Oh gosh..this is eating me. This thread might get hot.

I was told today by two people, Poser is for Perverts and I was named a pervert. After seeing that, I began to wonder if I am when I am not or do not prefer to be, due to the last sexy image I posted in the gallery and what I see in the gallery, and Poser is all about V3, and other female characters, than the guy characters makes me wonder. I am married, have a child, and a whole lot more to worry about. I dunno, in my creation, renders, I am out for realism, lighting, and hopefully get to make a little video using V3. Thinking character creation in 3D, can help change the way hollywood thinks for 3D characters to a point. I am worried about touching V3 or any female characters in Poser, that if I do bring her out to make an image, this thought "Pervert", will always hit the mind.

sod what everyone else thinks..do what you enjoy

Poser is for perverts????
Oh my!  I'm a 61 year old pervert....sob.

I do images with both male and female models, a lot are nude (I really, really don't own a lot of clothes for them) and as I'm a texture creator, that is also the main reason.
I do not do hot, passionate poses with them , I leave that to others more skilled in posing. :)

I do not think I am a pervert nor do I think any of the other Poser users are perverts.

We just like to express our art in this particular medium.

I don't need Poser  to make me a pervert.

What ??..where's the NVIATWAS renders ??  I  WANT my nviatwas renders !!!!!!!! :)

-Shrug-

Art is for perverts.

Conme on, take a look at it. naked people everywhere - even in cave painntings.

Heck, life is for perverts...

this reminds me of a scene from "Another Fine Myth" when Skeeve finds out that Aahz is from the dimenson of Perv. Skeeve: "Does that make you a Pervert?" Aahz: "No, that makes me a Pervect!" you define you. Life is like juggling three rabid badgers.... if you don't get torn up in the process, it's a beautiful thing.

You know, last I seen, under the clothes of every human being is ..... GASP NAKEDNESS! 

If you have guilt over creating images using the human body then do animal or scenery then.  I certainly don't have an issue.  It's society and the church that teach us from day one to feel shame about our bodies and to look at another.  Oh and last I remember... we are sexual beings.  I would rather have my mate making nude pictures of fantasies he would like to have than going out on me, behind my back.   Then... well then I would have to kill him and that's just so messy you know! 

In all seriousness, do what you love and screw what everyone else thinks.  As long as it's not hurting anyone then tell 'em to go take a dive off a short pier into the shallow end!

Richard ;-)~

Just yesterday I deleted all my gallery pics with nudity as I feel that I've been hipcritical in my religous faith...  No, I'm not a zealot and I'm not going to stop perusing the gallery and Poser-ing.  I just feel that I don't need to post nude images for now...  I may change my mind (I've done this before last year) and may post nude images again...  I'm a wobbler I guess!!  I think the human body is great for art and the fact that my 7 year old is very interested in Poser and Anime Studio, she's been hanging out here on 'rosity and I would be embarrassed if she came across any of my nude gallery pics...  I don't think I'm a perv but I don't want to give any negative impressions to my already impressionable kid!  That's my two cents!!

Gerard

What's wrong with teaching children that the body is beautiful??  You are embarrased by your own minds images brought to life?  I do some really NAKED images but I would never hesitate to show a friend or a family member if they wanted to see and if they asked questions... well you answer them as best you can.  I don't think she will get the impression that walking around in the nude is the way to go, it's just not done but expressing one's desires or bringing an image out of the mind and on to the canvas (of sorts) is one of the greatest gifts we have.  Imagine if we didn't have this medium, we would be back to erasing holes in paper to get the proportions right!!

Poser is for perverts? That's ridiculous!! Whenever I hear garbage like that I always point to the church....ummm sixteen or sixteenth chapel or whatever its called (don't feel like looking it up sorry) but the one with the paintings on the ceiling, little naked babies (cherubs) ext all the famous art just about is nudes.

