As long as we're all talking about it anyway, why not list the problems you've found with the Forum or what you don't like about it. And Mods, before you consider moving the thread to the Community Forum where you probably think it should be, consider that until one of the mods mentioned it, I didn't even know there WAS a Community Forum that addressed issues  like this. You can't post it there if you didn't know it was there, and I'm willing to bet most people don't.

Why not make this thread a sticky, and start a similar sticky in other forums so people will see it and let you know their concerns. Moving it to the Community Forum is just hiding it where no one knows where it is.

Bwahahahahahahaha, eclark.  This one is going to get moved, too.

And, I'm just going to beat Admin with thier standard response to every issue posted about the forums all these months.  "I have noted your concern and I will send it over to our programmer."

End of conversation.  That's all you/me/everybody else is ever going to get.

You're becoming a cynic, Traci. But if it happens, oh well, at least I tried to help.

1. Fire whomever is in currently charge of the website design, and hire a professional. The current designer is obviously NOT up to the task, nor do they seem to have any professional experience whatsoever. If this was some Joe Blow miscellaneous Poser fansite, this design would be acceptable. However, this is a professional, commercial website that generates plenty of money to afford a better web designer.

After following step 1, steps 2-99 will almost certainly be taken care of by said professional.

You're becoming a cynic, Traci. But if it happens, oh well, at least I tried to help.

You're right, I am.  Some of us have tried for months to address the issues.  We have been ignored and/or invited to leave. Some are taking them up on the invitation to leave.

I am not on here as much as I'd like to be. I am without internet access for long stretches of time. But it seems to me that every time I log in, something has changed. I would like to see the forum look like it did in 2010, when I could make sense of it. 

I'd like to see the 'jump to forum' option brought back so that I can get to the other forums I check on without jumping through hoops to do it. 

@rokket: forum jump is still there.

@rokket: forum jump is still there.

Sounds like the forum options need to be labeled clearer then. We're not psychics.

As long as we're all talking about it anyway, why not list the problems you've found with the Forum or what you don't like about it. And Mods, before you consider moving the thread to the Community Forum where you probably think it should be, consider that until one of the mods mentioned it, I didn't even know there WAS a Community Forum that addressed issues  like this. You can't post it there if you didn't know it was there, and I'm willing to bet most people don't.

Why not make this thread a sticky, and start a similar sticky in other forums so people will see it and let you know their concerns. Moving it to the Community Forum is just hiding it where no one knows where it is.

You are right about the Community Forum, I had never been there and it was only following one the moved threads that I found out the issue with Credit Card information that was mentioned in that forum. As to moving the post, well I can sort of understand why but the issue was mainly people who were regular contributors to the Poser Forum that were leaving.  From that point of view there is an argument for leaving it in the Poser forum.

I have already listed many of the problems that impact my use of the forum so I won't go over the same ground, but my own view is it may be too late anyway.  Those that have left are unlikely to return, although I guess those who have moved to lurk mode might.  What seems to have been forgotten here is that a lot of the people who use the forum are fairly switched on people and they can tell the difference between a well though out, profession web site and one that is not.  The first attempts here with poor choice of colours and spaces littered everywhere did not imply that the designer was up to the task, which I suspect, is another reason why there is such a negative feeling about anything improving.  You can build a list of problems but words like silk, purses, sows and ears spring to mind.

If in some universe a much improved and usable forum does emerge you still then have the problem of how it is used.  While a few people are happy to continue to discuss the Poser/Daz and V4/Genesis at infinitum I suspect the majority of forum readers are bored stiff with the same old arguments that have been going for four years now.  I am not against the discussion of Genesis or anything that is new or will benefit those that use the concept but there were times here when there were half a dozen threads here were just clones of the same old argument and no threads that were of interest to me, end result I stopped coming because even lurk mode was a waste of time.

Hello folks.  I've been reading these posts ... and threads and I've relayed information shared in chat as well.  Moderators and Coordinators alike are working on the situation.  Having been a part of this community for over 15 years now one thing I can tell you ... it's always fluid.  bb has not left ... and those who have most likely will return once things are ironed out better.  We are working on programs and projects that hopefully will gain some excitement here.  (one VERY soon in fact).  As long as this thread is here ... please feel free to use it and we will read it and relay to the administrators. 

