I don't know if I want to rage or face palm.  I sent in a support ticket to SM about the mat room being so bleeping slow and this is what I got back from them:

[quote]Poser requires IE installed. you do not need to use it as your Browser, but it must be installed. Please download and install the IE 8 or IE 9 for your OS and make sure they are fully up to date.[/quote]

Really SM?  I'm required to have IE installed on my system just so I can make a bikini wearing Vicky in a temple with a sword image?  I didn't want that program on my system.  I'm happy with firefox.  Now I have to have something I don't need because SM can't understand there are FF, Chrome, and Opera people out there?

ARGH!!!

I think most of us knew this Winterclaw...lol. It's been a requirement since Poser 8 IIRC.

The library uses IE's version of Flash or something along those lines.

Laurie

You have to have NET installed as well, and that has more holes in it than IE ever did.

Just be glad it doesn't use Java....

I did not know this.  I started with poser 7 and didn't see the requirement change as it is in small print on the back of the box.

I'm on a mac and I run safari, but i haven't noticed material room being slow.

IE has nothing to do with the material room. It's the library that uses an IE component.

And it doesn't use your whole browser or make you use it for your browser. It is (or was at the time) the only reliable way to use an HTML/HTTP UI to host the library component.

On the Mac, it's running a piece of Safari to do the same.

While it's great that you're into picking which browser you use and snearing at the one you don't, the issue isn't about which browser you use. It's about a library component that should be part of the operating system or the .net library, but instead is packaged as part of IE.

In case you must know why - it was done to so that a single implementation of the library component would work on every platform and every SM graphics product.

...is this why when I switched from Poser 7 to Poser 8 on a Mac the library seems to take so long to load, maybe? I don't recall this behavior in Poser 7...

@Winterclaw: I'm running Poser9 with Ubuntu linux and the only thing that isn't working without IE installed is the library component. In my opinion, it was a moronic move from SM to make the software actually more platform dependent when the goal seems to be the opposite. 

It does not matter much to me personally, since there are much better 3rd party library alternatives out there. 

I DID NOT update Poser because of this 'feature'.  Still using Poser 7 here.

Best Wishes,
Rªnce

Quote - @Winterclaw: I'm running Poser9 with Ubuntu linux and the only thing that isn't working without IE installed is the library component. In my opinion, it was a moronic move from SM to make the software actually more platform dependent when the goal seems to be the opposite. 

It does not matter much to me personally, since there are much better 3rd party library alternatives out there. 

Completely agree with you, they should have never made that move and I'm so grateful there are excellent alternatives...... oh and the whole myth that you cannot add new libraries without the library isn't true either. Just locate LibraryPrefs.xml for the current version you're using, open it with notepad and just add your new library, making sure the you add 1 to the index. If your last index=20 then add 1 to it so you get index=21. I still fail to see how depending on IE is an improvement, especially if you don't use it all or even have it installed.

It wasn't an improvement to use IE - you're being rather ridiculous by saying that.

It was a compromise, so that they could get two OS implementations and two applications (Poser and Anime Studio) = 4 implementations, for the price of 1.

Nobody ever said this was the best library possible. Stop whining.

The reason the new searchable library was made was because too many people dumped all their content into a single runtime creating a complete mess.

And SM thought they should rather cater to the people who couldn't be bothered to use multiple runtimes to better organize their stuff than use that money to, let's say, create a new set of professionally made figures instead just in case DAZ might do something weird with Vicky in the future. 

;-)

But anyway, the deed is done and it's water under the bridge.

I used a 3rd party library during the Poser 8/ PP 2010 days, but now I use the Poser library, and yes, it works quite properly.

I don't use IE for anything, so it just hogs a few mb on my machine. Don't think it's a big security risk just sitting there and with Poser blocked by the firewall.

As I said, I'm not too happy about needing IE on my machine, but I'm not too paranoid about it, either.

Quote - IE has nothing to do with the material room. It's the library that uses an IE component. And it doesn't use your whole browser or make you use it for your browser. It is (or was at the time) the only reliable way to use an HTML/HTTP UI to host the library component.

 It's about a library component that should be part of the operating system or the .net library, but instead is packaged as part of IE. In case you must know why - it was done to so that a single implementation of the library component would work on every platform and every SM graphics product.

Thanks for the why Bill. I like MS for some things, Windows (before 8), Visual Studio, Big, Hotmail, etc. but IE (like the xbox) isn't one of them.