Are some poser users pervs......probably lol but not all of us, even if we do make the odd "naughty" picture.....that's my two cents anyway lol

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It isn't?    Well sheesh!  Who knew!   I've been a nudist ever since I was old enough to figure out how to get that icky diaper off that my Mom used to put on me as a baby!  I love being nude and feel it's the most natural thing in the world considering it's how we enter into this world.  If I had my way I'd never wear clothing,  LOL

If people want to think of me as a pervert because I don't find anything wrong with nudity, fine. At least I'm a comfortable pervert,  LOL

Attached Link: http://mv.vatican.va/3_EN/pages/x-Pano/CSN/Visit_CSN_Main.html

The Sistine Chapel, one of the greatest works of art ever done.

Thanks..I feel confortable now that I am not alone and do it for a hobby and not get off on my creations. I have my limits when using poser. I enjoy the civil responses. Thanks..

Quote - Just yesterday I deleted all my gallery pics with nudity as I feel that I've been hipcritical in my religous faith...

Enlgish political scholar Thomas Hobbes in Leviathon, written in the 1500s to explain why human beings were allowed to have government in the absense of the rule by the grace of the divine once known under Abraham to David, noted that original sin was not the eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge, but wearing clothing.

His argument?

Eating the fruit was not wrong becuase humanity had not yet learned the difference between right and wrong - they had no knowledge upon which to know that disobeying the divine was wrong. After eating the fruit however they covered their bodies in shame - yet they were made in the image of the divine, and so they were therefore shameful of the divine - and that is a sin.

It's a pretty good argument when you think about it. To be shameful of nakedness is to say the divine is something to be ashamed of. If that isn't a sin... there isn't much that could be.

.need to uncheck
too many ebots. :)

Hmmm... I never make renders with nakedness in them. I guess that makes me a WEIRD PERVERT then. But on the other hand ... humans are social creatures and like to mingle with like-minded humans. So that would be make me part of a "Tribe of Perverts". Now the question remains, who is the "Chief of Perverts" in this tribe? "The Perv-President"? "Alpha-pervert" in this flock of perverts? :D

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Art is for perverts.

Conme on, take a look at it. naked people everywhere - even in cave painntings.

Heck, life is for perverts...

Ha Ha , very true , take a walk down the street :)

Rod

Quote - Oh gosh..this is eating me. This thread might get hot.

I was told today by two people, Poser is for Perverts and I was named a pervert. After seeing that, I began to wonder if I am when I am not or do not prefer to be, due to the last sexy image I posted in the gallery and what I see in the gallery, and Poser is all about V3, and other female characters, than the guy characters makes me wonder. I am married, have a child, and a whole lot more to worry about. I dunno, in my creation, renders, I am out for realism, lighting, and hopefully get to make a little video using V3. Thinking character creation in 3D, can help change the way hollywood thinks for 3D characters to a point. I am worried about touching V3 or any female characters in Poser, that if I do bring her out to make an image, this thought "Pervert", will always hit the mind.

Tell your "pervert" detractors to fornicate off, if Poser was really for "perverts" it would have been made illegal long ago.

There's a reason artists appreciate the beauty of human anatomy. God doesn't make no junk.

"Thanks..I feel confortable now that I am not alone and do it for a hobby and not get off on my creations."

I do get off on my creations. It's passion that creates the art.

I can sit down with my guitar for hours and then out pops a new riff. What a f'n rush. I can get off just thinking about that rush. Practice harder waiting for that rush again. Mind, I get such a rush just playing. When an image comes out the way I had imagined, I get off on that too.

What is the point of doing any/all forms of art if you don't get off on it.

OK, getting off on my creations is not the same  as the PeeWee Heman version.

Foxseelady mentioned the Cistine Chapel earlier - as Acadia replied, one of the most indreible pieces of art in the world today. Interesting thing is, though, that when Michelangelo died, the Vatican got kind of huffy about all these naked people floating around on their ceilings, and they hired in another painter to put loincloths and drapes over all the 'naughty' bits. It's only been relatively recently that the chapel has (thankfully) been returned to it's original splendour.