Sincerely

Boni

1. Fire the current webmaster, He has no CLUE what he's doing.
2. Restore the forum to december 2012 layout.
3. Done.

Who needs 17 links to a marketplace? On the front page?

Test:
open This page on a 1920x1080 monitor, that is the current default for a monitor, right? (1600x900 for most laptops.)
What do you see?

The top 25% is UNUSED BLANK white grey.
The bottom 75% is UNUSED dark grey-brown.

Now what percentage is actually used?

And when it is used? It is used vertically.

So, that is why I am typing vertically too.

HEY!!!! How many lines and images say; *Welcome to the Poser Forum.

HEy? I know that , I clicked to get here remember?

Ergonomics? What is that??? Ever heard of it?

1. Fire the webmaster
2. Restore december 2012 layout, or better yet, the december 2010 layout.

Copy paste, broken; active links broken, posts dissapearing, search not working,

I write posts, they "dissapear".

No problems, please do not respond. Other forums are recieving us with open arms.

S L O W.

The forum has become the sowest to respond, the slowest to refresh, the hardest to load.

It takes sometimes minutes to react.

No clue what garbage is running in the background but => PULL THE PLUG.

Boni, something simple to fix. I want my emoticons back.

I would like the years of Bagginsbill's materials file attachments fixed so that:

1. We can search for them

2. We can get new materials instructions and in a format that is HELPFUL

Years of help from BB and Snarlygribbly have been destroyed.  Show some respect for the folks like BB and Snarly who have spent years helping your customers.

Boni, something simple to fix. I want my emoticons back.

to be honest, emoticons should be low on the list, I would rather have usability over the ability to pull my tongue out at someone. While, for me at least; search does seem to have improved somewhat (not perfect but hey what is?) I agree with Glitter that the attachments should be renamed back to something legible instead of something nondescript like 496845843985_3223.jpg.

As far as the webmaster, I assume this is his/her first website so lets cut him/her some slack, I am sure 'rosity can afford to spend a few pennies to educate them in building a usable website.

On a related note, how about starting with fixing the ebots? It is more than a little redundant getting involved in any kind of discussion when you don't even get notified that somebody replied.

On a related note, how about starting with fixing the ebots? It is more than a little redundant getting involved in any kind of discussion when you don't even get notified that somebody replied.

Actually, I just thought it was turned off, which frankly, I love. In addition to rendo, I also post at RDNA, Hivewire and sometimes even at DAZ. I don't need or want a lot of ebot responses cluttering up my mail box.

Here's something curious. I'm at work and using IE on Windows 7 Enterprise, and the little squares are all there, but the icons for each are missing. Fortunately, I can mouse over each square to find out it's function. Is this happening to anyone else or is this something that's just on my work computers?

Here's something curious. I'm at work and using IE on Windows 7 Enterprise, and the little squares are all there, but the icons for each are missing. Fortunately, I can mouse over each square to find out it's function. Is this happening to anyone else or is this something that's just on my work computers?

If there is something blocking javascript (I don't ever use IE, so not sure) then the icons may not show up.

Ebots? Are ramdom now.
Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
Half the time I do not get them.

Glitterati3D also has a good point.
Years of work by BB and Snarly and Les, have been washed down the drain.
Instead of making a bundle, and put all the info in the tutorial s ection somewhere. No, gone.
You need a "master degree" to find parts and pieces back.

Did I note it is S L O W ???

Hell, sometimes I can not even find my own stuff back. So? Mostly I stopped posting. (like many others)

This site was very-very active, right up till about december 2010.
From then on it went backwards and downwards.

I just noticed something else rather curious, oddly enough, in the Communtiy Center Forum. Let's just say that one of the threads had gotten a little "heated", which was rather surreal considering  a couple of the participants had at least one other, on ignore, but they were still arguing with him. Anyway, the Store Staff announced that the thread had become unproductive and they were locking the thread.

Question: how do you know when the thread is locked? I remember that there used to be little lock symbols beside the threads if it was locked, and even a quick explanation that the thread was locked. I don't know if its because I'm on IE, or at work, or what, but  I saw nothing that let me know the thread was, in fact, locked.

I just noticed something else rather curious, oddly enough, in the Communtiy Center Forum. Let's just say that one of the threads had gotten a little "heated", which was rather surreal considering  a couple of the participants had at least one other, on ignore, but they were still arguing with him. Anyway, the Store Staff announced that the thread had become unproductive and they were locking the thread.

