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DarkPhoenix, I am following your every word.. I won't fall back to the 1800 level just to get dual. About getting the best possible, AMD seems to be coming up to the mark with a new generation, which will have that 512 thing that the Pentiums use in edging out the Aths in tests. Code name "Barton." But this is not for another 4-8 months, apparently. My philosophy about that next gen is, this 2200 Athlon, and following your advice about RAM, as I keep hearing from many, will get me a first class Poser platform. Now, if and when I continue to follow this 3D path, and integrate digital recording and composing, I will need another machine eventually. In otherwords, I need to prove to myself i can be successful in this field, and this proposed rig will not hinder me in finding out. Then I can talk about "more." My hacker friend confirms your information that both processors have to be the same. I'm quite sure I will be purchasing a dual processing motherboard. If I have to wait to get the second processor, as you pointed out, there is sure to be a price drop by Christmas, escpecially if Barton hits by that time. Thanks again for your several valuable posts. ::::: Opera :::::
Thread: Multi-Processing, RAM usage in Poser5 | Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL
stewer, I'm surprised Poser runs in Classic mode. At the Curious Labs webiste, it states that it does not, and they had no plans to make it work. So I stayed running Poser on System 9. There's a nice handfull of other reasons I have not gone to OS X on my Mac, and even this news in your post is not enough to make me do it, since I am realistic about the (non) performance I would get on my little G3 rendering in Poser while I am flipped over to OS X. But thanks for the info, anyway. Hopefully, I won't have to use it! ::::: Opera :::::
Thread: Multi-Processing, RAM usage in Poser5 | Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL
Does anyone know if you can run two instances of Poser at the same time under the modern OSs? And if so, is that within the permission of the license? ::::: Opera :::::
Thread: Multi-Processing, RAM usage in Poser5 | Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL
Wolf makes the point that a Mac running Poser5 in OS X will have the multitasking capabilities. That might be a while in coming. I think Mac/Poser people ought to be upset by the announced "later, sometime" announcement from Curious Labs, but not blame them. They have to change the Mac version of Poser not just into Poser5, but into an OS X version. This is apparently significantly different. When Canvas (Deneba), which has always been Mac-centric, went through its last iteration, they put the Mac version in secondary position. I believe that they did NOTHING on the Mac side until the Windows flavor was set, then ported it back to Mac OS X. The results show. It looks like a Windows application (not counting the OSX look and feel of the shell), not a Mac one. CL is probably in the same boat now. I bet they will not start working on Poser5Mac until the Windows version is frozen. ::::: Opera :::::
Thread: Multi-Processing, RAM usage in Poser5 | Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL
Oh man, I am getting very serious and very welcome information from this thread. Thank you all for your clear and careful posts and rifleshot tidbits. Wow. Stewer, downsides of dual noted. And my enthusiasm is not irrational exhuberance, I get it loud and clear that Poser is NOT multi-threaded, but yours (and now others) description of multitasking is very very attractive. Darkphoenix's information on the Task Manager assignment issue seals the deal. Poser may not be multi-threaded for a long time, or ever. I think the "upgrade" to MP rendering of Poser figures is export to Maya/Max/Lightwave, etc. SInce I can't stray from my primary mission, I can not think in terms of "well, go down to a Athlon1700 or 1800 at $100, then you could afford MP." Nope. I want the best render. Will go dual only if I can work the budget up to get dual 2200s. The reason I am going Athlon over Pentium is first price, but also performance. Yes the Northwood Pentiums seem to beat the Aths in quite a few categories in testing. But the top of the line Pent!Vs cost $420-650 and the Ath $288. A little further back from the top, the cost disparity is a little less, but still significant. I am quoting prices from an online component site, UpgradeSource, other sites seem to confirm this price issue. Upgrade has a lot of helpful info, including