Quote - If PP2010 stability is any indication and from what I hear on the RDNA forums, I don't think stability is going to be much of an issue. Unless those ambassadors are keeping secrets from us... :biggrin:

PP2010 is stable? When did that happen? I've had nothing but problems with it - crashes constantly, esp. when trying to use the morphing tool; renders never come close to the lighting in the previews (they did in earlier versions, so I've come to expect a minimum amount of similarity); floating library blows up constantly and the preview screen locks when moving back from the library, and it takes 5-10 seconds minimum for ANY control to gain focus when moving from another control. Frankly, it's the worst-performing version of Poser I've had since v.1. Still, I already bought PP2012, hoping for improvements, and D|S 4 completely flummoxes me, so Poser is the only game in town for me. 

Guess I should have said: "PP2010 is stable for me" just like DS3Adv is stable for some people. Overall, the RDNA ambassadors don't appear to have any problems with that particular aspect.

Which brings up an interesting thought. On my old system (P4 2.8gHz, single core, WinXP Pro), P7 was fairly comme-ci, comme-ca in terms of stability. Silo was extremely unstable. On my current systems (newish i3 desktop / i7 notebook), PP2010 and P7 are rock stable. Which makes me think: maybe I should give Silo another chance. Who knows: might have been the system, all along.

Yeah. Funniest thread I read here recently.

That Penguin man sure knows how to entertain lol

Aside from funny that mega post of his about business was spot on.

Ugly but true.

Quote - This is one of those alarmingly bizarre threads that are in the absolute core of Poserdom.

It pays off dearly to lurk thru all those boooring threads approaching normality and then once in a while finding oneself wiping the morning tea off off the screen and keyboard. All hail the Bizarre Threads (tm)! IBTL.

Quote - maybe I should give Silo another chance. Who knows: might have been the system, all along.

A new system won't make Silo more developed than what it is now (even deader than Hexagon, really a notable achievement).

If you still don't use Blender, do try it. B.t.w. they have now really started working actively with several people on BMesh and they are going to restart the NURBS branch (the only two important modeling facets still missing from Blender); when they will be in, I will stop salivating at Modo screen shots.

P.S.: if you need tutorial links, tell me.

An earlier version of Silo used to quit on me, but now I have Silo 2.2 on seven machines (WinXP 32bit, Vista 32bit, Vista 64bit, and Win7 64bit) and haven't had a problem.  I have LightWave 10 and modo 501 also, but I spend my modeling time in Silo, mostly.  I just like it.

Silo does appear to be reasonably stable on this machine (surprise-surprise :woot:) so I might use it from time to time. It does have its uses. The interface is annoyingly different from Blender's, which I'm quite intuitively accustomed to now. Until we've got BMesh in Blender, I think that Silo will have a leg up on that incredible app (but according to my BlenderNation updates we're not far off) - closer than "Daz-soon", at any rate :lol: but my heart will always remain with Blender.

To each his own. I can see myself doing a bit in both. Wish there was a Silo forum on here... we could use one. People whinge about Blender's interface... dunno. Once you've been Blender-ised, you wonder why all apps don't work like Blender. Seriously, it's true! :biggrin:

ETA: oh, thank, Alex. I actually signed up with BlenderCookie - got a subscription to the site. I just wish their tutes came as pdfs as well - videos move so fast for this greying grey-matter and it's hard to go back... "say wha????" or bookmark for future reference.

had my first experience with the new installer last weekend.  all of a sudden, it doesn't know the path to poser. and it wants to add desktop shortcuts for the outfit. :huh:

Quote - ETA: oh, thank, Alex. I actually signed up with BlenderCookie - got a subscription to the site. I just wish their tutes came as pdfs as well - videos move so fast for this greying grey-matter and it's hard to go back... "say wha????" or bookmark for future reference.

All Blenderheads here around might try this Youtube channel. Blenderheads and Maya users, ZBrush users, AfterEffects users, Unity users etc. etc. . Two playlists just for Blender. More than 2000 video tutorials in total :biggrin:.

About videos: if you use Firefox there are plugins which allow you to download in most cases the video you are playing.

Just read on DAZ forums, Thunderdome... pardon, Documentation thread in the Commons:

DAZ_EMerrit: I am the Product Manager for Studio as of about 6 weeks ago.
manleystanly: You have my sympathy.