Question: how do you know when the thread is locked? I remember that there used to be little lock symbols beside the threads if it was locked, and even a quick explanation that the thread was locked. I don't know if its because I'm on IE, or at work, or what, but  I saw nothing that let me know the thread was, in fact, locked.

there is no comment box.

I would like the years of Bagginsbill's materials file attachments fixed so that:

1. We can search for them

2. We can get new materials instructions and in a format that is HELPFUL

Years of help from BB and Snarlygribbly have been destroyed.  Show some respect for the folks like BB and Snarly who have spent years helping your customers.

I agree 100%. I have learnt so much here in the forum both from BB and Snarly and all the others that have either helped me directly, or indirectly in the sense that they were helping someone else and I found their response to be valuable.  It is almost criminal that all that information should be lost to Poser users.  What is more, if the same helpful people start visiting another forum my guess is the slow trickle away from here will become a stampede.

I posted an image in a forum thread, the image file was less than 400kB when I uploaded it. As it appears on the forum it is over a megabyte. This happened to 2 different images. Is it being re-saved at a lower compression of something? If so, what's the point, it's a jpg, making a bigger file out of it won't improve it.

I just noticed something else rather curious, oddly enough, in the Communtiy Center Forum. Let's just say that one of the threads had gotten a little "heated", which was rather surreal considering  a couple of the participants had at least one other, on ignore, but they were still arguing with him. Anyway, the Store Staff announced that the thread had become unproductive and they were locking the thread.

Question: how do you know when the thread is locked? I remember that there used to be little lock symbols beside the threads if it was locked, and even a quick explanation that the thread was locked. I don't know if its because I'm on IE, or at work, or what, but  I saw nothing that let me know the thread was, in fact, locked.

  

Actually I do see a locked symbol against that thread but as I have said, the site works very differently in different browsers. I like the idea that a thread can be locked because it was unproductive all we need to do now is to lock the ones where it is both unproductive and has all been said before.  There will need to be a exclusion though for certain threads like I cannot install V4/M4, of the morphs don't work, along with all the other ones we see almost every month.  In that case it has been said before but it is new to the OP, not something that can be applied to something that happened four years ago and cannot be changed.

And, I'm just going to beat Admin with thier standard response to every issue posted about the forums all these months.  "I have noted your concern and I will send it over to our programmer."

End of conversation.  That's all you/me/everybody else is ever going to get.

The pattern here seems to be: When the problems first appear people complain about them. A lot.

Management responds with "Be patient everyone, it's a work in progress, all these issues will be addressed. You'll see, it'll be nice when it's finished".

So we bite our tongues and wait... And wait.... And wait... And wait.

And then after a while management says "Everyone loves the new changes, there have been no complaints for ages. Job done."

Well, as forum traffic certainly will show; Some of us are beyond waiting.

When I'm typing in any other text editor or text-input window, when my cursor gets to the bottom line of the window, the text automatically scrolls up a line at a time to keep my cursor in view so I can, you know, SEE what I'm typing. This forum software allows my input to disappear below the bottom edge of the window, requiring me to scroll manually to keep my current typing line in view. Seriously??

The Forum Preferences allow me to choose how many Threads per Page and how many Messages per Thread will display, but apparently the only 'choice' which works is the default values of 30 and 30. Any other values breaks the page numbering on the forum front page (threads show as having 5 pages when they actually have 15, and so on). I fought with this page number issue since the 'upgrade' broke it, and it was only by deleting both values and saving the change that I figured out what the defaults were.

If the software can't handle other values, they shouldn't be offered as choices.

I want to thank everyone for adding useful information here and keeping the thread civil.  That will help make it the most productive.  This is all valuable in-put.

Boni

I miss being able to attach poser files as .txt to posts, e.g. .obj.txt, .pp2.txt, etc. I perhaps understand why this was eliminated but still...

Bb was right about the search, It works better through the advanced option, older than 1 days.

You know, Boni, it does bother me just a bit that you, or any of the mods, for that matter, has to actually tell the programmer what the problems are. Shouldn't they already know?

You know, Boni, it does bother me just a bit that you, or any of the mods, for that matter, has to actually tell the programmer what the problems are. Shouldn't they already know?

They DO know, eclark.  That's the problem. They would have to CARE for it to be different.

Just one example........Bagginsbill posted his first error report on these issues October 29, 2014.

They KNOW.