Now I have to yell at CS for telling me to install something I needed (library worked fine) but had no relation to the problem I had.

Don't have IE installed but I hacked a couple files so the library will run without it. Loads lightning fast. I don't know why Smith Micro doesn't do the same.

Quote - ...is this why when I switched from Poser 7 to Poser 8 on a Mac the library seems to take so long to load, maybe? I don't recall this behavior in Poser 7...

At the bottom of the Library pane there is a little beaded bar.  Click on it, and on the General tab uncheck "Reopen Folders" and it will be much quicker to open...

Quote - @Winterclaw: I'm running Poser9 with Ubuntu linux and the only thing that isn't working without IE installed is the library component.

I can run Poser Pro 2010 in openSUSE using Wine 1.5-22; it uses Wine-Gecko.  Did you install the Flash plugin for FF into Wine?  Download the executable from Adobe...

Quote - Don't have IE installed but I hacked a couple files so the library will run without it. Loads lightning fast. I don't know why Smith Micro doesn't do the same.

begs hints

i don't mind IE, i hate having to need Adobe bits.

Quote - > Quote - IE has nothing to do with the material room. It's the library that uses an IE component. And it doesn't use your whole browser or make you use it for your browser. It is (or was at the time) the only reliable way to use an HTML/HTTP UI to host the library component.

 It's about a library component that should be part of the operating system or the .net library, but instead is packaged as part of IE. In case you must know why - it was done to so that a single implementation of the library component would work on every platform and every SM graphics product.

Thanks for the why Bill. I like MS for some things, Windows (before 8), Visual Studio, Big, Hotmail, etc. but IE (like the xbox) isn't one of them.

 

Now I have to yell at CS for telling me to install something I needed (library worked fine) but had no relation to the problem I had.

maybe CS uses a random answer generator to discourage more cs inquiries? 

No, I'm guessing he's just being lazy.  He should have known that what he suggested wouldn't fix my problem as it was unrelated but stopped short.  This is why people hate dealing with customer service.

Thanks for the tip, WandW. I have like 18 categorized Runtimes and the library would take forever with 'pending transactions'. Your advice fixed that sluggishness.

Ps. Winterclaw, XBox is the the only MS product I use and enjoy thoroughly. I bought a refurbished model for a pittance about 4 years ago and it hasn't given me a single problem in all of that time. While I'm a diehard and Mac-centric pc user, I have nothing but love for MS's XBox, and this from a former Sony only gamer. Just an aside... no use for a gaming platform back and forth (if I had extraneous disposable income for gaming I'm certain I would own a PS3 also).

Quote - Don't have IE installed but I hacked a couple files so the library will run without it. Loads lightning fast. I don't know why Smith Micro doesn't do the same.

@Ajaxx, would you care to share your method. I'm sure many would be grateful for a way to banish IE.

@MistyLaraPrincess,

Quote - i don't mind IE, i hate having to need Adobe bits.

I loath and detest Flash and the Flash player, and would not let it anywhere near my machine if I did not need it to run Poser.

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Quote - @Winterclaw: I'm running Poser9 with Ubuntu linux and the only thing that isn't working without IE installed is the library component.

I can run Poser Pro 2010 in openSUSE using Wine 1.5-22; it uses Wine-Gecko.  Did you install the Flash plugin for FF into Wine?  Download the executable from Adobe...

Yeah sure I can run Poser's own library .swf file even on my linux native Chromium; it's just not running inside Poser. But as said ... I don't need it anyway. Just a minor blemish in an otherwise "works right out of the box in linux" experience.

OT...Isn't the Flash plug-in an integral part of internet functionality?

The only reason I ask this is I use old hardware that will only operate with an 'outdated by Apple' OS (OSX PPC) and consequently will only allow a flash plug-in that is outmoded. Certain features of internet navigation are somewhat wonky for me on this machine. I suppose this would be more of a concern if I didn't consider my computer a perfectly functioning art making tool (my opinion) rather than a chat or visual entertainment or (yuck) Facebook machine.

BTW, the only use I've ever found for IE was the ability to register at Poser Club Japan.

Quote - Yeah sure I can run Poser's own library .swf file even on my linux native Chromium; it's just not running inside Poser. But as said ... I don't need it anyway. Just a minor blemish in an otherwise "works right out of the box in linux" experience.

The Poser Pro 2010 Library pane works for me with the latest Wine builds.   I just installed 1.5.23 this morning...