The first time an exchange looked lifted right out of the script of an action movie.

Quote - Just read on DAZ forums, Thunderdome... pardon, Documentation thread in the Commons: DAZ_EMerrit: I am the Product Manager for Studio as of about 6 weeks ago.
manleystanly: You have my sympathy.

The first time an exchange looked lifted right out of the script of an action movie.

When I read this exchange, I hear manleystanly sounding like Schwarzenegger... :lol:

With the way Manleystanley talks about DAZ, his face should be on that dancing broccoli. Not to mention he's living proof that DAZ doesn't ban people just because they disagree or post negatively, but you guys over there will never believe that.

SnowS

Quote - With the way Manleystanley talks about DAZ, his face should be on that dancing broccoli. Not to mention he's living proof that DAZ doesn't ban people just because they disagree or post negatively, but you guys over there will never believe that.

In his recent posts he writes that most of his posts are being systematically deleted.

He is the living proof that DAZ is trying not to enlarge the club of martyrs (DAZ 18) not that they have changed their behaviour w.r.t. handling customers requests/comments/critics.

Sorry guys, but firms are there to satisfy customers needs and requirements, not to be worshipped like cults by the true belivers (yet another comment which shows the need I have for medications, right?).

P.S.: I register that there is a great early support from vendors/freebie makers for Studio4/Genesis. A less than 10 products on DAZ (most of them usable also with V4) and a few freebies floating around. Not bad for 6 weeks of public availability, isn't it? Like the roll-out of V4, don't you think so? .

A less than 10 products on DAZ (most of them usable also with V4) and a few freebies floating around. Not bad for 6 weeks of public availability, isn't it?

It would help if they could write a bloody manual.

Quote - A less than 10 products on DAZ (most of them usable also with V4) and a few freebies floating around. Not bad for 6 weeks of public availability, isn't it?

It would help if they could write a bloody manual.

Well, they've got a wiki.

ah but at least they still HAVE a wiki....sad sigh here....

Quote - Sorry guys, but firms are there to satisfy customers needs and requirements, not to be worshipped like cults by the true belivers 

Wrong.  Firms are there to make money.  How they do that is up to them.  Some may be able to make a fortune by satisfying their customers needs, others may decide it's not overall cost effective and go for the cult approach.  A cult will buy from and support actions by a company who effectively craps all over them.  There are plenty of them in business.

I am not stating or implying this is DAZ's approach, btw.  Just making a point about how some firms work. 

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In his recent posts he writes that most of his posts are being systematically deleted.

...did he complain that some guy in jackboots and a grey suit has been systematically pulling out his fingernails toom all the while hissing "vee haff veys!"

Quote - A less than 10 products on DAZ (most of them usable also with V4) and a few freebies floating around. Not bad for 6 weeks of public availability, isn't it?

You need more fingers: A quick check showed 14 here at Renderosity and 60 at the DAZ store.  :/

You know? For someone who refuses to go near the place, you sure spend a lot of time here moaning about it...

Quote - A less than 10 products on DAZ (most of them usable also with V4) and a few freebies floating around. Not bad for 6 weeks of public availability, isn't it?

It would help if they could write a bloody manual.

My responsibility for that stopped at v1.0, thanks much.

BTW, if you think there needs to be a better one, nothing is stopping you from telling them that. Better yet - instead of making another product, you could always write a quick book (a'la Inside Poser ) and make a bundle of dough that way...

"not to be worshipped like cults by the true belivers "

Supporting the products of a company does not make you a cult member or "true believer". I like DAZ Studio, I like the people that I deal with over there, and I like the products.

"A less than 10 products on DAZ (most of them usable also with V4) and a few freebies floating around. Not bad for 6 weeks of public availability, isn't it?"

I agree that DAZ could have launched Genesis better, but I believe the techniques for preparing clothing for Genesis are different enough that PAs have needed time to adjust and learn some new things. There will not be a lack of support for this figure.

"You know? For someone who refuses to go near the place, you sure spend a lot of time here moaning about it..."

That's what they mean when they say "where the fun is", it's constantly browsing the DAZ Commons looking for any and all negative posts and then cackling about them while surrounded by dancing broccolis.  ;)

SnowS

BTW, if you think there needs to be a better one, nothing is stopping you from telling them that. Better yet - instead of making another product, you could always write a quick book (a'la Inside Poser ) and make a bundle of dough that way...