this page : http://www.upgradesource.com/advice/intelvsamd.html (this is not a plug or affiliate link for me, just a great site) According to an article in XBit, http://www.xbitlabs.com/cpu/northwood-2200/ amazingly, there is evidence that the Athlon might be best on one, specific, targeted task: rendering in 3D. There is no Poser test, but there is a 3ds max render and animation test, nearly the last one all the way at the bottom. The Athlon 2000 beats the 2.2 Ghz Northwood Pentiumns hands down in a render test, and is equal to the Pentium in animation rendering. As for the coolness of Mac? I still have my Mac. It is not a cool Titanium PwerBook, just a 333Mhz G3 box, but I still appreciate the Mac OS. I can use iMovie on it, surf the net, run Canvas, etc. I may not even network the two boxes, since I can transfer files by FTP or on CD. How's this for retro cool: I am a writer. When I am deep in the night and want perfect silence, I go upstairs to a corner of my bedroom. There is a table there on which sits my original Macintosh from 1984. You know, that cute stubby box? No hard drive. No fan. 9" B&W screen. I insert a single-sided, 384K floppy disk. The system (OS 3.4) boots. It takes a while. There is JUST room on the disk for a copy of the original MacWrite and a few small text files. I like the feel of that unique, original keyboard. I write. It works. When I stop typing to think, all is perfectly silent. Cool. ::::: Opera :::::
Thread: Multi-Processing, RAM usage in Poser5 | Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL
::::: irony ::::: Being a lifelong Mac person, it did not occur to me that I could render Poser in the background and do other tasks as well. Currently, if rendering, Poser completely takes over my Mac under OS 9. I can't even get to the Finder unless I cancel the render. I wonder what the reality of multitasking will be when Poser5 comes out for MacOS X? Time to think multitasking. Stewer, do you know if Win2000 and XP are equally good at the multitasking issues? Can you comment on life while rendering and doing something else on your dual Celeron system? Can you surf the web? Work in Photoshop? Can you run two instances of Poser? Does doing "other" work while rendering slow down the rendering time? Naturally, this tempts me to go dual Athlon. I have been told that I can get the dual motherboard and work with only one processor for a time, plugging in a second when budget allows me to do it. (that would be pretty drastic, I admit.) I might have to do this with RAM, as well. I am really on a tight budget. I calculate that going dual Athlon would raise the budget by $300 (extra CPU plus more expensive motherboard.) ::::: Opera :::::
Thread: Multi-Processing, RAM usage in Poser5 | Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL
I read that thread just now. The usual OS wars stuff. The lead post does not apply to me. If I were implementing an office system for 40 people, or, or, or, or.... I'm concentrating on what is best for my situation, my budget, my level of hackerness, and my need: get the one best Poser platform at lowest cost. Now if you tell me that the P5 will beat the pants off my proposed AMD system, that it will be really really avail. within a few weeks, that the price is within $800 of the AMD system, and that the "3D tools only for Win" problem has been solved, I am all ears. See, I'm even willing to pay more for a Mac, even now. ::::: Opera :::::
Thread: Multi-Processing, RAM usage in Poser5 | Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL
AMD/Win vs Mac Here are the factors i have run through my mind over and over again. This is a dedicated Poser/3D system. I am casing my lot with Poser in a big way. Yet, even though I go with AMD, I will still have my Mac. In fact, I will do post production on the free and fine iMovie. If I find a place in the 3D world, I will of course move up to the higher level of play, where the graphics pacages cost $2000. Later for that. I've got a friend who is a hacker-type. He will stand by me. We've struck a deal on it, and he has a lot of success stablizing Windows rigs. I am willing to fiddle, some, to get this platform stable. It promises to be quite stable after that. Most Poser pros seem to like Win2000 a lot, and testify to its stability. I'm tired of waiting for the G5 or whatever. When it comes, if it comes, the top end will shoot up to $3900 (with additional RAM) as per usual, and I'm sure it will be magnificent, but for THIS TASK I can get the same power for under $2000 with the top of the line Athlon. I never