Pretty much all the browsers are as bad as each other these days, imho.

Wannabe, pseudo-operating system bloatware, the lot of them.

I just use wget to download the page source, then try and imagine what it would look like, rendered in a browser, whilst looking at that in a text editor.

He he ;)

...er you know I'm (more or less) kidding about this, right?

Quote - Don't have IE installed but I hacked a couple files so the library will run without it. Loads lightning fast. I don't know why Smith Micro doesn't do the same.

I guess I can imagine a few reasons why they wouldn't want to formally distribute something similar...

...but, cool :)

Quote - Pretty much all the browsers are as bad as each other these days, imho.

Wannabe, pseudo-operating system bloatware, the lot of them.

I just use wget to download the page source, then try and imagine what it would look like, rendered in a browser, whilst looking at that in a text editor.

He he ;)

...er you know I'm (more or less) kidding about this, right?

Better safe than sorry.

Lynx is still around if you want to get around the bloat... 

http://lynx.isc.org/

... or you could just say "Fuck the Internet" and discover what a novelty and boon to productivity and self reliant problem solving turning off the 'TV' actually is.

Quote -
The Poser Pro 2010 Library pane works for me with the latest Wine builds.   I just installed 1.5.23 this morning...

Interesting. Updated everything even remotely related to their latest versions and whaddyaknow ... library pane works as well. Shaderworks' LM2.5 does so much more for me, but it's good to see this one missing piece of the puzzle finally working as well.

Quote - I just use wget to download the page source, then try and imagine what it would look like, rendered in a browser, whilst looking at that in a text editor.

I load the page on someone else's computer and then use a pencil to write it all down on paper.  If there's a lot of pictures I use my crayons.  That way my computer stays bloat-free.

I'll get my coat.....

Quote - > Quote - I just use wget to download the page source, then try and imagine what it would look like, rendered in a browser, whilst looking at that in a text editor.

I load the page on someone else's computer and then use a pencil to write it all down on paper.  If there's a lot of pictures I use my crayons.  That way my computer stays bloat-free.

I'll get my coat.....

Couldn't you use a mobile phone to take a picture of the screen and save on the crayons?

I'm too busy making cavern wall pictograms out of carbonized caribou bones to know what you people are blathering on about.

Primorge: It is good to have priorities! I live in an area where it is really hard to find quality caribou bones.Although I am 20-30 miles from Apple HQ.

Apple excels at "obsoleting" as a tool to encourage new computer purchases.Happened with my G3- no OSX beyond 10.2 if it did not have a built in USB board. Found a way around that and went up to 10.4 (worked perfectly well after running a script that fooled the installer) before I bought a G5 Power Mac-which they obsoleted. Then I bought a used Intel Mac (quad Xeon) Pro-and now they will NOT sell 10.8 (download only)-although it evidently works beautifully.

Should I find the funds to buy a 2013 Mac-I have no doubt that in 3 years they will NOT sell me a copy of OS11.5-even though it will likely work fine- and PoserPro2016 will require OSX 11.5

Quote - I'm too busy making cavern wall pictograms out of carbonized caribou bones to know what you people are blathering on about.

Quote - It wasn't an improvement to use IE - you're being rather ridiculous by saying that.

It was a compromise, so that they could get two OS implementations and two applications (Poser and Anime Studio) = 4 implementations, for the price of 1.

Nobody ever said this was the best library possible. Stop whining.

And that's the whole point.... we're not getting the best with poser, because a company decided to go cheap, instead giving their customers the best they can have. That has been the whole story with Poser since version 7...... we're not getting the best we could get. By now Poser could have been so much more, but corporate decision are keeping the application back..... while at the same time another company overtakes poser wuth their free application and a lot of features are much better implemented then they are in Poser. Even your own word confirm that it wasn't an improvement to use IE.

By the way... I whine whenever I like to do so as long as I know that I'm not getting the best I could get and have to live with badly implemented poorer choices.

to everyone else.

bottom line. these days, almost every program is buiult using modules of others. unless a company wants to code their product from scratch, they'll reach for a library of premade modules to enable them to get the job done. eg : OpenGl for graphics or DirectX. Flash Modules. Air. NET. the list goes on.

it's life. so lets just get on with it and worry about more important stuff.

This has gone far enough.

The Poser-IE connection has been debated before.

BB has explained why things are as they are.

Any further discussion is best directed to Smith Micro. Only they can make a change. This is just flame-wood here in the forum.

Locking thread.