You're acting as if Daz Studio 4 Pro has a manual.

If I could intuit the functions of Daz Studio 4 Pro and write a book about it I'd leave this 3d stuff behind and become a professional psychic.

Sorry, I thought it would be self evident that I was talking about third party products. It was not self evident. My wrong. Note to myself: always state everything, especially the obvious.

Anyone else noticed it's September yet?

Alexcoppo wrote,

Quote - Like the roll-out of V4, don't you think so? .

No, I imagine that will happen when V5 comes out.

Alexcoppo wrote,

Quote - He is the living proof that DAZ is trying not to enlarge the club of martyrs (DAZ 18)

Ah yes, the self proclaimed martyrs. :laugh: :lol: Well, now that I think about it, these definitions for martyr do seem to fit them to a T.......

Oxford dictionary,
a person who displays or exaggerates their discomfort or distress in order to obtain sympathy or admiration.

Dictionary.com,
a person who seeks sympathy or attention by feigning or exaggerating pain, deprivation, etc.

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Hmm somebody must have hit a nerve.  :)

Apparently I did.

Coldrake

From all the squawking I think its the other way around

Now I know I did.

Coldrake

What more squawk?  Is the egg laid yet?  :)

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You're acting as if Daz Studio 4 Pro has a manual.

Good point. My bad. 

Quote - If I could intuit the functions of Daz Studio 4 Pro and write a book about it I'd leave this 3d stuff behind and become a professional psychic.

So it's too hard for you then? It's okay to say yes (or just wait until the manual comes out).

Personally, I still use DS3, as it's lighter/faster and easier on the GUI, even on the i7/6GB/NVIDIA laptop I tool with it on.

Yes, learning sortware without a manual is too hard for me. Maybe I'm unusual??

At this point I will turn my attention to Maya 2012 human IK and see if I can get my model moving in Motion Builder. Great stuff, but it's no Daz Studio...

Getting banned from the Daz forums is not difficult. Getting un-banned is the real challenge.

getting banned anywhere is not difficult, just do something on a regular basis that is against the TOS and ignore the moderators when they tell you not to, getting unbanned generally is as simple as promising not to do what you did to get banned and sticking by that promise.

Quote - getting banned anywhere is not difficult, just do something on a regular basis that is against the TOS and ignore the moderators when they tell you not to, getting unbanned generally is as simple as promising not to do what you did to get banned and sticking by that promise.

When you dunce cap period is over, you are not unbanned automatically on DAZ (I know).

Probably you have to crawl on your knees (with an appropriately bend back) asking for sovreign mercy. Another alternative is to remain erect (unusual choice) and tell them to stick you know what you know where.

Broccolis do not bend, bending is serfs task.

You're right wdupre.  Make a promise keep the promise. 

Even if it is 26 years old and the woman you made it to is an ocean away.

Quote - When you dunce cap period is over, you are not unbanned automatically on DAZ

Sorry... did  you think you were so important on a forum over a hundred thousand or so registered users, that you would be paid attention to after getting the boot? 

Quote -  Another alternative is to remain erect (unusual choice) and tell them to stick you know what you know where.

It'd be easier to believe your assertions that you're the better of the two, well, if you weren't constantly harping about 'em at every turn. 

Here's a better idea: If you're so certain that you're right and that they are wrong, how about ignoring them and any mention thereof? You know, instead of all this passive-aggressive harping? 

Unfortunately the right to speak freely is also against the Daz TOS. That's what got me banned the first time. Wdupre, ex-moderator at Daz can tell you all about it.

quote Alexcoppo :

When you dunce cap period is over, you are not unbanned automatically on DAZ (I know).

Probably you have to crawl on your knees (with an appropriately bend back) asking for sovreign mercy.

Almost complete answer. It's not "probably" and what you don't mention is that after your begging (if you are lucky) you will be sent a "your case is being considered" type of email by their main moderator following which you will be ignored for the remainder of your life by said moderator. Unless you use some clever tactics such as the Dan Farr Flanking Maneuver.

"Unfortunately the right to speak freely is also against the Daz TOS"

One's right to speak freely is not against the TOS. One's right to be a raging DAZ-bashing accusation-hurling asshat who will not let a topic go when asked to is not.

People were banned for saying things on another site not related to Daz, not for anything they did in the Daz forums.

