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Subject: The unmentioned death of DSON importation...
Dude, it's not secret conspiracy to kill Daz figures in Poser. DSON is a...PYTHON 2 SCRIPT OWNED BY DAZ3D. Poser is moving on to...PYTHON3. If you want to complain to someone it might be DAZ3D or the folks who make python. Daz34d probably doesn't give a rats ass about DSON and would rather you use DS. You want to do that?
All the Generation 4 ( and Generation 3) figures still work and DO NOT REQUIRE PYTHON OR DSON TO WORK.
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No, the problem is that Poser 12 uses a new version of Python. It wasn't just DSON. All the Python scripts have issues with the new Poser (though some are easier to fix than others).
Bondware is trying to update some scripts, and some people who wrote their own are fixing them. But DSON is DAZ's. If it's going to be fixed, they have to do it, and they are no longer updating DSON.
It's not a secret.
https://www.posersoftware.com/article/469/how-poser-python-and-dson-work-together
ghostship2 posted at 10:46PM Tue, 17 November 2020 - #4404949
Dude, it's not secret conspiracy to kill Daz figures in Poser. DSON is a...PYTHON 2 SCRIPT OWNED BY DAZ3D. Poser is moving on to...PYTHON3. If you want to complain to someone it might be DAZ3D or the folks who make python. Daz34d probably doesn't give a rats ass about DSON and would rather you use DS. You want to do that?
All the Generation 4 ( and Generation 3) figures still work and DO NOT REQUIRE PYTHON OR DSON TO WORK.
Well until this point I sort of respected you but clearly not. The Python point is not at hand. The point is that Bondware changed to P3 coding knowing full well they would not only kill most of the P2 programs and plugins. Clearly they knew there were compatibility issues and clearly they were aware DSON would be a victim. As my discussion with Mr. Taylor proved - they clearly didn't care that they were alienating and cutting off the hand that feeds them. Sadly the Vic4Mike4 figures still look more real than the current Poser Franken-figures. But you don't rip out the ability that half of your customer base uses. Why would you do that? Think about...hypothesize that you own Poser software and you know that possibly up to 50% of your customers are using DAZ figures in your program. Would you cut them off? 25%? 10%? Sure new python might be cool and better but do you adopt and harm your customer base? Only an idiot does that. The smarter idiot tries to find a work-around to get both. No they can't rewrite DSON but they could have worked with DAZ to update it. I'm sure DAZ doesn't want their Poser using customers lost either. It would behoove them. But this situation shows me just how unwanted and how unconcerned Bondware (like Smith) is with what hardcore and old-*ss users like me expect and want. This is why the program is all but dead. I shall speculate that unless serious changes are made, there won't be a Poser 13. They're alienating their base - the people who have lined up for the updates year after year. I began with Poser 2.0 with Meta Creations. I've been in line with cash until 11. 11 I would not buy because it was terrible. Clearly I wasn't the only one or Smith wouldn't have strangled the program...they planned on killing it until Bondware stepped in. Smith was done with it. Lost more than they made. I was part of the beta team at that point and I wailed like other members did about what was being done and not done. This same software-killing direction they took with 11 continues with Bondware. They're just slinging around a corpse of a program at this point. And I love Poser. I live for it and I'm not a Poser hater - I'm just the opposite - I want this program to survive and continue on but like so many others I'm watching it be run into the ground. I gotta say something at this point. Dropping DSON is stupid. I don't care what argument you make, you shouldn't have released without some sort of DSON compatibility. I won't buy it and others aren't going to either because of our immense DAZ libraries that require DSON. You're shoving us off onto DAZ Studio, Bondware...you do realize that right??? And we don't wanna go. Take our DSON and we have no choice. Think on that.
@JAG I'm an old timer just like you. I've been using Poser since version 1 on my old Mac Quadra 660AV. I'd like to point out that you have no idea how many people actually use Genesis figures in Poser. I'm not going to get into an argument with you about it. Get mad at DAZ3D or nag them to update DSON cause you are barking up the wrong tree.
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@JAG As former Poser Beta tester you should know that the DSON script is owned by DAZ and that Smith Micro, now Bondware could/can not legally update it by their own. The move from Python 2 to 3 was absolute necessary . Python 2 is not longer supported , no security patches, no updates. Poser can not stay forever in the past and use outdated scripts, codes because some people have problems to move in the 21 century . Get over it.
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They had no choice. They held off updating Poser's version of Python as long as possible, but its end of life date is 2020. As with Adobe Flash, the end is nigh. They were forced to update, and that meant breaking all the old scripts, including DSON. They did not want to do this. There's a lot of scripts besides DSON that are affected.
DAZ is the only one who can fix this, and they're clearly not interested. They haven't updated DSON in ten years. It doesn't work with any figures past Genesis 2, which suggests they really aren't getting a lot of money from Poser users. Or Poser users have figured out other ways than DSON.
TheAnimaGemini posted at 4:44AM Wed, 18 November 2020 - #4404965
@JAG As former Poser Beta tester you should know that the DSON script is owned by DAZ and that Smith Micro, now Bondware could/can not legally update it by their own. The move from Python 2 to 3 was absolute necessary . Python 2 is not longer supported , no security patches, no updates. Poser can not stay forever in the past and use outdated scripts, codes because some people have problems to move in the 21 century . Get over it.
Wow, why don't you just call me "boomer" while you're at it. Don't pop an attitude with me. I haven't had two words with you. You jumped into this discussion thread and proceed to A - lecture me and B - pop an attitude? Who are you anyway? If you'd read the whole thread you'd have noted that I stated quite clearly that I know DSON is DAZ proprietary and I didn't ask Bondware to alter it. You're a dimwit who doesn't read evidently. What I asked or rather curtly demanded, was that they not remove compatibility or at least negotiate with DAZ to put out a new version that is P3 compatible. C'mon man (to quote Biden) cutting off DSON hurts both DAZ (who gain from selling more figures and clothing and props) and Bondware who can't afford to lose more users of their software. This "Get over it," mentality you're spouting is exactly why Smith doesn't own Poser any longer. They lost money on 11. Why don't you "DEAL WITH THAT," and therefore admit by default that this why Bondware now has it and that following the same exact business path is going to lead to the same dead end.
