starts at about $20 a month in our area.  Unfortunatly I can't get it where I live and I have Cable at $60 a month.

My friend switched from Cable to DSL and 6 months later switched back because he felt that the DSL was too slow for what he was doing.

The cable place has a lower pricied option for high speed interent. Do you know what experience i should expect from it if i switch to it?

1. My current is 49.99 per month >> 12 Mbps to 15 Mbps download speed.

And upload 1Mbps to 1.5Mbps

1. If i switch to the cheaper price it's

34.99 per month >> 3Mbps download speed AND 384Kbps Upload speed.

Is that gonna be a big change in my experience?

Like i said, i don't care about youtube video watching, nor games nor downloading large files. I won't do that.

I just mainly use it for email, text chats, browsing websites(not video sites), filling things like taxes websites, once in a while send email attachment pictures or receive, use forums. That's about it. Just the general stuff.

Hi

To be honest I don't really understand the way they rate this stuff.

My connection is rated at 100 mbps, but that has no relation to what I see when I download files.  That seems dependent on the source more then anything and I don't think I have ever see anything much over 4 mbps in reality.

So I don't really know if you will notice much difference, but for what you are doing I would guess not.

I have downloaded single files as big a 17 Gigabytes, so there are times that I need all the speed I can get. A file that size takes 7 hours or more.

Mike

Yep.. that going to be a big difference. Just consider everything will take 3 times longer, and some things simply won't be possible because you'll get disconnects and timeouts.

Windows updates will all be slower, as will email retrival and sending.

To save 50 cents a day. Our Aunt had slow speeds liek that, and pulling up daz forum pages was so slow I gave up even trying to read anything in the forums.

Forget downloading free poser content easily, and expect problems with content purchase downloads.

Honestly, downgrading would be stupid as hell.

Gareee i know you guys love seeing me here and you would miss me but i have to downgrade cause I have financia problems.

I apologize if i hurt you guys's feelings by not being here

Just buy one less dvd a month, or skip fast food instead.

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tebop

Posted Sat, Nov 17, 2007 11:25 pm

"yes im from CA :)"

LOL!!! Free broadband Wi-Fi  in my Apartment is "Lame"

but using a $$$Paid$$$ Service and complaining in the renderosity  Forums is about the Cost is the
" Cool " "Smart " thing to Do ???

"It's so funny. Everyone in the libraries with their laptops and they don't even read actual hard copy books. And at coffee shops it's the same thing, nobody's talking to eachother"

Perhaps they are reading 'Ebooks" and chatting on the web with friends locally or in Distant lands.
Or Checking  their DAZ /Renderosity Merchant $$accounts$$
or other online Financial business without the Cost overhead of $$ Broadband$$ internet you are here whining about.

Cheers

Yes, it's necessary.

What do I win?

You win the right to tell me why there's no MID SPEED INTERNET. why it's all highspeed?

I had a slow dialup connection until 2009.  By the time I had a better connection, many sites, including forums, were beginning to employ so many coding gimmicks and whizwhams on their pages that there weren't many places I could go.  I'd spend two hours checking basic messages at a handful of locations.  Youtube?  Absolutely useless to me, then.  MySpace, Facebook, Twitter, couldn't do it.  Even 'Rosity gave me troubles.  Updating my web space could take hours.  Downloading freebies could take hours, too, but I'd stopped even paying attention to Poser freebies because the Free Stuff page was too slow-loading and freebie file sizes had been steadily increasing until I just couldn't accommodate them.  With large, slow downloads, my ISP had a tendency to drop my connection after so many minutes.  It was pretty hellish.  I wasted huge amounts of time online doing simple things, not much at all.

Now I can do all the things I used to do in a short period of time, access the formerly forbidding sites, and much more.  The only trouble is that browsing is now so easy that I readily end up wasting too much time online.  So I'm starting to wonder if some kind of limits might be desirable, but I can't seem to impose them on myself (weak as water!).

There are pros and cons to high speed internet.  As more sites assume a user will have such access, the pros do seem to increase.

I don't get BB where I live (except for satellite and I don't hear anything good about it), so I'm on dial-up.  It SUCKS.  But I only pay like 10 bucks a month, even though that's more than it's worth.  I go through Netscape.

Make sure you understand what you're getting into here.  I get 2.5 KB/s, tops.

it seems rather bad form to admit (in a public forum) to seeking and hacking into unprotected wi-fi networks - what's known as WAR-driving around here.  perhaps one can do a thing, but that doesn't mean it's right or legal.  I ain't a lawyer.  but praise odin and thor that apple wireless networks are securely encrypted, to prevent this sort of unethical behaviour.