You know, Boni, it does bother me just a bit that you, or any of the mods, for that matter, has to actually tell the programmer what the problems are. Shouldn't they already know?

In this case, as Glitter pointed out, they most likely already know after this long of a time with numerous threads on the subject. In any other instance, for clarification, not all bugs/issues are known immediately and don't crop up until someone does something specific that causes something to break. Hence bug reports. Sites can also go through a testing process, similar to alpha/beta testing for an app, but for a site that has unnecessarily used 2 different layouts depending on what page you're on, I'm not holding my breath on any sort of QA.

I would like the years of Bagginsbill's materials file attachments fixed so that:

1. We can search for them

2. We can get new materials instructions and in a format that is HELPFUL

Years of help from BB and Snarlygribbly have been destroyed.  Show some respect for the folks like BB and Snarly who have spent years helping your customers.

I agree. I spent the last week 2 hours to find a post from BB. Guess what. Nothing. All the precious tutorials, Matfiles, etc..gone. 

I could pull out my hair that I don't save every single post from BB and Snarly. Well most I save.But a lot is still missing.

Just a note, for everybody using firefox and a 1900 screen, just use ctrl + , so you can zoom the site to fit your screen.

Question: how do you know when the thread is locked? I remember that there used to be little lock symbols beside the threads if it was locked, and even a quick explanation that the thread was locked. I don't know if its because I'm on IE, or at work, or what, but  I saw nothing that let me know the thread was, in fact, locked.

In the thread list, there is still a padlock on locked threads (or at least there is when I look - Firefox 36.0.4 Windows 7 etc.) That could be down to IE I suppose - I don't use it myself

Question: how do you know when the thread is locked? I remember that there used to be little lock symbols beside the threads if it was locked, and even a quick explanation that the thread was locked. I don't know if its because I'm on IE, or at work, or what, but  I saw nothing that let me know the thread was, in fact, locked.

In the thread list, there is still a padlock on locked threads (or at least there is when I look - Firefox 36.0.4 Windows 7 etc.) That could be down to IE I suppose - I don't use it myself

Frank, none of the icons show in my version of Firefox - same version as yours. I'm quite certain it's from browser addon products I use, but I most certainly do not intend to change my browser settings just for RO.  Especially, given the recent Man In The Middle attack they have experienced.

I care much more about browser security than itty bitty icons on a website.

Some things I cannot answer directly.  But as vague as it sounds and I apologize for that, I DO hear your frustration and as I said it is something I share.  I truly believe that letting these things be known on this public forum is a good thing.  Sometimes people with good intentions can't honestly see the forest for the trees and they need to be pointed out.  I could be naive, most likely, but I will give those in the know the benefit of a doubt on some things.  And perhaps, as I haven't built a decent web-page since Claris Home Page and Netscape ... things are more complicated than we are aware of.  Please no attacks.  I'm just adding my view and attempting to be a diplomat in the process. 

Some things I cannot answer directly.  But as vague as it sounds and I apologize for that, I DO hear your frustration and as I said it is something I share.  I truly believe that letting these things be known on this public forum is a good thing.  Sometimes people with good intentions can't honestly see the forest for the trees and they need to be pointed out.  I could be naive, most likely, but I will give those in the know the benefit of a doubt on some things.  And perhaps, as I haven't built a decent web-page since Claris Home Page and Netscape ... things are more complicated than we are aware of.  Please no attacks.  I'm just adding my view and attempting to be a diplomat in the process. 

If something I said sounded like an attack, it certainly wasn't meant that way. It's was simply meant as an explanation that even the same browser can behave differently on different setups.

And, as I said, for me browser security is my highest priority.  If that comes at the cost of easier site navigation, that's a decision I've made.

please add "ignore thread" button so we can block OT threads.

Some things I cannot answer directly.  But as vague as it sounds and I apologize for that, I DO hear your frustration and as I said it is something I share.  I truly believe that letting these things be known on this public forum is a good thing.  Sometimes people with good intentions can't honestly see the forest for the trees and they need to be pointed out.  I could be naive, most likely, but I will give those in the know the benefit of a doubt on some things.  And perhaps, as I haven't built a decent web-page since Claris Home Page and Netscape ... things are more complicated than we are aware of.  Please no attacks.  I'm just adding my view and attempting to be a diplomat in the process. 

Wow, Claris Home Page and Netscape, huh? That's going back a few years.