So quite kindly butt out of a conversation you're not intellectually compatible enough with to discuss. If you can't read my entire post, don't bother commenting. Get over it indeed. What childish nonsense. Why don't you pop out with the rubber and glue while you're at it.
randym77 posted at 4:50AM Wed, 18 November 2020 - #4404966
They had no choice. They held off updating Poser's version of Python as long as possible, but its end of life date is 2020. As with Adobe Flash, the end is nigh. They were forced to update, and that meant breaking all the old scripts, including DSON. They did not want to do this. There's a lot of scripts besides DSON that are affected.
DAZ is the only one who can fix this, and they're clearly not interested. They haven't updated DSON in ten years. It doesn't work with any figures past Genesis 2, which suggests they really aren't getting a lot of money from Poser users. Or Poser users have figured out other ways than DSON.
I thank you for the input but you are completely wrong. DSON works right on up to Gen8 figures. I know - I use them daily. They have updated DSON in the last few years and I'm using the most recent version with DAZStudio 4. Not sure where you came up with that. And they do stand to lose a lot because I'm not the only one who still uses DSON. Again, we'll see. I give Poser another two years at best. The whole reason I suspect they've released this half-hearted 12 is to generate funds to keep the project afloat. Meaning 11.3 sales died on the shelf. The program is all but done not do to users or love but due to clear mismanagement over the last 8 years. We'll see in a year or two whether I'm a crazy, old, ranting boomer or not. I predicted the crash for 11 and I am on record with the Beta team having warned them about it all. So unless you've got experience with this software dating back to the mid-1990's, I suggest you all keep your opines to yourself and stop telling me to get over it. When this software crashes and burns as it nearly did with Smith, and your software stops working and you're out the money and tool...the laughter you hear in the back of your mind will be the memory of me warning you all. Crash and burn coming.
Find a way to save DAZ compatibility or all will be sad.
ghostship2 posted at 4:58AM Wed, 18 November 2020 - #4404964
@JAG I'm an old timer just like you. I've been using Poser since version 1 on my old Mac Quadra 660AV. I'd like to point out that you have no idea how many people actually use Genesis figures in Poser. I'm not going to get into an argument with you about it. Get mad at DAZ3D or nag them to update DSON cause you are barking up the wrong tree.
I've already barked at DAZ about it. But as you know DAZ vs. Poser is a death match for both companies. DSON was the last vestige of cooperation between them. As for how many DAZ figure users there are? Go run a search in the forum for Genesis and see. Bondware could run a poll but I doubt they'd like the results.
JAG posted at 5:29AM Wed, 18 November 2020 - #4404976
TheAnimaGemini posted at 4:44AM Wed, 18 November 2020 - #4404965
@JAG As former Poser Beta tester you should know that the DSON script is owned by DAZ and that Smith Micro, now Bondware could/can not legally update it by their own. The move from Python 2 to 3 was absolute necessary . Python 2 is not longer supported , no security patches, no updates. Poser can not stay forever in the past and use outdated scripts, codes because some people have problems to move in the 21 century . Get over it.
Wow, why don't you just call me "boomer" while you're at it. Don't pop an attitude with me. I haven't had two words with you. You jumped into this discussion thread and proceed to A - lecture me and B - pop an attitude? Who are you anyway? If you'd read the whole thread you'd have noted that I stated quite clearly that I know DSON is DAZ proprietary and I didn't ask Bondware to alter it. You're a dimwit who doesn't read evidently. What I asked or rather curtly demanded, was that they not remove compatibility or at least negotiate with DAZ to put out a new version that is P3 compatible. C'mon man (to quote Biden) cutting off DSON hurts both DAZ (who gain from selling more figures and clothing and props) and Bondware who can't afford to lose more users of their software. This "Get over it," mentality you're spouting is exactly why Smith doesn't own Poser any longer. They lost money on 11. Why don't you "DEAL WITH THAT," and therefore admit by default that this why Bondware now has it and that following the same exact business path is going to lead to the same dead end.
So quite kindly butt out of a conversation you're not intellectually compatible enough with to discuss. If you can't read my entire post, don't bother commenting. Get over it indeed. What childish nonsense. Why don't you pop out with the rubber and glue while you're at it.
So you call my behavior "attitude" and "childish". While you insult others as "intellectual not compatible with you? Who are you that you can call out others here? This is a public forum, I can answer when ever i want, don't need you permission for that. You open a new thread like fury , call Bondware "Idiots" ,make a lot of nonsense rants and call others trolls? People explained it here in the forums several times, in different threads why DSON does not work in Poser 12. But looks like you still not understand it.
You see people like you can not offend me, because i don't give a sh...what they think about me. Move along with you anti social behavior.
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― Marcus Aurelius,
DAZ is the only one who can fix this, and they're clearly >not >interested. They haven't >updated DSON in ten years.
There is no reason for Daz to update something that ,for the last decade, has been an unmitigated,embarrasing FAILURE?
According to thier own Bluster,put forth when the original Gensis was introduced ,DSON was intended to be a universal spec that would enable the CG professionals in the Autodesk,Maxon, MODO etc communities to implement the genesis figure in their eco systems.
The Reality is that None of the CG pros actually cared about genesis and chose the stay with figure rigs already purpose built for their Character eco systems.?
Even Reallusion Chose FBX over "DSON" for their import/conversion of Daz genesis figures back in the Iclone 5.5-6.5 era
Even today, with Iclone 7x and CC3 ,we only use FBX to import and shape project any Mill4 - G8 figure/character onto an Iclone native base Avatar for full compabilty with our SUPERIOR Character animation system as well as our universal cloth rigging and Game asset export tools.
Daz's recently released Genesis export plugins to the major 3DCC apps & game engines that were either bought/co-opted from third parties and re-branded.
or cobbled by Daz's internal dev team, all without any dependency on thier failed "DSON" Spec by the target applications.
"DSON" has not been killed as it was already dead.?
Bondware is trying to move poser forward, and in so doing, has decided to leave old, dead,failed features( Face room ,walk designer etc) in the crumbling caves of the past to prevent poser itself from suffering a similar fate.?
the reason that support for Python 2 was ended; is that python 2 reached its EOL on January 1, 2020.
Complaints about DSON can be directed to DAZ where they belong since they wrote and own the software. Complaining about it here will do you no good, nothing will be resolved. If you want it to work with poser 12, you need to find someone who is willing to convert it.
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I was hoping that FBX development (both importing and exporting) would have been much further along than it is.
My workflow in and out of Cinema is almost entirely FBX based. It makes much more sense to export a single FBX file; and try and get that same file into Poser or Studio.
p.s. I think DSON is just the name of the current Studio format. It's not a sign of failure that third party programs do not create an importer from that published file-format! for example there are few programs with a Cinema 4D importer.
regards
prixat
"Where there is a will, there is a way".