Poser is not FOR perverts. Yes, some perverts USE Poser; but that doesn't mean that all Poser Users are perverts. Any more than saying 'somce catholic priests abuse altar boys' is the same as 'all catholic priests are pedohiles'.

jonthecelt

sorry just joining in to laugh at what Infinity said!!!HAHAHAHA!! there is a story in there somewhere!!

the "painter"  hired to cover the nudes of Michelangelo, was Raphael.

There have always been sniggering accusations about art, artists, and those who pose for them. Poser has the advantage, or disadvantage, that you don't have to persuade anyone to adopt a particular pose. It shares with photography the capacity to produce images without needing to acquire the sorts of skills which can be collectively called draughtsmanship. Both of these increase the snigger factor. Anyway, if anyone here is perverted, it's me. I know who Doug Winger is.

Quote - I don't need Poser  to make me a pervert.

MUAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA :biggrin:

Answering:

1.- I was a pervert before I found Poser

2.- Really I didn't find Poser, Poser found meh :woot:

3.- Taking in mind I draw porn pics for my three paysites...  :tt1: mumble, mumble... really I don't think Poser is for perverts... :rolleyes:

... BUT PERVERTS ENJOY A HELL WITH POSER :laugh: :lol:

• waves at  vince3 and casette*

At work and at home, lately, we've been having some interesting discussions re: nudity.  Mostly because the local theatre is showing The Full Monty, and many of the people in this county are REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEALLY conservative.  (I live in a red county :lol: )  As a matter of fact, when our newspaper showed a frame from the dress rehersal, where the lads were "covered" by newspapers.....people went off the frigging hook.  'You can't show our children nudity!!!"  was the warcry. 
When, in reality, you see MUCH more than that at the beach or swimming pool.  And sometimes the gym.  Do we hear the cries there?  No, because they'd either be embarrassed, laughed at, or, WOULDN'T NOTICE AT ALL.

What does this have to do with Poser?  Nothing.  Other than the unfortunate feeling that some people have that we should be ashamed of our bodies.  Not to get all "religious", but God created some true wonders when He created the human body.  It's mostly only noticed when a baby is born...with those precious little fingers, toes, the cute little nose, those perfect eyelashes....and we either take it for granted, or hide it for the rest of our lives.
You'll notice that it's not often that young children feel the need to be clothed....and, usually, if they do, it's because they're cold....or their told that it's "proper" to be clothed.  (And, even then, it's usually when their cold :lol: )

Every artist is different.  Create what YOU feel you need to.  Regardless of what program it is you use to get to the end result.  It could be argued that, because there are photographers that use their cameras to create porn, that every image I create with my camera is porn.  Or that, because there are erotic pencil artists, all pencil art is porn.

Now, see how silly those 2 statements look? 

So, no.  Using Poser does not make you a pervert.  The only thing that can make you a pervert is being a pervert. ;)

MS

Perversity is in the mind of the beholder

Sheila

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I prefer it in the bedroom, the lounge room, on a beach, or best of all in the woods, but sadly it is all too offten in the mind.:sad:

Looks like a job for Narnia dude. "Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." C. S. Lewis Or George Carlin. If someone with multiple personalities threatens to kill himself, is it considered a hostage situation? Why do they put Braille on the drive-through bank machines? If you try to fail, and succeed, which have you done?

Quote - "Thanks..I feel confortable now that I am not alone and do it for a hobby and not get off on my creations."

I do get off on my creations. It's passion that creates the art.

I can sit down with my guitar for hours and then out pops a new riff. What a f'n rush. I can get off just thinking about that rush. Practice harder waiting for that rush again. Mind, I get such a rush just playing. When an image comes out the way I had imagined, I get off on that too.

What is the point of doing any/all forms of art if you don't get off on it.

RIGHT ON!  Me too. 