Not sure I understand the logic of this. Daz is the loser as they have turned away their custom. What an odd business decision and odd they think they can control what people say on other sites not connected with them.

What is more odd is how supporters of Daz (the spies who have been reporting back) think they are helping the company they love so much when they have actually damaged them financially. :unsure:

Quote - getting banned anywhere is not difficult, just do something on a regular basis that is against the TOS and ignore the moderators when they tell you not to, getting unbanned generally is as simple as promising not to do what you did to get banned and sticking by that promise.

total tosh!   you can get banned even if you don't go against TOS!  especially at a certain site.

just post a few sarky comments about their flagship app's shortcomings or certain weird decisions like vaulting stuff or discuss legitimate concerns (at a totally different forum)and you get banned.

...and, here come the cries of "Help Help! I'm being oppressed!"

Lookit kids, it's real simple... if you act like a dummy, they're going to give you the boot. Just ask the PTB here how a certain gent by the name of ... went (crap - couldn't recall his last name - thank Heaven for Google sometimes...)  

The guy would stay just on this side of the TOS, but turned out to be a royal pain in everyone's ass. It was like that half drunk and disruptive uncle at the family reunion that everyone was creeped out by, and would specifically instruct their kids to keep the hell away from.

You were probably that guy at the reunion. Try not to be in the future, and you should do okay.

Oh my stars and garters!

Steve, seriously? What exactly do those stupid eggs really do for you? Yes I've seen the website. No, I still don't get it.

"What is more odd is how supporters of Daz (the spies who have been reporting back) think they are helping the company they love so much when they have actually damaged them financially."

And it's hilarious that they complain about "spies" when they spend an unusual amount of time quoting any posts even remotely anti-DAZ from the Commons to share with each other and try to use to prove that DAZ = bad. When you're a spy, everyone else looks like a spy too.

And hurting DAZ financially? Because a handful (yes, that's what they are) of users who likely did a lot more bitching than buying walked out? I think DAZ will live.

"Lookit kids, it's real simple... if you act like a dummy, they're going to give you the boot. "

Amazing that is so hard for people to understand. They'd throw your butt out of a real-world store; you don't have the right to be a royal pain in the ass in a virtual one either.

Quote - Oh my stars and garters!

How does the egg thing work?

Whoa! I typed his name in, and it got wiped.

Question for the R'osity PTB. Did Ron really blow the gaskets that badly, that his name is edited out even when intentionally typed... eight years later?

s'okay if that's still the case and all, but damn... color me impressed.

Quote - > Quote - Oh my stars and garters!

How does the egg thing work?

It's simple html in my signature box under "My Forum Options" link above. The code is from http://dragcave.net/. Other than that, they're just a fun waste of time to decorate your posts with. Nothing to take seriously. I like planting them in contentious threads that get the most views because it makes them hatch and I prefer hatching eggs over arguing any day of the week.

RU Sirius? I wonder if they have a table in the DB they query against (and who else is in it) or if RK's name is hardcoded. Not that he would be undeserving of such an honor, but sheesh, even the old Communist leaders & Charlie Sheen get rehabilitated at some point.

Quote - And hurting DAZ financially? Because a handful (yes, that's what they are) of users who likely did a lot more bitching than buying walked out? I think DAZ will live.

Going thru the same thing in reverse where I work, but that's a different  story.

But I have to laugh. There are how many registered PC members? There are how many other buyers non-PC. So 5 to 12 people leave and take a couple hundred in sales for an entire year. I bet the receptionist makes more then that a week!!!!! And how many new customers did Daz get in the last 90 days? I'm gone. Their history because I left...NOT!!!!

It's only natural for a CEO or a sales manager to fret over negative noise no matter how small or how many people are involved when it happens, until they learn they are better off ignoring and spending their time getting back to the things that increase their sales and or profits.

How does that saying go...something like...you can make some of the people happy some of the time. But you can't make all of the people happy all of the time.

Quote - RU Sirius? I wonder if they have a table in the DB they query against (and who else is in it) or if RK's name is hardcoded. Not that he would be undeserving of such an honor, but sheesh, even the old Communist leaders & Charlie Sheen get rehabilitated at some point.

Quite serious... I typed the full name out, and a while later popped back in and noticed the name was replaced by ".." 

That boy's earth is salted...