A DAZ Genesis Importer is not a witchcraft. There are several approaches (Python source) on the net how to import DAZ files, e.g. to Blender. Not ancient code, but up-to-date for Blender 2.8/9. Not from any big software companies, but from private people as a solo project.
Adapting this for Poser shouldn't be a problem for someone who is familiar with Poser. Bondware can't talk their way out of this but should admit that they don't want a Genesis importer.
The Poser fan community obviously can't come up with people who have enough knowledge. Meanwhile they have all left or are on the way.
It's not a sign of failure that third party programs do not >create an importer from that published file-format! for example >there are few programs with a Cinema 4D importer.
regards prixat
Maxon, Autodesk etc makes money selling(now renting) an entire 3DCC application.
NOT selling canned content for base figures that come with the program.
One does not need a "Cinema 4D importer" because ,like Blender,Maya,Max one can create content in C4D and export it to industry standard formats Like FBX.obj,Alembic
From the perpective of the Daz business model it is a huge failure that only some small number of poser users remain fixated on importing the genesis figures for various reasons.
Daz depends one people getting excited about those lovely Genesis Figures and then flocking to the Daz commercial store to buy content for them.
This did not really happen ,in any major way, in the Professional CG ,film &Gaming communities because they prefer to work within thier Custom Character eco-systems without having to muck about with kiddie toys Like Daz studio to get a genesis figure into their professional 3DCC pipelines via some 'DSON" format.
Particularly in light of the fact that Genesis needs to be connected to its massive Daz studio Data folder for its full functionality and Daz studio installations are NOT scalable for large team projects that Game/ film company pipelines require.
TheAnimaGemini posted at 7:35PM Wed, 18 November 2020 - #4404982
JAG posted at 5:29AM Wed, 18 November 2020 - #4404976
TheAnimaGemini posted at 4:44AM Wed, 18 November 2020 - #4404965
@JAG As former Poser Beta tester you should know that the DSON script is owned by DAZ and that Smith Micro, now Bondware could/can not legally update it by their own. The move from Python 2 to 3 was absolute necessary . Python 2 is not longer supported , no security patches, no updates. Poser can not stay forever in the past and use outdated scripts, codes because some people have problems to move in the 21 century . Get over it.
Wow, why don't you just call me "boomer" while you're at it. Don't pop an attitude with me. I haven't had two words with you. You jumped into this discussion thread and proceed to A - lecture me and B - pop an attitude? Who are you anyway? If you'd read the whole thread you'd have noted that I stated quite clearly that I know DSON is DAZ proprietary and I didn't ask Bondware to alter it. You're a dimwit who doesn't read evidently. What I asked or rather curtly demanded, was that they not remove compatibility or at least negotiate with DAZ to put out a new version that is P3 compatible. C'mon man (to quote Biden) cutting off DSON hurts both DAZ (who gain from selling more figures and clothing and props) and Bondware who can't afford to lose more users of their software. This "Get over it," mentality you're spouting is exactly why Smith doesn't own Poser any longer. They lost money on 11. Why don't you "DEAL WITH THAT," and therefore admit by default that this why Bondware now has it and that following the same exact business path is going to lead to the same dead end.
So quite kindly butt out of a conversation you're not intellectually compatible enough with to discuss. If you can't read my entire post, don't bother commenting. Get over it indeed. What childish nonsense. Why don't you pop out with the rubber and glue while you're at it.
So you call my behavior "attitude" and "childish". While you insult others as "intellectual not compatible with you? Who are you that you can call out others here?
This is a public forum, I can answer when ever i want, don't need you permission for that. You open a new thread like fury , call Bondware "Idiots" ,make a lot of nonsense rants and call others trolls? People explained it here in the forums several times, in different threads why DSON does not work in Poser 12. But looks like you still not understand it.
You see people like you can not offend me, because i don't give a sh...what they think about me.
Move along with you anti social behavior.
**First off I called no one an idiot. I was speaking in a rhetorical sense with regard to things only "idiots" do. Go back to elementary school and try to learn proper English usage and comprehension. At no point did I ever say Bondware were idiots. Where I come from (the United States of America) we are - for now at least - still allowed to express our opinion openly with regard to what we think people affecting our work and daily lives are doing. Unlike you - I depend on Poser to do my job every single day. I am partially disabled and I have to work from home so I am dependent on what I can do with 3D to get a pay check. So tell me - does Poser relate directly to your livelihood for the last decade and half? Hmm? Speak up...I didn't hear that? So that's where I speak from a position of authority. I also spent time as a beta tester with Smith and I have held a somewhat tenuous communication line with Charles for over half a decade now. But I do not need to prove any of that to you. It was you who started the childish and anti-social bashing by informing me to move into the 21st century and "get over it." That was rude and insulting...and directly at me personally. You were trying to insult me. You were being arrogant. I called you out for it and now you're throwing a tantrum about it. Again, acting out like a child. Learn to speak to people like an adult and you won't get intellectually spanked like the little brat that you are. Your hostility does not intimidate me. I was likely using Poser when you were still in diapers. I owned stock in Meta Creations. I was part of Poser's development (via financial stake) from the 1990's. Again, I don't need to prove nor explain any of that but I just like hearing the sound of crickets chirping when it's your turn to reply.
Were you bothering to read the posts, I've already stated I know DSON is a python 2.0 script owned and facilitated by DAZ. I never said it wasn't. But by disabling the plugin by moving to P3, Bondware is dumping every single DAZ product user they have who use Poser. And quite honestly that number is going to be detrimental to their bottom line - one that is already suffering. Therefore the matter seems idiotic to me. When you need money, you don't cut off customers. And yes, yes, Python 3 is the newest, shiniest new thing on the block - ewww, very distinguished looking - but guess what...Python 2.0 still works on all platforms meaning it wasn't an absolute "no option" decision. Bondware chose to move into P3 and intentionally crashed every plugin existing for Poser and also alienating DAZ users at the same time. Does that sound smart? The thing to do would have been to either negotiate a plan with DAZ to upgrade DSON --- OR --- to find a work-around to the Python 2 and 3 issue. To my understanding (and I am no programmer) the backwards compatibility issue has been severely harmful across the spectrum of software development. I suspect compatibility patches will be forthcoming. Meaning if they'd have just delayed changes - a backwards compatible version of 3 might have been developed. This jumping on the tech-bandwagon just because something looks cool and is new - is what killed Poser 11 to start with. So much time and problem associated with Superfly development which up-ended Poser's development was the start of the downfall. Octane already had a Poser plugin that was pretty tight. Poser could have used better Firefly adding caustics and such. Two engines was dumb. Improve the one you had - don't go add in another one that sucks. But ewww...we needs a fancy new render engine! No, you needed to add new abilities to the one you had - the one that everyone was used to, had paid for for two decades, and used the hell out of. No Firefly ain't all that, but it was tight and fast. It can do many things and with some additions, it would have been fantastic. But let's just forget about it start something new that ruins everyone's material settings for the next three years. Do you see? No you probably don't because you haven't spent 25 years working with this program daily.