again want to go hunting for tools, only to see the dreaded "For Windows Only" tag on the thing. They don't even say, "Sorry,...." anymore. I have no grudge against Bill Gates. Nothing personal against Microsoft. It's a valid company. And I admire AMD tremendously. As for my responsibility to force the world to write for the Mac by sticking with it, even if reason tells me it is the wrong decision for me, that is a call for me to self-sabotoge. It is rejected. As for being part of the problem, what credit do you give me for 18 years of pioneering in the Mac world? I purchased a Mac 128K with no HD and an imagewriter for $3200.00 on April 2, 1984. I had to drive 250 miles to get it, you couldn't get 'em in LA that month. I was doing business analysis on my Mac 512 with Multiplan in 1984. I was a major "Helix" pioneer, remember Helix? I have placed many friends into Mac systems. I have caused at least 125 Mac systems to be sold into manufacturing companies in Los Angeles. I was a very ardent evangelist for FoxPro on the Mac, now long abandoned because the Mac community displayed no desire for a serious database management system. I do all my web graphics and html imagemapping on Canvas, once a flagship Mac application, now a Windows program with Mac as a tag-along. Hell, I even use Virtual PC, but even THAT program is now being sold hand-over-fist to the Win world, for Win sysops to run multiple instances of different WinOSs, no Mac involved. Dbutenhof, I will discuss this with civility, with you or any other posters, if you wish, but I believe you already owe me an apology. Here is my current shopping list, a work in progress: 228 ...... AMD Athlon XP 2200+ 1.8GHz Processor 152 ...... Asus A7V333 Athlon MBD (Aud/RAID/Firewire/USB) 597 ...... 1.5 Gb (3 x 512MB) DDR PC2700, 333MHz RAM ($199 ea, Crucial) 128 ...... Antec Plus880 Full-Tower Case ATX, 430W 109 ...... Seagate Barracuda IV 80.0GB Hard Drive ..74 ...... Asus 32x12x40 CD Recorder ..59 ...... Asus 16X DVD/48X CD-ROM Drive ..39 ...... KeyTronic Lifetime Designer 104-key PS2 Keyboard (Black) 178 ...... INTUOS2 4X5 USB TABLET & GRIP PEN & 2D MOUSE 106 ...... Asus V8170DDR GeForce4-MX 64MB AGP w DDR Memory 109 ...... Altec Lansing 621 - 3pc Speakers 150 ...... Microsoft Windows2000 or XP, still deciding TOTAL: $1929.00 Apple equiv: 2320 G4 933 Mhz with 80 Gig ATA Drive ...600 1.5 Gig RAM ...149 Speaker system ...178 Intuos Tablet ......69 Keyboard to replace undesirable Mac default Total: $3316 Differential: $1387 I am attempting to be fair, here, and welcome any comments on how either system is not fairly represented. I am not trying to stack the game for either side. As stated above, I think both platforms have their place. I could not quite get the two systems equally equipt. The Apple system has DVD-write support (superdrive) but everything is in that one drive, not as desireable as having two different CD drives. It also has 256MB more RAM (if the G4 has at least 4 slots for memory), which it will need because Macs don't use RAM and Virtual Memory as well as the Win systems. I think the specs on the Baracuda drive are better than the 80-gig from Apple. At the current state of my knowlege, it looks like the audio support on the Asus motherboard is roughly the equiv of that onboard the Mac. I will look into this more deeply later. Now, this Apple system will NOT render Poser animations as fast as the AMD system, I have been advised by two Poser vets who use both. More opinions on that welcome here...... Perhaps a G5 would catch up. But what will the price of THAT be? And when? When this AMD system has come down another $200? ::::: Opera :::::
Thread: Multi-Processing, RAM usage in Poser5 | Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL
With apparently no attempt by Apple to go beyond the circa 1 GHZ G4 (another MacWorld passed) and no explanation by Jobs as to the shocking neglect of the high end, and the insult of having to re-buy OS X, and with Poser not taking advantage of multi-processing, Mac does not seem to be a good choice for a rig intended primarily for Poser. Not to mention the extra $1200-1500 you have to pay for a Mac on the high end to get the same Poser power. Not to mention all the 3D and Poser stuff that is Win only. Not to mention CuriousLabs now making Mac the follow-along-eventually platform. I have been Mac for 17 years, but am buying Athlon system for Poser. ::::: Opera :::::
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Thread: Multi-Processing, RAM usage in Poser5 | Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL