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Bobby Sue Solo is availble in the market place till midnight...you can get her for just $14.95! Check it out! On a side note, any one who buys the Silverleif Studios CD gets the BobbySue total package for free as well as lots of other free goodies with more being added all the time, so check it out if you haven't already!

Are We Twins? I checked out Bobby sue in the shop. The 3. image showed here hand, it looked strangely familiar and when i checked my hand it was identical. So i just wondered if you are my twin or maybe you have just used parts of my textures (or legal PD modifications) in your work as they have a scan of my left hand. Using my work commercially is NOT ALLOWED! So if that is the case then pleas remove the texture and pay back all profit you have made. Staale

Y'know, this is the second time this week we've had instances of people "appropriating" materials for commercial gain. First we had MoCap with an outrageous display of hutzpah in trying to sell models given away for free on the 3DWorld CD, and now this, which is smaller and more difficult to trace. I know these marketplaces don't engineer a lot of money for the vendors (well, okay, for most of them), but is that any reason to short-circuit and steal?

Wasn't Dmentia harping on neftis just a week ago for allegedly copying her texture in that huge thread in the C&D forum? She was one of the most arrogant, outspoken people in that thread, fueling the lynch-mob with her attacks on neftis. Can you say HYPOCRITE, ladies and gentlemen? Every time I start to forget that Renderosity is a nest of bloodthirsty weasels centred around a marketplace something like this comes along and refreshes my memory. I'm really sorry to hear that your textures are being used AGAIN Staale (I read about the earlier incidents). Its very unfortunate. The bright side of it is that it just shows what top-notch work you put out. Thanks for keeping them free, like Poser items should be.

Wouldn't it be nice if Dmentia was allowed to reply to staale before you all lynch her?

Perhaps it would, PDBlake. But perhaps you should also read the debate over the Mehndi/neftis braid in the C&D forum where Dmentia took active part in the lynching of neftis for 'allegedly' copying Mehndi's hairstyle. Apparently Dmentia's rules on copyright infringement apply only to others, and not to herself. The lines on your palms are as unique as fingerprints -- no two are the same. The image by Staale above shows that the hand has been copied. If you look closely, not only do the wrinkles match perfectly, but so do the strange discolorations (no offense Staale :) at the base of the wrist. Keep in mind, also, that the left one is an antialiased 3D render while right one is a flat 2D texture. Theres no way that the two skins are of different hands. Id like to see Dmentia talk her way out of this one. Im sure her little clique of friends will rush to her defense though, just like they rushed to attack neftis.

I think it woudl be nice if there was a pause before the lynching - but then, no one gave Mehndi that chance before dragging out the torches, did they?

gee, I sure hope all you guys are right in your accusations. If not, alot of apologies are going to have to go around. I personally believe that these things should be sorted out privately but then I understand people wanting to have it all out in the open too. It's just that maybe innocent people might have their reputations tarnished by false accusations. I don't know dementia, I have only bought one of her items before (a season texture of some sort) so I am not defending her at all because I am a friend or member if any clique...please just be careful!

Well, the best I can say for now is that they look awefully close, but I will wait for some more information. Then again, I with-held judgement on Mehndi too :) I just think the REAL apologizing is going to start happening if it turns out to be true.

you may be right...and I am apalled that people do this. I am naive enough to think that s--t like this doesn't happen...but I also think that people make mistakes...sometimes they really are not doing this intentionally... because they are stupid and haven't read licenses thoroughly, also maybe just plain stupid...also innocent beyond any reason...there are alot of scenaros. And...this is my oppinion as a calm person, trying to help the thread from getting out of control, thats all...

Well, hopefully the recent lynchings have taught everyone to be patient in judgement.

While I can't help but be highly amused at the irony of this, I do recommend calm and caution. Already the 'fog of war' has dealt a blow to the truth - Mehndi was NOT the subject of theft accusations or the victim of a subsequent 'lynch mob'.