As for your opinion - you have a right to it and to express it - but keep in mind that we don't have to listen to it. You are not the only person with rights. We all have rights and that means my opinion is just as important as you think yours is...except mine comes tied to a 25 year long investment in and experience with Poser software. I think that makes my opinion just a tiny bit more special than yours. I also don't talk to people like they're an idiot right off the bat. So kindly go "get over it" yourself. But please, snap back with some more insipid remarks or "boomer" type commentary. It will only prove my point for me. So please...go for it. I encourage your attempts to belittle me and make yourself feel intelligent and important. I really do care about how you feel in this matter.
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wolf359 posted at 8:00PM Wed, 18 November 2020 - #4404991
DAZ is the only one who can fix this, and they're clearly >not >interested. They haven't >updated DSON in ten years.
There is no reason for Daz to update something that ,for the last decade, has been an unmitigated,embarrasing FAILURE?
According to thier own Bluster,put forth when the original Gensis was introduced ,DSON was intended to be a universal spec that would enable the CG professionals in the Autodesk,Maxon, MODO etc communities to implement the genesis figure in their eco systems.
The Reality is that None of the CG pros actually cared about genesis and chose the stay with figure rigs already purpose built for their Character eco systems.?
Even Reallusion Chose FBX over "DSON" for their import/conversion of Daz genesis figures back in the Iclone 5.5-6.5 era
Even today, with Iclone 7x and CC3 ,we only use FBX to import and shape project any Mill4 - G8 figure/character onto an Iclone native base Avatar for full compabilty with our SUPERIOR Character animation system as well as our universal cloth rigging and Game asset export tools.
Daz's recently released Genesis export plugins to the major 3DCC apps & game engines that were either bought/co-opted from third parties and re-branded.
or cobbled by Daz's internal dev team, all without any dependency on thier failed "DSON" Spec by the target applications.
"DSON" has not been killed as it was already dead.?
Bondware is trying to move poser forward, and in so doing, has decided to leave old, dead,failed features( Face room ,walk designer etc) in the crumbling caves of the past to prevent poser itself from suffering a similar fate.?
I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were Mr. DAZ. While I've got you - thanks for building the best figures and props for Poser over the last two decades. I know you guys started out just making content for Poser and I realize your own freeware is...well...free for a reason (nobody would pay for it) and I know it's a business gimmick to get people to buy overpriced content - but I also know that myself and many others worldwide still utilize your stuff in Poser and have for twenty years now. So thank you for making a plugin just for us in order to not lose us as valued customers. The fact that you made DSON to start with proves you know how many customers you have using Poser still.I would implore you to make a Python 3.0 version just to spite Bondware perhaps.
Oh wait...you're not Mr. DAZ? Dang, the way you were talking about knowing all their corporate in's and out's I had just assumed. My bad. If you're an Iclone user then clearly you are aware that the company went out of their way and produced special plugins that allow for the incorporation of Genesis 8 figures and clothing into the program, right? So your claim about Genesis being ignored is just wrong. Go to the Iclone website and read. I have some of their software on my own workstation. I was not impressed with it. Comes off as a game-oriented version of DAZ studio which I despise. Also it's overpriced as all heck. But again, my point is Genesis. If Iclone's users weren't devoutly using DAZ material then why the big rollout to provide compatibility and import? Hmm? Crickets chirping. Yep. Read up before talking:iclone & DAZ
So plugins can be built and pipelines designed. But Bondware wants you to buy here rather than DAZ. The reason DAZ has succeeded as much as they have is because they do not alienate but instead, try to integrate with every piece of software including Poser. They don't alienate any customer with a dollar. They are greedy and smarmy and generally disliked, but begrudgingly I admit they are not failing as a business model. Poser is cutting off the very people that have fed them over the years. If iclone can build themselves an importer, so can Bondware. Isolation is how software dies these days. Be part of the pipeline or fail. It's that simple. Poser content is not good. Admit that and accept that you need outside content. The program is solid and beautiful...but it needs improvements and it needs advancements - not constant adding of the shiniest new thing or tiny addendum to fix broken things while major bugs go untouched.
My points all remain. Challengers may take a number and wait their turn. Next?
structure posted at 8:16PM Wed, 18 November 2020 - #4404999
the reason that support for Python 2 was ended; is that python 2 reached its EOL on January 1, 2020.
Complaints about DSON can be directed to DAZ where they belong since they wrote and own the software. Complaining about it here will do you no good, nothing will be resolved. If you want it to work with poser 12, you need to find someone who is willing to convert it.
Oh wowwww....wowww...why didn't I think of that? Goodness me...I'm so dumb. Thank you for sharing your personal story and account of how your two cents really meant something at all. I appreciate that information - I was under the silly assumption that Bondware wrote and owned DSON. Stupid me. I'm glad I didn't state just the opposite of that like eight times already. Gosh! Thank you so much!
adp001 posted at 8:18PM Wed, 18 November 2020 - #4405007
"Where there is a will, there is a way".
A DAZ Genesis Importer is not a witchcraft. There are several approaches (Python source) on the net how to import DAZ files, e.g. to Blender. Not ancient code, but up-to-date for Blender 2.8/9. Not from any big software companies, but from private people as a solo project.
Adapting this for Poser shouldn't be a problem for someone who is familiar with Poser. Bondware can't talk their way out of this but should admit that they don't want a Genesis importer.
The Poser fan community obviously can't come up with people who have enough knowledge. Meanwhile they have all left or are on the way.
THANK YOU! Well said and very pointed. I appreciate someone finally backing me up! My highest compliments and appreciation. I'll even send you a private thank you! You are apparently the only person other than me here that has a brain inside their skull and knows what they're talking about. See my notes below on iclone's pipeline for DAZ content. It very much backs both our points. Again, thank you!
wolf359 posted at 8:22PM Wed, 18 November 2020 - #4405021
It's not a sign of failure that third party programs do not >create an importer from that published file-format! for example >there are few programs with a Cinema 4D importer.
regards prixat
Maxon, Autodesk etc makes money selling(now renting) an entire 3DCC application.