They say that sex is like 90% in the head and the rest is physical so I think anyone that's against nakedness must have an awefully dirty mind or can not cope with the fact that their minds go there so everyone has to suffer and push down their own comfort with thoughts like that to appease those that want to control their own minds (and end up controlling others which never works out very well).  In the end they end up frustrated, dirty old men in the bookstores doing the hustlers or pinched, prune faced old bats that never smile and wear black and mourn their own sorry lives and all the missed out on!  Truly sad! 

Create, get off and be happy about it.  It means your HEALTHY!  Nakedness is natural and sexuality is part of the human experience.  Not to say that sexual thoughts should rule your mind... if so, well.... then your a sicko and should be put in a room by your self to masturbate your self into oblivion!!

here we goes again..;) If Poser was for Perverts (or Pervects..;), there'd be sites like renderotica, raunchy minds, and crazyxxx...oops..'nuff said..;)

I don't don't unclothedness, because I go here on my lunch break, and a single picture like that would get me a pink slip..;)

Don't blame the tools for the result, blame the toolmaker..;)

As I see it, it's another example of people mixing up nudity with porn.

Nudity isn't automatically porn, and porn doesn't necessaritly include nudity.

As for Poser being used to create BOTH porn and totally innocent artsy nudity, sure. It's the whole idea of Poser, you can make WHATEVER you want with it. If you like to make anime, you can get anime figures, or fluffy toon animals, or big-breasted women.

But what does that have to do with being a pervert?

As barrowlass said, perversion is in the eye of the beholder. Some religions require fornication to take place through a sheet with a strategically placed hole. To me, that's the top of perversion!

And yeah, I do nude people. I even make downright porn. If that makes me a pervert, then so be it.

Oh my, I am a pervert! :thumbupboth:

Perverts are good or bad?

I don't often respond to threads, however, this one I cannot resist!  Some of the greatest works of art that there are or will ever be are of nudes.  If using Poser to create images makes me a pervert, so be it!  I'll wear the title with pride!  Poser has given me many hours of joy and satisfaction knowing that even I, a newbie to 3D art can create something beautiful.

"Of all the strange 'crimes' that human beings have legislated out of nothing, 'blasphemy' is the most amazing--with 'obscenity' and 'indecent exposure' fighting it out for second and third place." "The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all history. The second most preposterous notion is that copulation is inherently sinful." "If the universe has any purpose more important than topping a woman you love and making a baby with her hearty help, I've never heard of it." "Have you noticed how much they look like orchids? Lovely!" "A zygote is a gamete's way of producing more gametes. This may be the purpose of the universe." "Sin lies only in hurting other people unnecessarily. All other 'sins' are invented nonsense. (Hurting yourself is not sinful--just stupid.)" --All from Time Enough for Love, Robert Heinlein By definition, 'perversion' is intentional deviation from the natural. Since the natural state of any mammal is to be unclothed except by hair, as well as to become aroused by the sight of that mammal's preferred gender and species with which to copulate (procretively or not--homosexuality is not a deviation--it's a natural and necessary evolved trait that protects against overpopulation and has been observed in plenty of other animals than humans--whereas pure heterosexuality is somewhat more rare in many mammals and might be seen as a deviation), it should be pointed out that unnecessary clothing, as well as sexual repression, are both, in fact, 'perversions' whereas nudity and arusal are the natural versions. I'm a pervert because I like girls with shaved legs (unnatural!) and unnecessary clothing (Especially PVC boots with strappy bits and corsets, a double-perversion).

Nothing wrong with going skyclad now and again Oh BTW happy mabon (fall equinox)!

Cheers,
Micheál

Poser is for perverts?

Well, yes it is. As is any program (or other media), that can produce picture/sounds/statues that someone considers a perversion.

Get a game console. Buy/Download or otherwise obtain all the violent games for it. Go around shooting up/bashing up/carving up all the baddies.... Would they consider that a perversion (or you a pervert)?

Without ever touching Poser, you could (although I don't recommend it) use any other 3D program to create an animation of a large aircraft crashing into a couple of tall buildings. Just because you own those 3D programs, does that make you a pervert? or an incipient terrorist?
Of course it doesn't.