I said neftis, PJF -- I think soulhuntre got confused and said Mehndi instead. Watch how little attention this thread gets. I'm willing to wager that most of the group I was referring to has read this already, but is refraining from commenting in order to avoid drawing attention to this thread. Its amazing how they protect their own, yet dont hesitate for a moment to pounce on someone like neftis. Sweep, sweep, sweep... Sweep it under the rug, baby. The hipocrisy of this amazes and angers me. Dmentia was preaching about the moral issues of copying other artist's work and condemning neftis, meanwhile she was hard at work ripping off Staale's free textures and putting together her marketplace package. And where is William The Bloody screaming BOYCOTT! BOYCOTT! now that its his little friend thats in question?

They're incredibly similar. Very much so. Staale has every right to be worried about it, as they look so much alike that I would swear Bobby's hand IS Staale's. And Dmentia's not exactly been careful with other people's work before. If you ever downloaded the Seven of Nine pack she did a while back, you'd have gotten the hr2 file of the wedge cut. I did. I don't even own the style and it worked.

Yeah .. I used the wrong name, sorry about that :) Sorry to both of em ... I meant neftis. Maybe this IS a glass houses incident? I don't know. It could be innocent... I'll reserve judgment till I see what happens.

You know what?...Happy Independence Day!...I love you guys, and if you are concerned about this or any of my work, please feel free to contact me personally! my email address is dmentia@infoave.net I look forward to hearing from you! Have a nice day!

And to you as well, D -- now, it would be real simple to just say, "You know, it was an honest mistake" or "Nope, Staale is over-reacting; that's my work". But to engage in this charming diversion... well, it says far more than you apparently think. You might want to reconsider your position here.

I think this thread should be moved to C&D. THis is not the first time the use of Staal's textures have been questioned. And, all of you who were so opposed to the "lynch mob" that wanted to boycott Neftis' hair....Guess what guys...you are the mob now. I totally studied my own hands, to see if they differ. The left one does a whole bunch. The right one is quite similar. After all...this is not forensic science, whereby, we can zone in on the very, very miniscule attributes that make each of our handprints unique. We are looking at the TINY lil bit of "evidence" that was presented, without the benefits of a real analysis. IMHO...Dmentia has been an upstanding contributer to this community. Don't rush to judgement, without facts. (Any judgements, that I made on the Mehndi/Neftis controversy, were based upon facts that I felt were private. Pop..pop...pop!!! Hey, now...How about those fireworks?

I would love to think that this reluctance to judge is because we, as a community, learned something fromt he last lynching.... But I don't think so. It seems that social forces are at work then. Ah well :) I am sure it will all sort itself out. It's certainly easy enough to do a comparison of the relevant texture maps. This isn't something that can be hidden.

LOL Dmentia. Its always interesting to see people's reactions (even if its just on a forum) to being caught red-handed. I was anticipating what sort of explanation you could possibly have for cloning Staale's hand texture, but youre obviously going for the "ignore it and it will go away" approach. Well, I sincerely hope you dont get away with trying to sweep this one under the rug, not after what you pulled on neftis with your false accusations. I wonder how many of your other textures have been harvested from other artist's work. Like you said to neftis, "Tesoro is the first stolen property you got caught for, how many products prior to that are also stolen?...and being that you didnt feel too guilty after getting caught, how many products after that are also stolen?" --Dmentia "Neftis' excuse for stealing from me was "I didnt know any better"...well now she does know its wrong to steal from others..." --Dmentia By your own words, you know better as well. Staale -- you have very sharp eyes. In the hundreds of textures in the marketplace I'm amazed at how you pick things like this out. At first glance it might pass, but upon close examination they're identical.

Staale puts a lot of work into his textures, and I bet he could tell part of his work with his eyes closed. It should only take a minute to compare the two textures. It's too bad this happened on a US holiday. Someone impartial should compare the textures and post the results. After that, someone owes someone else a BIG appology, and maybe some $$$. I don't think this thread should be moved. It started here and should end here.

So...show me lips. Show me eyes. Don't come around saying it is a rip off, based on a view of a hand texture. I swipe lips from, well, even, porn sites. There is no evidence, here. I.E. Prove it, and I will agree. This thread should be moved. It has become "an issue".

Umm.. the lips wouldn't matter, neither would the eyes. The only thing in question here IS the hands. And technically, you arent supposed to swipes the lips from photographs you don;t have the rights to - but even I am not that picky :)

I'm willing to wager that most of the group I was referring to has read this already, but is refraining from commenting in order to avoid drawing attention to this thread. Its amazing how they protect their own, yet dont hesitate for a moment to pounce on someone like neftis. hello, are you making presumptions about the supposed clique that part-times as the lynch mob in c&d forum? i don't know if there is a clique and i'm certainly not part of a clique even tho I was one of the ones who accused neftis and did not retract it. i didn't know anyone else from that thread before it started and i'm sure that's that case for most of the others. the reason i have not jumped in on THIS lynching is cos you are doing a pretty good job of it already. :) also, this is not c&d and believe it or not, i behave a bit more reservedly in this forum. that's just me. please don't lump "us" all together. i didn't see a clique/lynch/group dropdown selection when i joined renderosity a couple of months ago. by the way, where does one find the original staale texture?

It could be a disease, you know? Kleptolippia, or something. To me, the lips, and, then the eyes, are the things most easily compared to an "original". Think about it...not too many people buy a model for the palm prints. Lips, NOW...they are a whole nother story, ss are eyes.

I am not sure they are the same...maybe but these areas make that very unclear...

So...show me lips. Show me eyes. Don't come around saying it is a rip off, based on a view of a hand texture. I swipe lips from, well, even, porn sites. There is no evidence, here. Think about it...not too many people buy a model for the palm prints. Lips, NOW...they are a whole nother story, ss are eyes. see, here is supposedly a fellow clique member but i don't agree with her. (hi Poppi! no offense intended!) even colour shades that are recognisable can be complained about and have been... if they are recognisable, it doesn't matter how prominent the particular group of pixels are, the copyright applies. to me it's a recognition issue, identity infringement, all that crap... i don't have the legalese words but i think i understand the spirit in which they exist... and i support their existense. dazall folks.

maybe it's not my place but ..to say that doesn't matter because it's a palm print ...is ..silly to say the least after all thr work staale has personally put into his work .. to point of scannin his/her self is enuf and if one piece of the texture is stolen be it a toenail ..it's sumone else's hard word less otherwise stated they deserve credit maybe even compensation for their work ...

Staale's past texture work has been supreme in leading the poser community toward's it current state...As far as anyone taking advantage of his work I have no comment on...His current concern does seem to be something that might require a second look but I am bugged by a couple of things regarding that.....I won't even get into that...I guess this is what I want to know...OK, so someone does violate what is considered your copyright or at least you think maybe they have...The staff here at Render seems to be responsive on all levels whether it be a concern with the store or the public forums regarding copyright issues...I can't figure out why is it that every time something like this comes up it has to be turned into a public bit when the appropriate route would be to contact the administrators, privately, and let them do their jobs???? Does the public embarassement of an indiviual prove a point, regardless of if they are right or wrong....This type of behaviour just strikes me as being so juvenile I can't even comprehend it...Come on guys...Get real...The staff here is responsive to concerns and complaints..Take it to them first and see what happens...The only thing this type of thing does is bring the community down as whole...I am not making light of the concern or complaint here since I see it as something that is worth looking into...BUT..The public members here won't have a say as to who is right or wrong..The staff here will determine that...Crappy gossip about it won't help anyone...

Maybe we can get permission to post the palm section of the Bobbi Sue texture for comparison? Surely it is not going to make the work less commercially viable.

Bia keep in mind that the one on the left is a 3D textured object. Around the thumb area it wont look exactly the same because its deformed around the mesh. It only takes 3 matches for fingerprints. In moments I found 8. There are more, I left out the strikingly obvious ones like the double inverted VVs. If someone unbiased who has actually purchased the texture could post an image of the hand texture this would all be laid to rest once and for all.

Kennect -- Dmentia and friends didn't hesitate a moment to tarnish the marketplace reputation of neftis by falsely accusing her of stealing Mehndi's braid. There were well over 300 posts altogether in the C&D forum on that issue, all of them protests, calls for boycotting neftis's items, people demanding that her item be removed from the store, personal insults, etc. What angers me is the fact that one of the people that posted there that was so quick to condemn neftis, was at the time of their posting stealing Staale's texture to use on their own marketplace item. So go ahead, accuse me of fueling a lynch mob April. What goes around comes around. Unfortunately the only thing I've learned from these issues is that I'll never release the items I was working on for freestuff for fear of them being harvested in other artists work -- and an increased appreciation for those artists that do submit legitimate items and have to deal with this bullshit day after day.

Ok... I took a look at the hands in Photoshop, using the Bobbi Sue maps I purchased and the (small) image posted on this thread.... and I have to tell you, the center of the palm looks REALLY close. There has been some heavy blur work done on parts of the Bobbi Sue hand that make it hard to pinpoint some details, and the lines of the finger joints look different but that could be the scale up I had to do on the sample I have from Staale's post. Aside from the lines in the palm, the color flaws look close. But it's hard for me to say and I am sure no professional. Ah well, thats just some info from a 20 minute look.

InBlack, I am fully aware of what happened in regards to what you mentioned...That is the reason for my post...People around here need to learn that any complaints of this nature should be dealt with privately since one never knows when maybe something is thrown in their direction...But human nature just doesn't seem to work in a fashion that makes sense...People around here really seem to want blood to pour into the streets if they feel they have been wrongly done by someone else...There has to be a better way to approach these situations...

So go ahead, accuse me of fueling a lynch mob April. What goes around comes around. Unfortunately the only thing I've learned from these issues is that I'll never release the items I was working on for freestuff for fear of them being harvested in other artists work -- and an increased appreciation for those artists that do submit legitimate items and have to deal with this bullshit day after day. that is exactly why some of us are rabid (in varying degrees of passion) about copyright issues, to prevent future contributors from making the conclusion that it is no longer worth it to share their work because it will just get ripped off! btw, i'm not "accusing" you of starting a lynch mob anymore than i am denying that i was in a lynch mob from the "other" thread. you guys see the differing stances here? just in this thread alone? hmmm... since i know this won't go anywhere, i'm not addressing the issue between staale and dmentia. i'm just addressing these side issues... which seem to center on how people think other people should think! i know i'm being one of these... but truly, i don't intend to make people think my way, i just want the freedom to voice my opinion. i am not convinced it's my fault that people feel threatened of being brainwashed just cos i am stating my opinions. (speaking generally about threads, nothing specific here.) i guess this could go in a thread about "how possible lynch mob incitement should be handled" instead of adding here... but then i'll just get accused of reviving some old issue when the old issue was on its way out. how many renderosity forumites does it take to change a light bulb? by the way, when i said colour shades in post #27 i meant colour shade combos

Well, I would post the relevant portions of the texture, but that would violate the license I agreed to when I purchased it. And isn't that sort of poetic :)

Attached Link: http://home.online.no/~kjellil/

I have received a mail from Dementia, and she claims the hand is a mix of different sources non of which are mine. But to be honest if Bobby Sue's palm print was left on a murder scene i would be looking at a future behind bars. After all, my right hand is similar but also considerably different from my left, so the chance of merging a texture of different sources into something that is identical to one of the few other highres palm textures found on the net is rather small. I merged the two images on top of each other and the centers matched perfectly, the edges where differently curved and stretched sins one is a flat 2D for Poset while the other is a 3D render of Vicky. The reason for me to point it out in public was that i took a behind the curtains approach when 'that other guy' used my work, just to see him post more of my work a couple of days later. Dementia's stuff is still on sale so i guess i have to be the bad guy and put a stop to it. My textures can be found here http://home.online.no/~kjellil/ For the affordable price of $ 0,- Yes! that's Zero SpaceBucks! Ohh, i did some... let me think.... URRMI's?! last night and they looked superb! (URRMI = Un Rendered Reflection Map Image) Staale

sigh another forum gone...

O.K. I have refrained from posting on these threads since the last when I still believe that someone did steal Staales texture. But I have to say something now. 1. I don't know. That is my position on this. I haven't seen enough to convince me one way or the other, so I will WITHHOLD judgement. Something that I think a few of you might do from time to time instead of jumping to conclusions. 2. No, I don't know Dementia. I have bought many of her textures for Antons stuff, etc., and I believe she commented on one of my gallery items, and other than that I know nothing more about her than I do most of you. So don't always be so quick to jump to the clique excuse when someone doesn't jump to condemn others. Besides, don't you all have friends? Anywhere? And wouldn't you stand up for them if you thought they needed it? So why when it is someone here at 'rosity, does everyone start throwing the word clique around. I haven't posted much here until the last few months, so I haven't really had time to make many friends here, but I hope to. But does that mean I will join a clique? I think not. 3. Why is everyone harping on Dmentia's comment. Personally I think trying to be polite and at the same time trying to move the issue out of the public forums was an upholdable thing to do. It isn't like we as the community won't know the final outcome. Come on. In other issues you guys are always bemoaning that things need to move off the forums before the mob sets in. This time Dmentia tries to do that in a civilized way and ya lynch her for that. Give me a break. 4. I don't know Staale. I love his work and he does incredible textures, and I publicly stood for him in that "other" issue, even though I got slammed in IM's for it. But in that case I came to a clear judgement for myself. And I still stand by it. (And actions afterwords made me feel I hadn't misjudged.) But, even though I agree that there is some resemblance, I am not sure. So please don't take this that I am standing against you either, Staale. I am just tired of everyone pitting themselves against everyone else. Instead of staying on the issue, everyone has to jump off to throw attacks at this other person because they disagreed with their point of view. We all have opinions. Fine. But does that really give us the right to trash others who state theirs? Lets give this a rest unless Staale wants to keep on with it. If he is happy to talk with Dmentia privately, then why keep dragging it through the mud. Now I have said my piece, which is more than I intended to say, and must get back to work. Good luck to you Staale and to you Dmentia. You both do great work and I hope you can get this figured out civally. Angela

I have seen the scans of her hands and the photo's she used. Both your real hands are virtually identical down to the lines and coloring. Then figure lining everything up for Vicki's palm. The resemblance is stiking, but I don't believe she borrow from your map. Mabey you both sourced some similar photos. Taking time to calm down before saying something rash is a safe bet. I know it seems like she ripped you off. And I know you are all worked up now, but she didn't so lets not drag her name through the mud. Anyone who can paint fabric like that is perfectly capable of scanning her own hand and lining it up a template like you did. I know it's easier at this point to just think she stole from you. Look at this image of hers. Why would she use your map? http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=16622&Start=1&Artist=Symphony&ByArtist=Yes Regards, Anton

I would like to thank the person that game me the hint. This case is won, in Dmentias Affiliated Artists section there is a free download called Faelyn1, download that and compare it with my texture. BTW: i have evidence to F*** Dmentia over so if anyone else gets in trouble with here then mail me and i will hand it over, for the moment will remain a secret between me, Dmentia and the person that gave me the Faelyn1 hint. Dementia can put the texture in the free stuff section where it belongs. End of story. Staale

I suspect one of two things - 1) Dmentia DID use some other image to do the hands and honestly doesn't remember if it was the one in question or not, or 2) Dmentia simply does not want to discuss this publicly for whatever reason. (Or BOTH)...

