I read that in a thread. I'm still shaking my head about that one. I guess if you use dialup, you can't learn very well, so stated. All this time I was learning to hack and slash my way through poser, was just a waist of time or I'm one of the rare few. As the un-named person stated, the majority on Hispeed learn more/faster because of their internet connection. My, my, and I thought it was intelligence, ability and the thirst of knowledge. Well, now I know why most are better at this than me. I'm a dialup user. ROFLMAO. This is a playful dig to all that think this way.

? Which thread? Please tell, so we can descend like a swarm of angry wasps. :D

highspeed is better cuz they tend to go for free stuff more, and read more tuts, and get more advice

Quote, "highspeed is better cuz they tend to go for free stuff more, and read more tuts, and get more advice" You are joking, right? So it takes maybe 2 more minutes to read a tutorial or get the same advice.

May be so but I am still gonna learned my mutiplykation tablet sum day! 1x1 is 2 2x2 is 4 4x4 is 8 8x8 is...is...removes shoes...10 fingers and 6 toes

nope serious everyone i know (also hate their dialup by the way) arent as good at it cuz they either disconnect or freeze or lag a lot and get tired of it so they end up getting far less items, rarely buy anything, and readings less tuts

Nonsense, its not people with hispeed that are smarter, is it not common knowledge that it's the tall, thin, good looking people that are smarter? -- so Victoria must be a freekin' genius. (uh... there ya go... Poser related.)

Apparently, having a high speed connection doesn't improve one's grammar or spelling, though. ;-) bonni

This runs counter to the basic rule of life, art and writing: Constraint compels creativity. In fact, I've noticed a direct application of the rule to this subject. When I encounter a website filled with uncropped and unsized 3-megabyte BMP files, which could be displayed equally well as 20-kilobyte JPGs, I know without even looking that the site is in an .EDU domain. Academic folks have had "Hispeed" internet forever, and they tend to communicate mainly with other "Hispeed" users. So they never have to learn the benefits of organization and compactness in a website.

I see. And where do the tutorial writers, innovators, and artists of accomplishment among us but happen to be on dialup get their skills, knowledge, motivation, and gain their knowledge? From a secret cabal of even higher-ups who are on cable, DSL, or the really, really super-smart masters with T3 connections? Nope. From themselves, their work, their diligence, their explorations, trials and errors, and for some, their innate talents and capabilities. Were the best artists in pre-internet days the ones with the access to the best teachers and the best art materials? Not necessarily, not that any of those elements hurt, but I'll tell ya, when I was at art school, there were students like me who had to balance classtime and immense loads of homework with working for a living, then there were the offspring of wealthy parents who did not work, could buy hundreds of dollars worth of supplies each week like it was nothing, and who had all the free time in the world, or so it seemed. Were they the better artists or the more diligent students? Oh no, baby, uh-uh. Generally speaking, hard work and a diligent effort to overcome obsticles seemed to be the winning personal factor. I had a color theory teacher at that school who said something that made us laugh, but over the years her wise words have come to mean a lot to me: "All it takes to make great art is a twig and some ink." DSL is great for big downloads though, yeah. :-)

Sounds like the result of data-mining gone amok. They take the results of all those check-boxes ticked on websites that ask about income, education, internet connection, etc. They come up with some kind of "correlation" that best is a very indirect measure and make a "conclusion" that is entirely dubious, but it amuses the ignorant.

56k users dont eat their vegtables and worship the DEVIL too. That's what I heard! honest! :) heeheheheeehheheheeehehehehehehe

"...so Victoria must be a freekin' genius." I don't think so. That braincase doesn't have anywhere near the effective size for thought much more beyond the rudimentary needs. you know the needs, don't you? shoes, tops, swimsuits, shoes, pants, lingerie, shoes... no, wait a sec... oops, my bad. Was confusing myself with victoria for a seocnd there...

I'm using cable, can't say that it has made me smarter or anything. I do know one thing... I'd feel pretty stupid if I gave it up to go back to AOL.

Dialup users are lucky. In my day, we wrote our messages and search queries on paper, and mailed them off to the internet. It would take days or even weeks to get a reply! And sites with heavy graphics? Forget it, it could take months just to refresh the page! (Boy were those painters kept busy!) Man, were we stupid! But think how stupid all those people were before the Internet existed at all! Wow!