Question: how do you know when the thread is locked? I remember that there used to be little lock symbols beside the threads if it was locked, and even a quick explanation that the thread was locked. I don't know if its because I'm on IE, or at work, or what, but  I saw nothing that let me know the thread was, in fact, locked.

In the thread list, there is still a padlock on locked threads (or at least there is when I look - Firefox 36.0.4 Windows 7 etc.) That could be down to IE I suppose - I don't use it myself

Frank, none of the icons show in my version of Firefox - same version as yours. I'm quite certain it's from browser addon products I use, but I most certainly do not intend to change my browser settings just for RO.  Especially, given the recent Man In The Middle attack they have experienced.

I care much more about browser security than itty bitty icons on a website.

I have Adblock and Noscript and that's it - could well be a firefox add-in though, there's a lot of them :)

You weren't attacking by any means ... just a little pro-active as this is an emotional issue for some folks. :)  And yes ... having worked at Fry's I may be a head shy. ;) but I also had the chance to test a lot of software to understand what I was selling.  I taught myself most of what I know. 

I just started a new thread - hoping to be useful. The first post has a mistake in it - a link came in white on white. I did not ask for this. It was probably the result of an image insert I had just done and then canceled. (I clicked the wrong button, inserting an image instead of a link)

And it turns out that the forum doesn't let you edit a first post. Only replies can be edited.

So - three problems:

1. BRING BACK THE PREVIEW FOR F***'s SAKE. If you're going to insert random garbage in my posts, at least let me check on it before I push the button.

2. We used to be able to just add a clickable link by pasting - now I have to use a dialog which leads to errors and wasted time.

3. I should be able to edit the thread's first post like any other post. I should be able to correct a mistake that you refuse to show me until I already commit to it.

I feel stupid for having tried to just do what I want to do and talk about Poser.

I have now wasted another 20 minutes dealing with the forum software.

Back to lurk mode for me. Damn it.

People are talking to me in my thread. I just posted two replies. Both have disappeared.

Will they come later? Or will they stay gone?

Who the fuck knows. I'm gone again.

And my last post here didn't show up either. Fun fucking times, people. Fun fucking times.

Question: how do you know when the thread is locked? I remember that there used to be little lock symbols beside the threads if it was locked, and even a quick explanation that the thread was locked. I don't know if its because I'm on IE, or at work, or what, but  I saw nothing that let me know the thread was, in fact, locked.

In the thread list, there is still a padlock on locked threads (or at least there is when I look - Firefox 36.0.4 Windows 7 etc.) That could be down to IE I suppose - I don't use it myself

Frank, none of the icons show in my version of Firefox - same version as yours. I'm quite certain it's from browser addon products I use, but I most certainly do not intend to change my browser settings just for RO.  Especially, given the recent Man In The Middle attack they have experienced.

I care much more about browser security than itty bitty icons on a website.

I have Adblock and Noscript and that's it - could well be a firefox add-in though, there's a lot of them :)

It's the NoFlash addon causing the issues with the icons.  Probably the same for IE - Flash addon not enabled. Again, for me, turning it on means compromising my browser security and I have no intention of doing so.  But, that's my choice.

I've been visiting a lot of message boards and forums, starting somewhere around 1999... Yet, I haven't encountered any forum software yet that was so limited, buggy, and/or messed up like this one. --- --- Why not have a look at what other, professional, web sites use as their forum software, and then choose the one most successful? --- --- This current software is obviously utter crap, or utterly bad handled; I suppose the first. --- --- So instead of trudging along miserably, and alienating even more users, why not make a clean cut: dump the current software, and introduce something really useful, which will make the users happy again? --- --- I won't propagate any particular forum software here, because it could be mistaken as "advertising". But we all do know which forums are liked because of the software they use... Why trying to make a difference just because of a different appearance (a.k.a. "Corporate Identity" - even if this implies "'R'osity = Unuseable forum!") --- --- My voice (as a newb) surely doesn't play any role compared to the posts of BB, Snarly, etc. - but heck - if even THEY are frustrated, with all of their expierience, then I'd come to the conclusion that something is really really wrong here. ------ So, as a newb, I would consider to move on to a different forum. --- --- --- --- (Pardon the --- --- , but it's my only way left to structure my posts, since this forum won't accept neither paragraphs nor blank lines (FireFox on an XP64Pro machine)