"hacking into unprotected wi-fi networks - what's known as WAR-driving around here. etc etc etc "

Many major Cities ( in the northeast at least) ,have  Free unsecured Wifi hotspots as well as most public universities
no Illegal "hacking in" required

but I Dont recommend Doing anything unsavory while using one Such as Warez Sharing,Porno etc. as one never knows who is monitoring the traffic on such free networks.

Cheers

Quote - You win the right to tell me why there's no MID SPEED INTERNET. why it's all highspeed?

3mbs might be highspeed technically, but it'll feel like you're wading through quicksand. If you're used to it, it'd be okay. But going from 15mbs to 3mbs... it'd feel like withdrawal from a really addictive drug. Survivable, but quite unpleasant for a while.

A speed which is not high speed is probably not expected to be a real choice. For all I know, ISP's are legally required in various places to offer a choice, but that doesn't necessarily mean that all of their choices have to be attractive or reasonable.

The jump from a 15mbs to 3mbs in your ISP's options looks silly to me. They should offer 10mbs and 7mbs or something. But apparently they don't. Maybe it's time to look for an alternative, if there is one available.

Or, if they're like my ISP, call them up and switch to the cheaper plan. If after a few hours, you've decided it's awful and you can't stand it, call them again and switch back. They might well do this. Mine does.

Take if from someone who lives in a third world country with slow internet. Yes it is necessary.

Probably because it's not economically viable or marketable.

How would you pitch such a product?  Companies can sell their net service as being either super fast or no frills.  Where's the marketing spin on middle of the road?  Their billing systems may not be set up for 3 types of net service and adding a third, mid range service may cost more than the sales they'd generate in return, since most people tend to want the other options mentioned above.

I guess it's as simple as that.

But why such little price difference between 12Mbps and 3Mbs..

It's 49.99 for the 12Mbps and it's 34.99 for the 3Mbs.

in my opinion the 3Mbs should be from 10 to 15 dollars, not 34.99

Because the infrastructure is there for high speed connections and the market will stand the relatively high price for low speed connections.  Since there's relatively little demand for it now, the old rule of "low volume, high price" comes into effect, even if there's no material cost involved.

Basically, companies charge what the hell they want.  Does anyone really believe a Custom Shop Gibson Les Paul is worth the money?  It may be worth it if you want it and can afford it but really, nothing is intrinsically worth the purchase price.  With the possible exception of Poser content, which is, IMO, drastically underpriced.  But that's another thread.

Quote - Basically, companies charge what the hell they want.  Does anyone really believe a Custom Shop Gibson Les Paul is worth the money?  It may be worth it if you want it and can afford it but really, nothing is intrinsically worth the purchase price.  With the possible exception of Poser content, which is, IMO, drastically underpriced.  But that's another thread.

Your analysis is probaby correct.

But this thread needs derailing, surely. ;) I can't remember where I was reading a journalist's suggestion that Apple apstore products are also way underpriced, given the work required to create them and the expected number of sales. He felt that the availability of free aps drove the price down by changing the public perception of value. He might have had a point.

"He felt that the availability of free aps drove the price down by changing the public perception of value. He might have had a point."

This is  quite true.
Since Iphone app dev has become a cottage industry with possibly millions of  Content creators Competing for IPhone consumers.
The harsh reality of Supply & Demand Comes into play.
This is the inevitable result of the "democratization" Content creation software in general .

Cheers

My God, man, dialup is....is....uncivilized! I'd rather drink muddy water and live in a holler log.

Quote - My God, man, dialup is....is....uncivilized! I'd rather drink muddy water and live in a holler log.

heh, heh. my connection is supposed to be 'up to 8Mb/s',  i actually get 1.9 to 1.6 Mb/s.

i still pay the same as someone who gets the full speed. people who live in/near major conurbations are actually spoilt a bit. those of us who live away from these areas tend to get a low speed, whichever provider we use.

Quote - heh, heh. my connection is supposed to be 'up to 8Mb/s',  i actually get 1.9 to 1.6 Mb/s.

i still pay the same as someone who gets the full speed. people who live in/near major conurbations are actually spoilt a bit. those of us who live away from these areas tend to get a low speed, whichever provider we use.

Ah, it can go the other way, too. I live in the downtown core of my city, and my internet speeds are awful, especially during business hours. In fact, it got so bad a few months ago, that I could only watch Netflix between 3:30 and 5:00 am. So bad that my ISP refunded me for a month's service when I complained.