NOT selling canned content for base figures that come with the program.
One does not need a "Cinema 4D importer" because ,like Blender,Maya,Max one can create content in C4D and export it to industry standard formats Like FBX.obj,Alembic
From the perpective of the Daz business model it is a huge failure that only some small number of poser users remain fixated on importing the genesis figures for various reasons.
Daz depends one people getting excited about those lovely Genesis Figures and then flocking to the Daz commercial store to buy content for them.
This did not really happen ,in any major way, in the Professional CG ,film &Gaming communities because they prefer to work within thier Custom Character eco-systems without having to muck about with kiddie toys Like Daz studio to get a genesis figure into their professional 3DCC pipelines via some 'DSON" format.
Particularly in light of the fact that Genesis needs to be connected to its massive Daz studio Data folder for its full functionality and Daz studio installations are NOT scalable for large team projects that Game/ film company pipelines require.
Yes, yes, very distinguished...you're a professional CGI person...we all see your website link. If you think iclone is professional software...(snickers)...okay then. I'll just let you roll around in that one. And if you think DAZ's system is all that, you should look around iclone's - because they charge you separate for every darn little plugin and add-on they have. Hundreds and hundreds of dollars by the time you even get their basic system up and running. It's almost obnoxiously confusing to say the least. But this thread is about the death of DSON - not the gaming industry and not iclone. It's not an argument about who makes DSON or any of that. It's a formal rant about why it's bad for Poser to drop compatibility with DAZ products. But of course no one listens. No one listened to me in the beta team at Smith either. I quite in protest and I was right and P11 bombed horribly and they were going to just let the program die. It was that bad. So no, don't listen to me. Insult me for saying the clear facts and obvious things. Berate me for being old and tell me to get over it and move along. Old people have this thing called experience. You'd be shocked out how valuable it is. We don't just know history - we lived it - we made it - and we might just know a thing or two more than you do. Learn to stop and listen. You younger generations read a blog for two minutes and think you've got Ph.D's. You're all stuck in this imaginary world where you think your opinion matters and your knowledge is all encompassing. I know my opinion is blowing in the wind and I am far from knowing much about anything. So when I do open my mouth, it's with 25 years of Poser knowledge and experience. What have the rest of you got? Exactly. A website does not an important CGI artist make. I'm no famous artist. I'm nobody. But I have been using Poser for a long, long time. Longer than any of you most likely.
Iuvenis_Scriptor posted at 8:36PM Wed, 18 November 2020 - #4405032
For anyone who's interested, here's a thread specifically for discussing potential solutions.
Thank you! Most kind of you to put that effort in!
555MMar posted at 8:37PM Wed, 18 November 2020 - #4405062
I don't understand. If you don't like Poser 12 and/or Python 3, why not just stick to older versions of the program? is not like they don't exist anymore. No offense intended at all.
I do and I currently work with Poser 10. I had PoserPro2014, but Bondware decided I didn't need that anymore and stopped (or rather never did) honor the sale agreement made via Smith Micro regarding it. So despite me paying for PP2014Game Dev, I no longer can use it and had to devolve back to Poser 10 which has no FBX import ability. So I had to get Poser 11 (which they so kindly gave me) just to convert FBX models for use in 10. Ya'know...that which I already had and paid for. Fortunately for certain parties crippled up old geezers like me can't afford to sue over a few hundred dollars. So I just sucked that theft of my software up and moved along. Technically Smith was responsible for honoring that and I've been bent ever since. The problem is, I'd like to eventually upgrade if Poser ever presents anything worth updating for. 11 didn't impress me and 12 surely hasn't. They took away DSON and without DAZ compatibility, my entire massive library dating back 25 years is apparently no longer of importance. Now much of the older pre-Genesis stuff will still work like Victoria 4 and so forth but she's only slightly better looking than Poser's current franken-base monster so ya'know I just really prefer realistic looking base figures and so pardon me if I really like my Genesis 3 and 8 figures. I also love my Poser 10. But someday I'd like to say I'm upgrading to Poser 15 and all my stuff can migrate into it. Apparently that's a pipe dream.
Thank you for being nice and quite humble in your post. That was respectable and I would like to hold your comment up as an example of how people should approach forum posting. This is my thread, till they lock it, and I can be as ornery as I choose. People posting in it though should not do so with the intent of antagonizing. Maybe sometimes we just need to vent our issues to those who need to hear it. Sometimes an angry thread is called for. It is however, not a call to arms for trolls and morons. All of you could learn something from reading this short little comment from 555Mmar.
It's a formal rant about why it's bad for Poser to drop compatibility >with DAZ >products.
Bondware has not "dropped compatibility with DAZ products",They have abandoned Python 2.
those people who are willing to do the work to import Daz content , through other means, can still do so
But of course no one listens. No one listened to me in the beta team at Smith either. I quite in protest and I was right and P11 bombed horribly and they were going to just let the program die. It was that bad. So no, don't listen to me. Insult me for saying the clear facts and obvious things. Berate me for being old and tell me to get over it and move along. Old people have this thing called experience. You'd be shocked out how valuable it is. We don't just know history - we lived it - we made it - and we might just know a thing or two more than >you do.
Thus said every bitter,old man who ever lived.?
I will be 57 years old in December and started with Fractal Design poser 2.
so I guess I am "Old" as well, however that does not make my opinions any more valid that someone younger.
Certainly someone your age must know that corporations make decision they feel are in their interest which is what bondware has done regarding Python 3
Software is just a tool.
If the tool changes in some way that makes them no longer viable for me I choose a different tool.
Poser has moved away from the version of Python needed for the "DSON" importer.
So you need to stay with older versions of poser or choose another method of import.
Those are your options.?
Just like aforementioned, every company make their own decisions that fit their pipeline. As much as I dislike LA femme and lhomme at least bondware tries to come up with something.
I work in Daz studio too and I have been a poser user since poser 1. More than 25 years ago. I was still a kid when version one came on the market. However if you don't like what you get, you can always try to create something you like. If you can't, try finding someone who does it for you. My absolute favorite figure is abandoned like the plague. (kez) But I will make stuff for her just for my own needs. You don't hear me complain. I agree on poser 11 and 12 but that is what we got and we have to deal with it.