Staale this is hopeless. Even if you have proof, you wont get anywhere with it because Dmentia is one of the popular people here at Renderosity, and therefore her little friends will always stick up for her and lie through their teeth for her. This bullshit about it being her hand scanned in (and remarkable identical to yours) is rediculous. Hands are UNIQUE. There are so many perfect matches on these textures that there is NO DOUBT that they are the same hand. You could convict someone for murder with less evidence. The people arguing that its a 'coincidence' that Dmentia's scanned in hand just happens to be identical to yours are obviously blindly defending Dmentia out of friendship or are just too stupid to know that hands, while they may have similar features, are totally unique and no two are identical. Further defense of her such as "Dmentia DID use some other image to do the hands and honestly doesn't remember if it was the one in question or not" is even more bullshit. Staale bringing it up like this should have jogged her memory, and she could simply have addressed it by saying "I don't remember where I got them, I'll just change them" and thats it. End of story. Anton I dont care what Dmentia is capable of so stop posting links to her picture expecting it to be some sort of proof that she didnt use Staales texture. Wow, she can make a nice still image. So can a lot of people at Renderosity. It doesnt entitle them to harvest other people's work and be immune to both international copyright law and the terms of service of both Renderosity and its marketplace. "Anyone who can paint fabric like that is perfectly capable of scanning her own hand and lining it up a template like you did." Anton, then why the hell didn't she? It would have taken her an entire 10 minutes to scan in her own hand. Just because she should be capable of doing it doesnt mean that everyone should assume that she did and drop the subject, especially when there is irrefutable proof that the textures are identical. Would you call Staale a liar? Yes, thats it. I'm sure Staale copied Dmentia! Too bad that he carries with him the damning evidence -- his own hand. Again, the clique prevails. Staales rights as a non-clique member are cast aside. This is my last post at Renderosity. I'm moving on to a better place, a community of artists that isnt centred around a marketplace, which I feel is corrupting Renderosity. A place where both the forums and galleries arent spammed with advertisements for a certain clique's work, nor are the rights of people who are not members of this circle trodden upon. Unfortunately, I'll miss a lot of you. I really liked Renderosity back when everything everyone produced wasnt centred around money. Art should come from the heart, not from a desire to manipulate and greed for money.

(re-posted after a spell check) Well, if it is a "combination" of sources then that will explain why the fingers don't quite match... but the palm sure does. I can understand if perhaps this is an innocent mistake maybe she honestly forgot where that came from, maybe she thinks taking just a palm doesn't matter... but it does. What I can tell you is that the Faelyn1 hands are basically identical to those in Bobby Sue, so if those palms are your's, so are the ones in Bobby Sue. I am a little annoyed by the "secret evidence" insinuation but I would also be happiest if not everything was dragged out on a whim so I guess I agree. The bottom line is this: 1) If your texture was used, no matter how small the peice, then that should be acknowledged by Renderosity admin's and by Dmentia. The item should be pulled until that is fixed 2) What about those of us who paid it? Is our license still valid? How do we go about getting an additional license from Staale so we can still use it? Will be offered a refund? 3) Some sort of public apology would be in order. It is unconscionable that someone who themselves broke the copyright laws (Dmentia did) should have spearheaded the lynch mob we say recently. 4) Some explaination from the staff about the difference in reactions. In "the hair situation" the item was pulled from sale immediately pending investigation. I know Dmentia has a good reputation but if that is the policy, why the difference? I don't know how much texture was copied, I am not even 100% sure that there was one (though it is really close, really, really close) ... but this needs to be laid to rest and just sweeping it under the rug isn't going to work. What I do know is that Renderosity's reputation is on the line here, as well as Dmentia's. This is a serious situationt hat needs some official response... because I have to tell you as an outsider this starts to look like proof of that "inside crowd" people keep mentioning more and more.