Poser is a tool. The fact that some blinkered idiots equate Poser with perversion is their problem, not yours.

(rant over),

Cheers,
Diolma

Yup.  Pervert?  Moi?  Yes.  Think I was born this way.  But is Poser for perverts?  Eh...  Poser is not a requirement :D

Put your perversions into renders made with Poser and call them art..... what a lame excuse.

Poser is not for perverts, but most users seem to be into some kind of perversion..... unfortunally, since it has given Poser (and D/S also, even in it's short live) a bad name in the 3D world.

With most 3D applications you will see about 10% sensual images..... with Poser you only see 10% non sensual images. Even though Poser isn't for perverts they sure seem to be drawn a lot of them.

But that's no wonder it draws so many perverts, since most of the content offered for it just feeds these perversions.

But anyone can make what he/she likes, it's just so unfortunate that all of you choose Poser for your perversions.

The only 'bad name' I know of for Poser stems around a perception that it is 'clip art' work - which is true of a lot of renders. That one came up a lot on the Carrara boards and lists around when Daz bought Eovia.

Even that I would say is not a general perception, but something detractors to 3D claim, and modelers who resent the greater commercial viability of companies like Daz resent.

It also seems to be a frequent topic in the artzone chat. That chat room is a good place to go if you want to learn how much the modelers making the content sold here and at daz dislike the people buying their work. The way they speak of us is often very rude and insulting...

come on everybody get a grip on reality...next you'll be discussing if a pencil and paper are for perverts lmao.. most of us probably are perverts but i doubt poser has anything to do with it hehe.

billy

You know, there is always gonna be someone judgmental out there no matter what you do ! I say that if they are calling you a pervert, then your work must be affecting people in an emotional way ! Enough to call it art !!!! You must be doing something right lol

Putting loinclothes on Michelangelo's figures??  Why, that'd be like draping over the Statue of Justice's breasts! Sheesh....

Yes, the idea that we were a) Created in God's image, and b) Should be ashamed of that image, always baffled me.  The proponents of such nonsense somehow fail to see the contradiction.  One of life's mysteries, I guess. Oh, well.

G.

Quote - Putting loinclothes on Michelangelo's figures??  Why, that'd be like draping over the Statue of Justice's breasts! Sheesh....

Yes, the idea that we were a) Created in God's image, and b) Should be ashamed of that image, always baffled me.  The proponents of such nonsense somehow fail to see the contradiction.  One of life's mysteries, I guess. Oh, well.

G.

 

My problem with Poser-ing and perversion is that I've always done cheezy yet tasteful pinups with large breasted V3's etc.  I've always preferred well endowed women and I suppose I've let that (call it obsession, fascination etc) to filter in and dominate my Poser-ing...  Right now in my life I feel the use of the large breastedness is what's innappropriate in my Poser experience but I bet I'll start doing it again in the future...  I said it in my last reply in this thread that I'm a wobbler... C'est la vie!

G

Heh..meant to say the trouble is in the tool-user..;)

I made this up, but it seems so true

Goldsteins's Law - "The second form of information transmitted on any new media is always pornography"

how often have I been wrong?..;)
I remember in the early 80's, someone had made a pinup of Bridgette Bardot, topless on a  stool, done in *'s, #'s, !'s, and .'s.  This was on a minicomputer. People will use anything to make porn..;)

Quote - What ??..where's the NVIATWAS renders ??  I  WANT my nviatwas renders !!!!!!!! :)

I got plenty of them in my gallery, I did a whole advertising campaign using NVIATWAS just to show how versatile the genre could be if you wanted it to.

But yes, a lot of repressed religious types are Perverts also without ever having heard of Poser and trying to stamp out nudity. 2 famous examples of Cotton Mather and Frolo (From the Hunchback of Notre Dame) come to mind.

I'd agree not to accept anyone elses labels they try to put on you.