Daz isn't the best per say in the modeling department. They have alot of very talented artists and they bought a lot of stuff from them too or are brokering. Their marketing is of the chain I have to say.
There are and were a lot of talented modelers here, that created great alternatives to the Daz human models. But most people are afraid to try something new and support the artist( Antonia for instance). Support takes time and people. In stead of complaining we could've made a lof of stuff for those models. I'm always down to help people and support lesser supported models.
wolf359 posted at 8:39AM Thu, 19 November 2020 - #4405093
Poser has moved away from the version of Python needed for the "DSON" importer.
So you need to stay with older versions of poser or choose another method of import.
Those are your options.?
Or just use DAZ Studio. I suspect that's what most people who use a lot of Genesis stuff are doing.
JAG posted at 8:37AM Thu, 19 November 2020 - #4405067
wolf359 posted at 8:22PM Wed, 18 November 2020 - #4405021
It's not a sign of failure that third party programs do not >create an importer from that published file-format! for example >there are few programs with a Cinema 4D importer.
regards prixat
Maxon, Autodesk etc makes money selling(now renting) an entire 3DCC application.
NOT selling canned content for base figures that come with the program.
One does not need a "Cinema 4D importer" because ,like Blender,Maya,Max one can create content in C4D and export it to industry standard formats Like FBX.obj,Alembic
From the perpective of the Daz business model it is a huge failure that only some small number of poser users remain fixated on importing the genesis figures for various reasons.
Daz depends one people getting excited about those lovely Genesis Figures and then flocking to the Daz commercial store to buy content for them.
This did not really happen ,in any major way, in the Professional CG ,film &Gaming communities because they prefer to work within thier Custom Character eco-systems without having to muck about with kiddie toys Like Daz studio to get a genesis figure into their professional 3DCC pipelines via some 'DSON" format.
Particularly in light of the fact that Genesis needs to be connected to its massive Daz studio Data folder for its full functionality and Daz studio installations are NOT scalable for large team projects that Game/ film company pipelines require.
Yes, yes, very distinguished...you're a professional CGI person...we all see your website link. If you think iclone is professional software...(snickers)...okay then. I'll just let you roll around in that one. And if you think DAZ's system is all that, you should look around iclone's - because they charge you separate for every darn little plugin and add-on they have. Hundreds and hundreds of dollars by the time you even get their basic system up and running. It's almost obnoxiously confusing to say the least. But this thread is about the death of DSON - not the gaming industry and not iclone. It's not an argument about who makes DSON or any of that. It's a formal rant about why it's bad for Poser to drop compatibility with DAZ products. But of course no one listens. No one listened to me in the beta team at Smith either. I quite in protest and I was right and P11 bombed horribly and they were going to just let the program die. It was that bad. So no, don't listen to me. Insult me for saying the clear facts and obvious things. Berate me for being old and tell me to get over it and move along. Old people have this thing called experience. You'd be shocked out how valuable it is. We don't just know history - we lived it - we made it - and we might just know a thing or two more than you do. Learn to stop and listen. You younger generations read a blog for two minutes and think you've got Ph.D's. You're all stuck in this imaginary world where you think your opinion matters and your knowledge is all encompassing. I know my opinion is blowing in the wind and I am far from knowing much about anything. So when I do open my mouth, it's with 25 years of Poser knowledge and experience. What have the rest of you got? Exactly. A website does not an important CGI artist make. I'm no famous artist. I'm nobody. But I have been using Poser for a long, long time. Longer than any of you most likely.
You have made fallacious assumptions about how old/young people in this community are, I started using poser in 1998 ( poser 3 ) and joined Renderosity in 2001, so I guess you could say with 22 years of Poser experience, I am at least your peer, poser has not stopped compatibility with DAZ, rather, it is DAZ that have consigned poser to the back shelf ( don't believe me? Go and check their search engine and see where the function to list by Poser is. ) This argument is stale, it has been done to death.
If you want to use Genesis so badly, there is a program made specifically for it. Your so-called experience is nothing more than most of the remaining Poser users have, and Bondware, the people developing the software include the original Poser creator and some folks with a lot more knowledge about the program than yourself or I.
The death of DSON is not the end of Genesis in poser, people have been importing genesis using FBX, but if that is not your thing, please, move over to their native program and use them how they are meant to be used.
Locked Out
wolf359 posted at 5:05PM Thu, 19 November 2020 - #4405093
It's a formal rant about why it's bad for Poser to drop compatibility >with DAZ >products.
Bondware has not "dropped compatibility with DAZ products",They have abandoned Python 2.
those people who are willing to do the work to import Daz content , through other means, can still do so
But of course no one listens. No one listened to me in the beta team at Smith either. I quite in protest and I was right and P11 bombed horribly and they were going to just let the program die. It was that bad. So no, don't listen to me. Insult me for saying the clear facts and obvious things. Berate me for being old and tell me to get over it and move along. Old people have this thing called experience. You'd be shocked out how valuable it is. We don't just know history - we lived it - we made it - and we might just know a thing or two more than >you do.
Thus said every bitter,old man who ever lived.?
I will be 57 years old in December and started with Fractal Design poser 2.
so I guess I am "Old" as well, however that does not make my opinions any more valid that someone younger.
Certainly someone your age must know that corporations make decision they feel are in their interest which is what bondware has done regarding Python 3
Software is just a tool.
If the tool changes in some way that makes them no longer viable for me I choose a different tool.
Poser has moved away from the version of Python needed for the "DSON" importer.
So you need to stay with older versions of poser or choose another method of import.
Those are your options.?
Why are you obsessed with defending Bondware here? You cannot dispute the following fact:
Bondware chose to end use of Python 2.0 - knowing full well this would disable all existing plugins as well as DSON.
Now, please, by all means...dispute that. Try. If you cannot dispute that, then my point remains valid and you're argument is simply moot. At this point I think I may stop responding to you at all. Clearly it's you who doesn't get this.
Liquid_Ice posted at 5:09PM Thu, 19 November 2020 - #4405102
Just like aforementioned, every company make their own decisions that fit their pipeline. As much as I dislike LA femme and lhomme at least bondware tries to come up with something.
I work in Daz studio too and I have been a poser user since poser 1. More than 25 years ago. I was still a kid when version one came on the market. However if you don't like what you get, you can always try to create something you like. If you can't, try finding someone who does it for you. My absolute favorite figure is abandoned like the plague. (kez) But I will make stuff for her just for my own needs. You don't hear me complain. I agree on poser 11 and 12 but that is what we got and we have to deal with it.