Although I became a member here when this was still the poserforum and as such have witnessed much controversy, I have never felt compelled to respond to any post in the forums. I do now because of the stench this situation is creating. I now see that the hand texture applied to Ds Bobby Sue in the Marketplace has been changed and the free texture Faelyn1 has been removed. Staale has provided this community with outstanding textures which he chooses to make available at no cost as long as the user agrees to his simple license printed directly on the texture. At the very least Dementia should acknowledge and apologize for her lapse in judgment or explain the original texture and the curious events that have transpired since. zap

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soulhuntre, We pull items from the store when a formal copyright complaint is filed. Since the item is still in the store I dont think this has been done. If a formal Copyright complaint is lodged the item will be removed during the investigation. Formal copyright complaints can be filed at the attached link. Clint Renderosity Administration

If need be I will purchase the "new" Bobbi Sue and run a pixel comparison... If there is some kind of "silent fix" in progress I am sure many here have the files & skills needed to figure out what is happening. Come on, don't try and do this quietly - just make an announcement and play straight with us, you already look bad. I understand your point about a formal complaint, and I think Staale should make one - but I ALSO think you have a responsability to look into these issues on your own. Individual artists will come and go - but your business reputation is what you are stuck with. BTW - you can get Faelyn1 here -> http://www.renderosity.com/~dmentia/Dmentia_FaeLyn1.zip

(((This is my last post at Renderosity. I'm moving on to a better place, a community of artists that isnt centred around a marketplace, which I feel is corrupting Renderosity.))) Marketplaces, corporations and money DO NOT CORRUPT...people let themselves be corrupted by their own (insert greed..etc etc)...and a community is PEOPLE...imagine that. (((A place where both the forums and galleries arent spammed with advertisements for a certain clique's work))) Well...I wish you luck considering most, if not all, these communities are funded by advertisements so you can get in free. (((nor are the rights of people who are not members of this circle trodden upon.))) HUH?!?!?! What circle? What clique? Some of these folks that you are lumping together as "communal ass kissers" have, in the past, torn each other apart over stuff. (((What I do know is that Renderosity's reputation is on the line here))) I hate to burst your bubble InBlack but, it's rep was on the line even before I became a member...anything involved in Art, Music et all will always have some sort of controversy around it...always. In short...I agree that something should be done. But, let the three parties involved sort it out. I have not/probably will not EVER release anything for free or for sale in this community. Free may get abused...put it up for sale and "you greedy corporate (expeletive)" or "so and sos Product is a RIP OFF." From what I have seen there are quite a few thankless people in this community whose only job is to piss and moan like little kids who didn't get their way. As for lynch mobs...only when there is proof beyond doubt will you ever see me joining one of those.

We take these issues very very seriously. We have the talent in the Admin team to check out things of this nature. Thanks for your offer to help soulhuntre. But we deal with these types of issues at an internal level here at Renderosity once a claim is filed. Regards, Clint

I know you have the talent :) I am not trying to be a rabble rouser here - you guys have a really tough job and I know it must not be an easy one. Anyway, I am glad to see you post here as it is the indication we needed that you folks are aware of the situation - hopefully someone can clear this up and let us all get on with our lives :)

Hi! I'm late, sorry. I usually on stumble apon this sort of thing in Comp/Debate. From what I've read: 1. The textures are without a doubt, the same. 2. Dmentia offers no comment. 3. The item is not pulled. 4. The textures are now, quietly, different. 5. No formal complaint has been made, so no FORMAL action has been taken. Now, My opinion: 1. Based on what I can see, I agree totally. 2. No comment never looks good coming from anyone. 3. It should be pulled based on this thread and examined. 4. If Dmentia and the staff quietly changed the texture, they are not only ducking the issue they are backpeddling and imbeding a copyright infringement. 5. It would be preferable if a formal complaint was made, but I think the thread here serves that purpose well enough and the fact that the staff (clinth) has dropped by means that they are aware of it. I have always liked dmentia but it is clear that this whole thing stinks. I am not part of any clique. I post my images and I states me opinions. I occasionally offer characters for free. That's all I do. I also find it troubling that Dmentia was so active in the Neftis thing (and in my Marilyn thread also). I could offer one more item of curiosity but I will refrain. -WTB