Regards-
the 56K Lemur

Message edited on: 01/22/2005 01:21

You had pieces of paper? You were lucky! We had to scratch our queries in the dirt and hope that the search engine found them! It could take YEARS to get a response, and it was usually out of date by the time we got it. We used to dream of looking things up in books... 56K, sheer LUXURY! bonni

Oh, yeah? Well, in my day, we didn't have this fancy-smancy paper stuff. Or writing. If you wanted to exchange information, you stuck your head out of the cave and yelled at the top of your lungs.

And your voice gave out by the time you reached majority.

And you'd already lost your hearing years before.

But that's the way things were, and we liked it!

I think I have a 14.4 modem around here somewhere... and that was blazingly fast for the time. I remember how to make ink using candle soot, so if civilization falls, I'll still be making art. However, this DSL line helps me to share it with more people. :) And I have to agree with bonni that a high speed connection doesn't always improve one's ability to sling words around correctly. Perhaps if kids had to chisel their letters in granite, they'd get the spelling perfected. Carolly

The first device that I worked on was known as the Difference Engine. It was invented by somebody named Charles Babbage. I think that he invented PC games, too.

Anyone familiar with the history of computers should have heard of the Difference Engine.

I go back a long ways............

And what do you think that it was like, connecting to the internet with this device? Talk about slow-w-w-w-w-w. And on top of that, programming was a nightmare.

But the biggest pain of all was running Poser on the thing. Poser kept crashing all of the time, and Victoria always came out looking like she'd been through the wringer.

Man, I always hated that.

And just imagine what it was like when you got your powdered wig caught in the thing. It wasn't pretty, let me tell you.

I attempted to render a Bryce scene on my home Difference Engine once upon a time......I think that the render is still on-going. But good things come to he who waits: the render should be completed in another century or two.

In fact, that's one of the things that initially convinced me to switch to Vue.

I am thinking about upgrading again, but I am not certain if any of my old software will run on a newer machine. We'll see. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

What a dsl and a cable bring is SSSOOOO much information that many eople just download and download but just cannot find the time to use, try out, read or watch what they have downloaded. Provided there's no virus inside of course. Because there is always more. And more. and more. A larger HDD does not have more "little grey cells". Like porf. Confuzedius wrote: "Someone who does not specialize knows less and less about more and more untill, finally, he knows nothing about everything." Wise man he was.

A merchant?????????? Egads, doesn't he know about the lowest common demonitator? Carolly (that was intentional, but dyslexia is so much fun)

Well if it actually was the case then that person must be on a 9600 dialup because that's about the stupidest thing I've ever heard. LOL

I'd say it's more likely the OS that defines the intelligence of the person, people who use simple interfaces like Windows XP are less intelligent than people who have stuck with windows 3.11 & DOS. I use Windows XP myself & have noticed a sharp drop in my skills when dealing with problems regarding the software.

Anyone familiar with the history of computers should have heard of the Difference Engine. I heard he built the bloody thing to calculate the outcomes of horse races.

Carolly,

re: "Egads, doesn't he know about the lowest common demonitator?"

Question:

Just how does one detect the gender of a merchant? ......... Doc wants to know. ;=]

Um, ........... 300 baud anyone, ... anyone .................. a.n.y..o...n....e.........

Help, I'm shrinking ..................................

cheers,
dr geep
;=]

Oh NOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo.................

It looks like Mr Potatohead has really gone to h311 .............

sniff edited 'cuz this keebrd dont no howe tospel .... ;=[

Message edited on: 01/22/2005 09:19

300 baud anyone, ... anyone I remember 300. and ASCI based BBS's

READY

********************************** **** wElCoMe to REALY COOL BBS**** ********************************** [D]ownloads [U]ploads [C]hat [O]ther BBS's [R]ead mail [S]end mail [W]hos on line [P]age sysop [!] Log off ********************************** Command: Dialing each BBS individualy... no "service provider"... talking to people in other countries ment calling long distance... nobody connected by a big world wide network.... that was our "internet" and we liked it. :D

*"nope serious

everyone i know (also hate their dialup by the way)
arent as good at it cuz they either disconnect or freeze
or lag a lot and get tired of it
so they end up getting far less items, rarely buy anything,
and readings less tuts"*

Well, I'm on dial-up out of necessity and wrote a tutorial for Daz. Does that throw a monkeywrench into your system? :)

A survey of more than 5,000 people questioned face-to-face in London, Manchester, Glasgow, Cardiff and Birmingham (UK) found that 33% of user upgraded to Broadband to download music and 23% to download adult services. Thats 23% admited they got broadband to download porn faster in a face to face interview - how many didn't admit it because they were too embarresed. Anyway I spend most of my time online at work on the end of two very fast connections so I must be a super genius compared to broadband users ;-)

Oh NOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo.................