"It is what we got and we have to deal with it." Seriously? You do realize America was founded on the principle of speaking up and not accepting wrongness, right? That attitude is half of what's wrong with the younger generations. If something is wrong, you speak up. You don't just accept it. No, I probably can't change Bondware's direction but I can shout loud enough that they shut my thread down eventually. And if enough people stand up and shout with me - perhaps...hopefully Bondware will take notice. If no one complains, nothing ever gets done. So if you agree with me, have a little rant. Deal with it...indeed! No I will not. Thank you.
randym77 posted at 5:12PM Thu, 19 November 2020 - #4405111
wolf359 posted at 8:39AM Thu, 19 November 2020 - #4405093
Poser has moved away from the version of Python needed for the "DSON" importer.
So you need to stay with older versions of poser or choose another method of import.
Those are your options.?
Or just use DAZ Studio. I suspect that's what most people who use a lot of Genesis stuff are doing.
Oh wow...thank you for that advice. I had not thought of that myself. How stupid could I possibly be?!?! Thank you, thank you, thank you! How does the world function without such incredible guidance as you just provided?!?!?!
structure posted at 5:14PM Thu, 19 November 2020 - #4405113
JAG posted at 8:37AM Thu, 19 November 2020 - #4405067
wolf359 posted at 8:22PM Wed, 18 November 2020 - #4405021
It's not a sign of failure that third party programs do not >create an importer from that published file-format! for example >there are few programs with a Cinema 4D importer.
regards prixat
Maxon, Autodesk etc makes money selling(now renting) an entire 3DCC application.
NOT selling canned content for base figures that come with the program.
One does not need a "Cinema 4D importer" because ,like Blender,Maya,Max one can create content in C4D and export it to industry standard formats Like FBX.obj,Alembic
From the perpective of the Daz business model it is a huge failure that only some small number of poser users remain fixated on importing the genesis figures for various reasons.
Daz depends one people getting excited about those lovely Genesis Figures and then flocking to the Daz commercial store to buy content for them.
This did not really happen ,in any major way, in the Professional CG ,film &Gaming communities because they prefer to work within thier Custom Character eco-systems without having to muck about with kiddie toys Like Daz studio to get a genesis figure into their professional 3DCC pipelines via some 'DSON" format.
Particularly in light of the fact that Genesis needs to be connected to its massive Daz studio Data folder for its full functionality and Daz studio installations are NOT scalable for large team projects that Game/ film company pipelines require.
Yes, yes, very distinguished...you're a professional CGI person...we all see your website link. If you think iclone is professional software...(snickers)...okay then. I'll just let you roll around in that one. And if you think DAZ's system is all that, you should look around iclone's - because they charge you separate for every darn little plugin and add-on they have. Hundreds and hundreds of dollars by the time you even get their basic system up and running. It's almost obnoxiously confusing to say the least. But this thread is about the death of DSON - not the gaming industry and not iclone. It's not an argument about who makes DSON or any of that. It's a formal rant about why it's bad for Poser to drop compatibility with DAZ products. But of course no one listens. No one listened to me in the beta team at Smith either. I quite in protest and I was right and P11 bombed horribly and they were going to just let the program die. It was that bad. So no, don't listen to me. Insult me for saying the clear facts and obvious things. Berate me for being old and tell me to get over it and move along. Old people have this thing called experience. You'd be shocked out how valuable it is. We don't just know history - we lived it - we made it - and we might just know a thing or two more than you do. Learn to stop and listen. You younger generations read a blog for two minutes and think you've got Ph.D's. You're all stuck in this imaginary world where you think your opinion matters and your knowledge is all encompassing. I know my opinion is blowing in the wind and I am far from knowing much about anything. So when I do open my mouth, it's with 25 years of Poser knowledge and experience. What have the rest of you got? Exactly. A website does not an important CGI artist make. I'm no famous artist. I'm nobody. But I have been using Poser for a long, long time. Longer than any of you most likely.
You have made fallacious assumptions about how old/young people in this community are, I started using poser in 1998 ( poser 3 ) and joined Renderosity in 2001, so I guess you could say with 22 years of Poser experience, I am at least your peer, poser has not stopped compatibility with DAZ, rather, it is DAZ that have consigned poser to the back shelf ( don't believe me? Go and check their search engine and see where the function to list by Poser is. ) This argument is stale, it has been done to death.
If you want to use Genesis so badly, there is a program made specifically for it. Your so-called experience is nothing more than most of the remaining Poser users have, and Bondware, the people developing the software include the original Poser creator and some folks with a lot more knowledge about the program than yourself or I.
The death of DSON is not the end of Genesis in poser, people have been importing genesis using FBX, but if that is not your thing, please, move over to their native program and use them how they are meant to be used.
It is within your own statement that we find a core of truth. You spoke of DAZ putting Poser on the back-burner. There was a time when Poser put others on the back-burner. That's what I'm talking about. Smith took a u-turn with 11 and let DAZ get ahead of them. Now DAZ is trying to finish Poser off. Hence they're not likely to want DSON to continue working. They're probably waiting for Bondware to tank so they can buy Poser and bury it or incorporate it like they've done with other rival software. I won't take up the argument over ages. I will state that I despise being assumed-to-be an idiot or novice. That is why I cut loose with the "how old I am" and "how long I've been using Poser," rant. Please pay attention to context.
shvrdavid posted at 5:18PM Thu, 19 November 2020 - #4405189
I have a really odd, but obvious question. Has anyone even asked Daz if they are going to update DSON?
And if so, what was their answer?
Well, gee...that would be a logical thing to do. Surely I wouldn't have --- oh wait, yes I did ask them and no they have not ever responded and probably won't. Feel free to try it yourself. I've bought nearly $10K worth of content from them in the last fifteen years and if they don't answer my inquiries...chances are they aren't going to answer anybody else either - but if someone does get a response - please post it.
WTLF? What does this have to do with the thread? Are you serious? You're just posting your personal random image in the thread? I don't even have words.
It has quite a bit to do with this thread.
-- I've been using Poser since version 1. So I am more "old timer" than you are.
-- That's the fugly La Femme that you don't seem to like.
-- Rendered in Poser 12 that you don't seem to like.
Just sayin'
hborre posted at 5:21PM Thu, 19 November 2020 - #4405195
To be honest, if DAZ was truly interested in updating the DSON Importer, they would have done so already. While everyone is holding their breath waiting for something to happen, I figured out a way to get a fully functional Genesis 8 into P12 with DSON, P11, and Willdial's Genesis 3 Poser Importer.
It's always worked in P11. DSON does not work in P12. If you have brought her in via P11 and saved it to P11 runtime and then opened the figure file in P12, it may work but it's going to be unstable as DSON is still required to load the figures. Please post your process though. If it can be done with stability, it might come in handy to know how to do it --- but if Bondware decides at some point to simply stop servicing P11 like they did with PoserPro2014GameDev...then the pipeline will fail. So it might be a temporary work-around but not reliably. Please post it though. I'm sure I'm not the only one who will benefit from it. I'm interested to see how you did it.
JAG posted at 5:29PM Thu, 19 November 2020 - #4405204
randym77 posted at 5:12PM Thu, 19 November 2020 - #4405111
wolf359 posted at 8:39AM Thu, 19 November 2020 - #4405093
Poser has moved away from the version of Python needed for the "DSON" importer.
So you need to stay with older versions of poser or choose another method of import.
Those are your options.?
Or just use DAZ Studio. I suspect that's what most people who use a lot of Genesis stuff are doing.
Oh wow...thank you for that advice. I had not thought of that myself. How stupid could I possibly be?!?! Thank you, thank you, thank you! How does the world function without such incredible guidance as you just provided?!?!?!
Glad I could help! I know you olds sometimes struggle with computer stuff.
Deecey posted at 5:26PM Thu, 19 November 2020 - #4405210
WTLF? What does this have to do with the thread? Are you serious? You're just posting your personal random image in the thread? I don't even have words.
It has quite a bit to do with this thread.
-- I've been using Poser since version 1. So I am more "old timer" than you are.
-- That's the fugly La Femme that you don't seem to like.
-- Rendered in Poser 12 that you don't seem to like.
Just sayin'
Should have posted that information with the image. Otherwise it just seems like you're a weirdo going around posting images in random threads. Pardon me for not getting the unspoken connection. I don't want to insult your work. But I will say that I still don't like the horse-faced, awkward and unrealistic figure. That is not your fault - it is the designer with Smith/Bond who is responsible for that abomination of a sculpt. Your image is pretty good though and well rendered. But your attempt at making a point falls flat I'm afraid. I was actually the beta who threw the tantrum over the P11 figures during development. Jesse was more accurately put together than these things. They are horrible and their anatomical design is cartoonish and in no way accurate. On a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being a perfect human replication in 3D, Genesis 3/8 come in at about a 7 and Poser's figures rank about 3 on a good day. If they were so awesome, how come Poser has tanked to the point that Smith unloaded the program? If P11 was and is so fantastic and the direction taken with the program so wonderful - then why did 11 tank so bad that Smith was going to utterly bury the software?
**None of you can invalidate that one point. The transfer to Bondware proves that P11 was an utter failure. It remains an utter failure and building upon it will only make that failure more insurmountable. **Please - though - continue to tell me this is a fallacy and that I am wrong. Tell me how great the figures are and how awesome the new versions are and how Poser is going to take the field by storm some more. Poser is the Titanic and nobody realizes they hit an iceberg over two years ago.
JAG posted at 5:34PM Thu, 19 November 2020 - #4405214
Deecey posted at 5:26PM Thu, 19 November 2020 - #4405210
WTLF? What does this have to do with the thread? Are you serious? You're just posting your personal random image in the thread? I don't even have words.
It has quite a bit to do with this thread.
-- I've been using Poser since version 1. So I am more "old timer" than you are.
-- That's the fugly La Femme that you don't seem to like.
-- Rendered in Poser 12 that you don't seem to like.
Just sayin'
Should have posted that information with the image. Otherwise it just seems like you're a weirdo going around posting images in random threads. Pardon me for not getting the unspoken connection. I don't want to insult your work. But I will say that I still don't like the horse-faced, awkward and unrealistic figure. That is not your fault - it is the designer with Smith/Bond who is responsible for that abomination of a sculpt. Your image is pretty good though and well rendered. But your attempt at making a point falls flat I'm afraid. I was actually the beta who threw the tantrum over the P11 figures during development. Jesse was more accurately put together than these things. They are horrible and their anatomical design is cartoonish and in no way accurate. On a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being a perfect human replication in 3D, Genesis 3/8 come in at about a 7 and Poser's figures rank about 3 on a good day. If they were so awesome, how come Poser has tanked to the point that Smith unloaded the program? If P11 was and is so fantastic and the direction taken with the program so wonderful - then why did 11 tank so bad that Smith was going to utterly bury the software?
**None of you can invalidate that one point. The transfer to Bondware proves that P11 was an utter failure. It remains an utter failure and building upon it will only make that failure more insurmountable. **Please - though - continue to tell me this is a fallacy and that I am wrong. Tell me how great the figures are and how awesome the new versions are and how Poser is going to take the field by storm some more. Poser is the Titanic and nobody realizes they hit an iceberg over two years ago.
It's a total resculpt, more realistic proportions. Based off a scan of a real human. Some of us old timers put some elbow grease into things. 8-)
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I just ended an email conversation with Charles (Nerd3D) and was informed that Bondware has removed DSON compatibility with Poser 12. That's right. None of your DSON imported figures or even figures reworked but using DAZ bases will now work in Poser. It's apparently not an error or bug or glitch or python issue. No, they just apparently took away compatibility. It worked perfectly with 11.3 and past versions.
Charles said specifically, "DSON will not work in P12 so it's kind of moot any way."
Nothing in technical reason would require it to be disabled in 12. It's a script that runs in conjunction with Poser. If they're building on the same software, it would not inherently "lose" capability if it had it previously. That only occurs by intentional program alteration - aka, removed intentionally. Glad I saved my money and didn't buy this new upgrade. I'm not dumping my entire DSON library for it. This is just ludicrous. Who's brilliant idea was this? If they can't use DAZ figures and props, then they'll have to come buy Bondware stuff? Yeah! Cha-ching! Or so the thinking probably went. But in reality probably 90% of us have at least got Victoria 4 in our runtimes so we know the superior figures and clothing originate with DAZ. We all know their business model sucks and they're overpriced and Studio is mind-numbing to work with...but their stuff was top-notch. But I used it in Poser. POSER. Not DAZ studio. To me this is the equivalent of suicide for Poser. I'm done. Heck I was still using 10 anyway because I was still not happy with 11 or with the theft of my PoserPro2014 upgrade that I paid for. But this was it. I'm done. No DSON - no selling me Poser or your Poser related products.
Bring back DSON! What were you thinking?!?!?!?