I was a somewhat annoyed by the fact that they didn't at least attach a post-it note or something. Short of "we don't care" I would guess the packages with the defective serial numbers got out into the channel before they caught it. Even though I purchased directly from CL, they have a 'fulfillment house' in place for the shipping of orders. My Curious guy was NOT able to actually cross talk with them (there was another small issue with the shipment.) This was about 10 days ago. Seems like this problem should have been addressed by the time Irene's package shipped recently. ::::: Opera :::::

i had this problem. I called Curious Labs. I got the answer. substitute 0 [the numeral zero] for the up-in-the-air dashes. Curious guys told me the 'printer made a mistake.' ::::: Opera :::::

face_off, what is granite displacement? ::::: Opera :::::

Here is a new character, Karl, that I am animating within Poser5/Mimic3. I am on an intense lip sync focus right now, but I wanted to throw up these Karl renders. He is by no means complete...his features, especially the eyebrows, are too feminine and he is far too ideal. I will be putting some lines of experience in his face.

Model: Poser5Female(judy)+EternalJudy (3Dream)
Morphs: MaleMorph by 3Dream, Karl-specific by operaguy
Texture: Two Of Hearts (Jepe)
BumpMap: Directly derived from Jepe texture by operaguy
Shader: Real Skin Shader (face_off) settings to the right
Lights: One infinite light, pure white
Render: Poser5 Firefly MinShadingRate .2 Raytracing on

DClick on thumbnail to open large image in new window.

This image is large and REALLY shows the effects of Real Skin Shader.

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Message edited on: 12/13/2004 01:46

Just a quick comment...I am still in my Mimic trials period.... The yellow IS caused by too much light. I am getting great difuse/skylight results using the Real Skin Shader and one light set at pure white. Render time reduced. ::::: Opera :::::

I have on several occasions encountered 'lights' distributed with products, or purchased as stand alone products, that consisted of numerous individuals, sometimes as many as 12, all set to low intensity. The concept here is probably avoidance of highlight and simulation of general difuse luminosity or skylight. Hi Posermatic, I made a bump map out of the Nikki texture using the instructions in the Poser5 Manual [Desaturate, invert, step up contrast, grayscale]. I "Think" I was able to achieve deployment, although I am so new to the P5 material room it may not yet be properly in place. I got a node going for image_map connected to the root "bump", at any rate. I checked off the control that tells the face_off script to inject noise if image bump map not found. My results in a quick test render: There are effects there, but more subtle than that simulated by 'noise.' Therefore, I will be working with contrast ratio and other controls to bring the bump up. Glad to have you on board this thread (Posermatic is the author of the excellent texture I am using for 'Karen', namely Nikki So Real.) ::::: Opera :::::

nope...failed animation. I will work with the script for a while and make a better animation then. gotta go back to Mimic now. Congratulations to face_off on the publication of this interesting and promising tool. ::::: Opera :::::

face-off, Glad that you lost control and are giving us tips! I will start with your recommendations and most likely will wander off like richardson into my own realm, as usual. Perhaps I will then earn a few curses from you! I will be working with this particular model extensively. She 'got the part' in a film I am doing over Vickie. Therefore I will be a good lab for the Poser5Woman (judy). From what you are saying, your script/concept feeds off the existence of a bump map. Makes sense. I will look into making or acquiring one for Karen (that's my name for this character.) It occurs to me that this script may reduce the number of lights necessary because of the diffusion effects..that tends to reduce render time! I will see. The reason I am focused on render time, of course, is that I am a filmmaker. In fact, I am rendering a short clip of Karen with your script in play right now. Will post in a few hours. ::::: Opera :::::

I decided to simply get and install the
script and see what results I would
get on default settings.

Model: Poser5Woman+EternalJudy+Nikki
Texture: Nikki
Hair: Egypt Hair (3Dream)
Render time 90 seconds, no difference script/noscript
Render settings:

To repeat: No attempt made here
to "go for" anything.
I just accepted the default settings.

Without script applied:

Script applied:

Obviously, the script applied an 'integrating' effect across the face and added noise in the form of skin-normal spots and flecks and imperfections. In general, i like this. I am going for realism, not the hyper-smooth look of many/most textures.

Well, I've decided to put some time into this tool over the next few weeks and see if I can give more verisimilitude to the flecking and work on the lighting effects promised. I am sure by working the controls of the script I will be able to make the flecking more random!

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Well, my apologies to richardson and a big howdy to face_off! Your post helps a lot. And I should have clicked open the read me. So, wow. Some of the images in the product page made me sit up straight. I am not worried about everyone producing images that look the same...if your tool can make photorealistic textures truly look like skin and highlights look like lights shining on it in reality! And if the cost is neligible in render time, that's something. I will buy the script and be a public experimenter, but slowly, as right now I am 24/7 submerged in Mimic, attempting to see how far I can get with it (far, it is a fine tool.) ::::: Opera :::::

Thank ajax... Well, face_off/richardson? certainly is doing something interesting with skin and radisosity. And of course twelve bucks is nothing to try something. But it would be great to have some propagada about the thing...so I can guess if I should throw TIME into it! Does deployment of his product impact rendering time against other Poser-based render features and scripts. That's what I want to know. ::::: Opera :::::

useless post. Richardson, what are you, the postmodern deconstructionist/mimimalist marketing guru? Give specifics. ::::: Opera :::::

Oh man, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I just launched my old Poser4PP and typed po2. YEARS I cursed the italics. Years. I posted against them. Why or why did I not know of po2. "Why?", I rail against the gods. ::::: Opera :::::

ziggie, Now that I understand your approach, yes, that would drive me out of my mind also! And I agree, typing in every value would be unacceptable. That would make me uninstall Poser5. What does Curious say? Do they admit it is a bug in Poser5? Or do they claim it is a feature, an improvement over ver4? ::::: Opera :::::

Maybe you should look into wonkie.

I'm in my first week of Poser5, I am dial crazy, and everything is working splendidly with the dials. Sometimes I spin them, sometimes I click on the number and type in a value, sometimes I DClick on the dial to get to the graph for animation.

Now, I do notice that when I grab the dial and spin to a certain value, when I let go (un-click) the numerical value DOES change a tick or two. However, the position of the body part does NOT move. I figure that is some sort of rounding or equalizing or maybe even limits interaction. I never even noticed it before, because the body part change is rock solid when I let go. I don't even know if that's the way it was in P4PP!

I love the collapsing file structure.

Poser5.0.4.332 WinXP home
Pentium4 2.4 GHrz 1.0 Gig Ram nVidia Gforce FX 5600 256MB

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Message edited on: 12/08/2004 01:48