It looks like Mr Potatohead has really gone to h311 .............

No, Doc, he's only gone over to the Dark Side ....

http://comingsoon.net/news.php?id=7938

gad..my first PC (Leading Edge Model D, 8086, 512k memory, 5.25 floppy, and a 20 meg hard drive), that was the 2nd upgrade I did on it (after adding 128k in chips, chips mind you), to a blazingly-fast 1200 baud modem, because there was no way I was going to use one of those 300-baud units. I once was asked to look at a 75-baud modem, with an acoustic coupler (I looked at it, and told 'em I couldn't fix it..;)
Does this mean I have to scrub all my BBS numbers, forget my AT codes, and the silly utilities that showed 'the modem' lights on my screen?..;)
@Xenophon- I actually tried to Model the Difference Engine, once..ran out of memory before I could get a reasonable amount of gearing done..;) It may still be in my gallery, but it's greatly simplified..;)

@Xenophon- I actually tried to Model the Difference Engine, once.

Now that would be a neat model. I'd love to see it completed. I'd even buy it. But it would definitely fit the definition of "niche".

It probably wouldn't sell as well as a new bikini texture for V3.

Oh, I see...you're not going to tell us where the post is.

I can't believe this has gotten this far. Here's exactly what I wrote: "Just a FYI, the download only includes the Grrl mapped version, and instructions on how to easily make a V3 mapped version. Why? Simple. The download gets pretty big for dialup users, and most of the high speed users already have the mad skillz to do the conversion. (It's only two minor changes in text editor.) " I made the post, and the reason I made it, is because some dialup customers I have encountered of late are very new to poser, and haven't had as much exposure to poser knowledge as some of the higher speed poser community. That is an honest statement, and anyone who takes offense to it can just lump it. If you want to "read into" it that I was specifically targetting you to offend you, That's really your issue, not mine. And I even replied that there are exceptions to every rule, but I remember my dialup days, and there are many webpages that loaded mega slow, and many 3d objects and tutorials I had to pass on that I could have learned from, because the download would have taken me so long. I never said "All dialup users are stupid jerks, who can't figure anything out for themselves." And I never alluded to trying to slam dialup users at all. This is another great case of someone offering a freebie, and trying to think of people not fortunate enough to have high speed connections, and just getting dumped on for any old reason. Maybe I should have said, "When offering a freebie to people, and trying to be considerate of dial-up users, some are trolls, who will go out of their way to try to create a problem." Sorry if I'm not "politically correct" enough for some people, but they will just have to learn to get over themselves.

Hey Gareee ... did you know that ...

All dialup users are stupid jerks, who can't figure anything out for themselves. (except for those that can, ha ha)

cheers,
dr geep
;=]

P.S. FYI - Didja know that Dr Geep is a dial-up user. ..... ;=]

FYI. I have never trolled on anyone and I didn't troll you or your generous freeie. Quote, " Maybe I should have said, "When offering a freebie to people, and trying to be considerate of dial-up users, some are trolls, who will go out of their way to try to create a problem." I did say it was a playful dig and I never called anyone names or used anyones name. There are some very witty responses.

Yeah, but it was a "playful dig" in the original thread, AND also a "playful dig" in a dedicated thread here as well? Just so you know, I didn't want to take much time in posting that thread over at Daz, because I had to do a total xp reinstall, and lost ALL of my poser downloads, both free, and the ones I've bought. Some were backed up, some were not, and ALL my programs and utilites need to be reinstalled. On top of that, this was caused by a hardware failure in my onboard sound, and at one point, it took my almost 1/2 a day just to get my system to boot up again, and I thought I might have lost all my work in progress as well. Little by little, I'm getting things reinstalled, and working again, but will have to buy a new sound card, just to bypass the hardware failure of the mainboard sound. (I really don't want to screw around installing a new mainboard. I didn't realize that I had totally lost a 60 gig partition until yesterday, and I'm supposed to not be tinkering with this and working at all, because tomorrow's my B-day, and we are supposedly celebrating it today and tonight. (So far the weather and the day have been totally against us.) We can't celebrate tomorrow, because my wife has a 12 hour work day, so I'll be spending my B-day here alone, supposedly not working on poser or my computer stuff. Needless to say, I'm a bit thin skinned right now, and have far more on my plate to be concerned about then debating someone in a thread when no offence was intended to anyone at all, and I was trying to quickly offer something useful to people I feel strongly indebted to, for supporting my creative efforts.

Quote, "Yeah, but it was a "playful dig" in the original thread, AND also a "playful dig" in a dedicated thread here as well?" I thought that's what a "wink" was. And being alone is no big deal, I do it every day. After my stroke I found out who my freinds were. 0

I started on a steam-powerd computer, with wooden gear wheels. Way before the Babbage guy came around. When we wanted to overclock to get a really fast answer it we used to hang a wrench on the safety valve (ask Mark Twain about that!)... Seriously, though, I did talk to a guy that explained why so many sites that sell stuff use Flash and other things that make it almost impossable to view them on dialup- he said they don't want dial-up customers, anybody that so cheap that they wouldn't buy broadband wouldn't spend any money, anyway. That's what he said, no, I don't agree with it, and yes, I know some people can't get broadband. ;-)

I've heard that as well, but the fact of the matter, is broadband just isn't available everywhere. I'm in the mountians of NC, and I had to fight tooth and nail to get broadband cable, even though I can almost hit the telephone pole with a rock! (and I almot wanted to!) After 4 months of haggling, and being told that cable just wasn't available in our area, they finally sent a supervisor out to look at the actual situation. After a week of deliberating, they decided a co-pay would be required.. we had no idea how bad that would be, and then the finally called back, and said it was 43. I said $4300??? Isn't that a little excessive for only a 100 feet or so?? Then he told us the copay to run the additional lines was actually $43. $43 for 4 months of grief! Upshot was they felt bad about that going over their records, and decided our 1st 4 months would be free!

I waited five years for broadband in my area. Refused to settle for a dialup connection in the interim. Which is why none of you saw me here until 2001.

Uhm, really, I thought this thread was just a bit of fun. shrug And if Gareee hadn't stepped forward, I never would have known where the original thread was (and I wouldn't have cared; still don't, actually). I suspect that a great many people didn't read the original thread... Sorry to hear about your woes, Gareee. I had something similar happen not long ago, it's a huge pain in the neck and enough to make anyone a little grumpy. bonni

Havent read the rest of the thread yet...But Sorry I have to say,
that once Ive been on a hi-speed internet connection (which hasent
been long), I HAVE been able to learn more! mainly due to the fact
that, I can send/receive messages and read tutorials quicker, plus
all pages load faster or just simply load-up, where they would not
before. I remember not been bothered to do certain things, mainly
sending messages, because the time it took to perform these tasks,
was pain stakenly stupid! One more thing, I wouldnt have bothered
to post this message if I were on Dial-up, coz it used to take 2-3
or 4 mins just to load! ok, thats just my opinion, ill read the
rest of the comments now :) >>>PLEASE DONT hurt me

"And if Gareee hadn't stepped forward, I never would have known where the original thread was"

Same here. My sarcasm was directed towards anxcon who insisted 'yep, it's true'. (as if I give a damn what half-though someone gives a situation they know little about)

Y'know.. the more I see him, the more I think I need to own him. I wonder if there'll be a Mrs Darth Tater? And their kids.. the Darth Tater Tots..... Well, I have lightwave 8 up, and now upgraded to the new 8.02, and finally got my tablet working again. The drivers are no longer online anywhere, but I managed to find the rar file that had the drivers and installation stuff. And winrar's back up again as well. The thing that just really irritated the the most about this, is that I'm super careful, and super organized on my system. My wife always marvels at how many little changes I make, and tweaks to get everything running as smooth as possible, with no issues. No one's perfect though, and as they say, Shit happens. I did though get Snow of my B-Day though, so I'm happy about that!

Dang it Gareee, I was gonna mention the tater tots Luke and Leia! ;P Somebody on the Freefall forum (I forget who) said you can reenact Anakin falling into the lava pit with a deep fat fryer XD And my first computer had a 20MB hard drive (which my family never filled up), and 512KB RAM. Now that was top-of-the-line when we bought it!