I made the mistake of buying Zygote/Daz3D NudeMuscleman(He has No MuscleMorphs or face morphs or for that matter no REAL morphs)Why does that NOT surprise me.Anyway,does anyone know where I can either Download for free or pay any morphs for him?I also need texures.I don't mind paying for them but for Petes Sake,Why doesn't Zygote/Daz3D Sell COMPLETE Models.I bought Michael as my first Purchase and did so under the promise Zygote made on a PUBLIC Website they would add MuscleMorphs to Michael.Yet they are now saying "they don't have the time".So,giving them the benefit of the doubt I bought NudeMuscleMan.And to my surprise(why I was fooled again I'll never know),there are NO MORPHS for Muscle Increase or decrease.Then what the hell was the point of SELLING a model that was CREATED for US Fans of MuscleFreaks?I am SO damn TIRED of Zygote/Daze3D making excuse after excuse of not selling COMPLETE Products.First I am told Michael was NOT sold as a MuscleType,then they PROMISE to add the MuscleMorphs(They have NOT),so then Zygote/Daz3D "suggests" I buy NudeMuscleMan for my Creative Needs.I buy him,and he has NO Morphs for his BODY!I mean the P4 dude has Superhero,HeroChest,etc.To create a Model CALLED NudeMuscleMan and NOT have ANY of these type morphs is not only MISLEADING it is lazy,careless,and just plain WRONG@!Also,what is it with Zygote/Daz3D and mens Genitals?We DO have a PENIS and TESTICLES!That is the ONLY thing they were honest about NudeMuscleMan,he has no snake or jewels.This is THE LAST time I buy from them.LIE after LIE after LIE.

Ask them to return your money and don't buy from them anymore. I knew when I got the muscle man that he had no morphs, usually if they have a morph with them it will show it. I have always found them to be fair and honest, and I'm sure they will help you out with this. I don't remember them promising to make muscle morphs for Michael, course I may have missed that one. Good luck, Marque

To be fair, you should really contact them for customer service FIRST before getting ugly on them here ;-) Take care.

Yeah I feel for you! I've only bought a few things from them and wasn't too happy! The Bass is not worth 30 bucks, it doesn't pose worth a crap, the body looks bad. They have no textures for it and I can't make them! I wont buy anything from them anymore, at least until I get better at making textures and editing models. They are supposed to be all around making things for all purposes right? Well, I e-mailed them asking if they were EVER gonna make anymore marine animals or animals for that matter. They said no, they are concentrating on the Michael and Vicki. I've not had any downloading trouble and they are nice when I buy somthing, but is it really worth it? I'm a student and I don't have much money to blow on stuff like that. I'll be looking elsewhere for models!

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RadArt,I DID contact them.They offered me my money back.That STILL DOES NOT address the issues I brought up.I still feel the way I do.Sure they ARE nice people.But they DON'T LISTEN TO their customers.If they did,then maybe they would take the TIME to SELL COMPLETE as PROMISED Products.

They sold you the complete model as promised. Nowhere did it say that it had textures or morphs for the face. The muscle guy came out long before Michael when they were in the habit of selling the figure as is. No morphs. The P4 people were asked to have morphs and they did that. Now it is ASSUMED that everything has/should have morphs. They never promised that it had textures. If you don't like it don't buy. if you do buy and you don't like it they have a money back thing. And they do sell as PROMISED.

My goodness, this thread ended up here in C&D way faster than I even bargained for, you folks sure are fast! Anyways, you know, I'm not about to throw any punches at you for feeling the way you feel. Maybe you do have a good reason to feel let down, cheated, outnumbered?? I can somewhat sympathise for both the host and the hostess here ;-) Zygote/Daz has a GOOD enough rep without any folks like me to praise them even more. I do know that without THEM, we would have a heck of a lot less, maybe we wouldn't even have a Poser to use as we do?? They have given us a lot for free, and they have made more than enough excellent pieces of high quality items. As far as I know, they are more than courteious and caring of their customer base. However the last year and a half has shown them as not being so unique anymore. There are a LOT of very gifted talents that have indeed equalled them and maybe even surpassed them in some various ways. Perhaps, due to this alone a lot of us, like you CreativeOne, have come to expect just a little bit more than was once some time ago. When we constantly get bombarded with INCREDIBLE characters and props from so many talents all over, most of them containing morph upon morph upon morph and then even some magnets, and a LOT of these are EVEN for FREE and even contain texture maps to boot, I suppose we tend to wonder "why the heck did I just pay for this?" when we end up buying something thinking in the same venue as we have become rather accustomed to. Perhaps it IS time for a re-assessment, to look at or do a survey to see just what IS now expected from the average poser consumer as far as value goes?? Have to also remember CreativeOne, a lot of these characters and stuff may be somewhat outdated by the standards set forth in the newer items everywhere. I do not wish to put Zygote/Daz down in any way because WE all have way too much to be thankful for as far as their wonderful history of produce is concerned, but as well, they also have to consider that we are a PRIME customer base and "look up" to them in so many ways, and to be disappointed by them, is almost like being let down by a deity in some respects. They are ONE of the most important parts of our Poser heritage, thus we then do expect their works to be even more competitive than above average. If they falter and become less than we have come to expect from even freestuff, nevermind so many other fine SOLD creations by many, then yes, people like CreativeOne do come to feel they have been somewhat let down in a way. Just a "thought", I am NOT here to bash or seek approval for my words here, if I am wrong, I am sorry, (I have enough on my plate to make even more problems for me but I hope I have a right to an opinion?) ;-)

You are not WRONG RadArt.Neither am I.We are ALL entitled to our opinions.The fact Zygote/Daz3D TOLD me that the NudeMuscleMan would be what I needed IS their Fault.Plain and simple!And THEY DID PROMISE HERE AT RENDEROSITY to Make Michael Fixes,SuperHero,Hero Chest,etc, Morphs.I am SO sick and tired of people so BALLESS as to be AFRAID to say ANYTHING Negative about Zygote/Daz3D.And the minute ANYONE says anything negative about them,the thread or statements get either thrown out,or all the ass kissers come out of the woodwork kissing certain companies butts.I bought Michael AFTER Zygote/Daz3D made PROMISES,so you are WRONG,Ghost(Nothing bad against you),and when I asked them,they said "That is why we made The NudeMuscleMan,buy him".SO I did.And he has NO morphs!SO why then call him MuscleMan?Give me a break.Zygote/Daz3D was paid HIGHLY by Metacreations or whomever,to make FULL,QUALITY, Products(Model wise)and they did.But when they sell to the public,they got sloppy and(Vickie anyone?,problem after problem, and Michaels Hip problems etc. )greedy.Whether or not they are nice,a small company,Mormons,or whatever is good for them.But it does not excuse sloppy workmanship,high prices for things artists make for free,(..One does think, Why did Traveler pulled his stuff?Hmmm,I wonder),and God forbid anyone say ANYTHING about The Great Oz,I mean Zygote/Daz3D.LOL!ANd please,don't tell me "Make your own morphs",I am a newbie and if I could figure it out I would Not be SPENDING my hard earned Money.Nuff said!

I'm the LAST one to kiss butt, and I also make sure I get what I pay for...if not I get a refund. You need to go out on the net and see what some of these models cost and THEN come back here and show us what you get. You said they offered to give you your money back, well go get it. We heard what you have to say, and we, most if not all of us being adults in charge of our own wallets will do what we feel is right for us. Sorry you had such a bad time of it but just get your money back and quit complaining about basically the same thing. Marque

Hey there CreativeOne ... I am supporting zygote in this one stll :). Nothing against you either. They said they will make them but time is still a factor. They never said they would make them in a day, a month, or even a year. I also have to defend them when you say they make a defective product simply because it doesn't meet your needs or because you don't look around. (I.E. you said there was no rounder face morph but there is when it ships. Or the scaling or morphing a single area to cause breakage.) As I said .. If you don't like. Don't buy or get your money back .. later

Having done a lot of "testing" for, and knowing also a lot of the time and work a lot of creators put into their characters, props and other goods, I KNOW it's not something that can be done in a day, nevermind, even a week is not long enough, depending on what it is. Daz/Zygote is NOT a small company and they have been around for sometime, probably longer than most any of us or even some of these forums? Not everything that is made will be something for everyone's tastes, but so far the MAJORITY of they're workmanship has always been superb and a challenge to meet with by many. And really, unless you create a totally independant figure/character of your very own that works in poser, the majority of so called creations in freestuff and the stores are BASED on Daz/Zygote materials and geometry that is altered, enhanced, added-on, cloned, redone, reshaped, remorphed, or whatever, the basic infrastructure is still based on the poser/Zygote prefab character. If you do design/create your own mesh it's a LOT of WORK and a LOT of TIME and a LOT of TESTING that very few can do. Try to go and BUY a NEW mesh/character that's entirely different, (and these don't even MOVE), and they can cost you a BUNDLE!! I do understand your plight of expectations, like I said above, because we come to expect sooo much MORE these days when we load a new character, especially MORPH wise, and maybe this should be looked at, however in some ways we can also look at this as a lot of folks being spoiled when they expect so very much. I have always come to accept that Daz/Zygote is the one that more or less creates the "molds", and then all the others somewhat refine/enhance them or alter them and make add-ons like clothes and morphs and things to make all this craft that much more valuable and useful. I am not a creature creator as of yet so I am not really sure how many really MAKE brand new meshes to give away and sell, I could be way off here for I am sure and do know there are a good many too, but there are also a great many, if not more, that just use the same models in existence and just make THEM even GREATER. There are some, such as Traveler and Codeman, (remember him?), who actually come up with their own incredible creative breakthroughs and thus become competitors for Daz/Zygote, (both Codeman and Daz have their own Octopus for example), but a lot of what you see around IS enhanced material. Correct me thoroughly if I am wrong here, for I am assuming some things and could be wrong. If I am wrong, then I claim ignorance and have been thinking incorrectly about this for some time.

It's cool.I appreciate your input.I still see people accepting bugged,expensive,{Since they ARE being SOLD,they SHOULD be bug free,}(almost)and FULL of Morphs(Poser4,the package itself is at NO extra cost),and incomplete models from Zygote/Daz3D.I agree I am NO way always right,but in the #9 post I made ALOT of VALID Points.Funny how nobody really addressed them.The PEOPLE at Zygote/Daz are nice,blah blah...but they DON'T LISTEN,nor do they take customers suggestions or requests seriously.Offering a refund IS commendable and the nice/right thing to do.BUT,to Offer that OVER and OVER and NOT give us what we ask for does NOT solve the problem.

I think they do listen. You may not see them post or reply, that is not their style, and perhaps best. They are a business not conversationalists but they KNOW that these forums are a good backbone for their poser product. One thing though you may wish to consider is not to be too brash when voicing your concerns, that is why I mentioned the word "ugly" way above ;-) It is difficult to take anything serious if you sound too much like your attempting to bash them, and I am not saying you are, it is probably NOT intentional on your part, but your words do sound somewhat demeaning which would just not do justice to your concern. Although they may well peruse our threads for advise and marketing heresay they are NOT responsible for deciphering one's "meaning" and may well just put this all off as just a general flame. Just a thought, no offense ;-)

You know.There seem to be ALOT of Zombies here(Not you),who take the crap that is sold to them.Accept inferior products,get more inferior products.Settle for Crap,you keep getting crap.I am so over this.I REALLY hope I NEVER hear anyone else complaining about crappy products,cause if I do,I will say "Told you So".Zygote/Daz3D lost me as a customer(I am sure they will live),which is too bad.I make $$$ and spend it,but only with companies I believe in.The ones who actually CARE about quality,professionalism,and customers get my money.Remember Vicky and ALL her Problems.I wonder WHY?Zygote is running a %40 sale off ALL their products?Slow sales perhaps?And what the heck is a Flame?I am Stating FACTS.The fact alot of people don't care is sad actually,it shows how they will take anything that is sold,no matter how shabby it is.Some take alot longer than others to wake up.Profits eventually "Speak Volumes"

I got to say that I like Vickie and Mike both. They both have a lot of nice features. But CreativeOne is right. Not all of Zygotes stuff is the quallity it should be. When I bought Vickie I also bought a clothig pack for her and half of the conforming items don't. Skin showing through every where. This is unmorphed in the default pose. Now for $30 the damn clothes should fit. I can make the stuff work but I shouldn't have to. I'm not bitching I'll just be less likely to buy something from them now.

That is my POINT.FINALLY(lol)someone gets what I am saying.:0),BUT Cyber,you SHOULD Bitch!We are PAYING for this stuff!

CreativeOne, many of us would tend to agree with you more if you were shouting alot less. Sure there are issues with most off the shelf models, and few of them will meet the needs of every individual user. That is why you find so many permutations released here in both free stuff and in the store area. Speaking of the store area, have you chosen to check that out instead of Zygote? There are two excellent muscular Michaels in there right now. MichelAngelo by Kennect for the ultra reasonable price of 15.00. http://www.renderosity.com/softgood.ez?ViewSoftgood=661 Also Massive Mike by Wyrmmaster, again for 15.00 http://www.renderosity.com/softgood.ez?ViewSoftgood=653 Now if Poser4 characters suit your fancy better... there used to be an excellent p4 Muscle Man here, and another called Physique, Physique even had clothes morphed to go onto his body. Both of these characters was loaded down with morphs. Texturing though would need to be done for both, but most any of the nice free textures for Dork is a good starting place. Does anyone happen to know where those characters went, or even who the creators were so maybe I could host them and reupload them for others to have access to? I have both, but would like to give credit If Im gonna try to host and reupload both. CreativeOne, in the meantime, try not to get too many angry at you, folks here have long memories. Contact me at mehndi_studios@hotmail.com and I can email out to you the Poser 4 muscle men characters that I have on hand if you wish.

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Hello. This is Chad from DAZ Productions. I appreciate having been informed about this thread, and for the opportunity to respond. At DAZ3D we do regret the limits imposed by our production resources, as well as the fact that we will never be able to offer every product that everyone wants. However, we do feel it imperative to adequately represent our products and to care for our customers on an individual as well as a collective basis. I don't believe that either of these issues was overlooked in this case. Though we usually deal with customer satisfaction issues privately, I think that it may be appropriate to post the following correspondence, between a customer and DAZ's president, Dan Farr, which is typical for this type of complaint. If anyone has any suggestions on how we can provide better customer support, we truly welcome your feedback. (sales@daz3d.com) Thanks. -Chad Smith DAZ Productions Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:45:56 -0800 (PST) After buying Michael and GETTING NO PROMISED MUSCLE MORPHS/Fixes(Michaels neck and back)and LACK of MORPHS for a PowerLifter/BodyBuilder,SuperHero,and getting an email from Daz3D saying "they have NO TIME" to do them,you MUST BE JOKING!I will NEVER buy another product from you again.I am telling ALL my friends not to also. Our response: I guess I can understand your frustration if you purchased Michael expecting to get additional body morphs for larger muscularity. Although, it was advertised showing what the figure looked like. We do sometime hope to add additional superhero or muscleman type morphs but it not something we are able to do at this time. If you are completely dis-satified with your purchase of Michael, the best thing I can do is offer you the opportunity to return it for a full refund. I don't know how we could treat you more fairly than that. Otherwise, it is counter productive for you to encourage others to not support our efforts. The more that our current efforts are rewarded by sales, the stronger our abilities are to increase our production efforts and the sooner we will have the Michael morphs you are looking for. Please let me know your feelings. We would love to work with you. I am truly sorry that our production schedule does not meet your needs. Overall, we are really working our hardest to keep new products introduced for the Poser customers. Sincerely, Dan Farr Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 02:17:25 -0800 (PST) You would love to work with me?How? Our response: Well, the first thing that I can offer is the opportunity for you to return the Michael model for a full refund if you do not want to use the model as is. The next thing is that I can do my best to keep the muscle morphs a priority in our development after we finish what we currently have planned. I still think that we would be out several months though. Please call or email me if you have any questions. I really would like be on better terms with you. Thank you for your correspondence communicating your concerns with me. Sincerely, Dan Farr Our follow up response: I have just seen a new morph target for Michael giving him a much more muscular build. It is for sale at renderosity.com under the name of Massive Mike. Please let me know if you have any trouble finding it. I think that it looks great and will hopefully give you what your need. Sincerely, Dan Farr Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 02:32:06 -0800 (PST) I bought it Dan.Though I should not have had to.Get my drift?LOL.Anyway,it is pretty good,but the butt is still flat,his neck still weird,and has no real Upper Chest/shoulder blade Morphs.Daz Needs to do a FULL SuperHero Morph like they did in Poser 4.If you make Mike BIG he breaks and the Arm Morphs kinda stink too.Hoping you guys Finally make those promised morphs.I know you will :0) Thanks for the email. Our last response: I have to say that I am somewhat glad to hear that the Massive Mike leaves us some areas to improve upon. We sometimes get a little frustrated seeing other people do things that we want to do before we have the time to get to them. So it is nice to hear that there are some areas that we can improve upon. Thanks for the note back. When we get ours done, contact me before buying it and I will work you a special deal. Thanks, Dan Farr

Well I would complain CreativeOne but it wouldn't do any good. They've got the market cornered and they know it. Whats needed here is some good old fashioned competition. Shame my modeling skills aren't up to it or I'd make my own mesh figures. Oh well dude, I look at it like this. When I was a kid, I would have never imagined all these creative tools would be at my disposal. Even though some things don't work as advertised its still a blast.

Actually, Cybermonk, if you are working with a patched Poser and the updated Vicki and clothes you should have no problem. Someone else (a couple actually) though it wwas a bad deal but they didn't get the update to Vickie that had the joint parameters adjusted to make it work. The clothes pack was designed for that figure. Not the first release of Vickie. Make sure you are all updated and you should be fine .. I have no problemm even on 4.02 ... (The version before the latest update of poser)

I don't believe they have the market cornered. There ARE a lot of talents all around, LOOK. With all due respect, lets all show a little respect ;-) They have answered, they are acknowledging and they have done what they can in this situation. Shall we now continue to raz them to the ground for it? I don't think that's right at all. We do have a lot more to be thankful for than not, let's not get carried away? Please?

Well, RadArt your right that there are a lot of talented people in the community. However nobody makes mesh models of humans. Characters made with morphs,textures, props,even clothing, but no mesh figures... well damn few anyway. I am the customer RadArt why should I be apologetic about a problem with a product I paid for. I never complained to them. I didn't think it would do much good and I could still use the product with a little effort. So if I want to do a little venting amongst my peers....I WILL!!! If Zygote is watching... so what. They aint God so I'm not to worried about staying on there good side. Actually I don't hold that much animosity against them. I just don't like being told to shut up because we got company. lol See what you did RadART you've got me all riled up. Ghostofmacbeth, I appreciatte the advice. I'm not sure if I updated vickie or not. I bought her and Mike and some clothes all at once. So I had alot of stuff to install and I mite have forgot to update her. That could be it. Thanks.

Well I have to admit,that was very nice the way Dan said he would get the morphs done and work a deal with the guy/girl who wrote him.Hopefully,everything will work out.My MAIN point was NOT saying Daz wasn't nice,they seem like very nice people(I said that all along),but that they need to LISTEN better BEFORE they make or release a product.Take more time so there are less bugs and more features.Considering SO many things are FREE it would be in Dazs' and the Customers best interest to do so.Either way,maybe now Zygote/Daz3D will LISTEN better.Thanks for replying Dan.And Cybermonk I agree with you 110%.We as Paying Customers have every right to wanting products that are bug free,feature laden,and worth the money we spend.As you can see from my above earlier posts,I don't kiss anyones ass!LOL.The proof will be in actions by Zygote/Daz3D.Let's see what happens :0)

Mehndi,Thanks for the advice.I already have MassiveMike and Physique.I don't know about MichelAngelo.You can't see any body morphs in the ad,but the head looks like a Monkeys head on a little mans body.It is not the best advertisement for the product.I am Italian,and my head aint the size of a Buick.If Kennect made Cool MuscleMorphs he should show em in his ad,I'd buy em :0)

I am sure you were riled up way before I said my piece Cybermonk, no need to USE me as a scapegoat, I got enough of that already in my backpack. But you know, now your all kinda getting me riled up!! Why is it that whenever or as soon as someone says something NICE about someone around here they are then KISSING ass??!! That I resent, cause it's just NOT always the TRUTH! Kissing ASS is buttering up to someone you can't stand so you can get on their good side, I have no problem with Daz/Zygote's workmanship, you's DO, BUT I was attempting to UNDERSTAND your reasoning! Could it not be that maybe all this should actually be kept on a more professional level rather than acting like a bunch of baboons fighting over whether a banana peels properly and then attempting to chastise the tree for growing dumb bananas??? Fine, you's weren't happy about something you bought, thinking you would GET something you didn't, we all understand that point, BUT we also see Daz/Zygote doing what THEY CAN with something they ARE actually sympathizing with, YOUR problems. If you had these problems and they were doing NOTHING, then I could rally for your cause, but you's seem somewhat determined to make them just look plain BAD for some reason, and really, that is NOT necessary at all in this situation! Not at all whatsover. You've lost nothing, you have made your points, people listened, Daz/Zygote listened, they even responded and acted as best they could in this situation and the time alloted, now is it necessary to have a further "they were so bad to me" discussion? If all the complaints around here were handled with this kind of finesse there would be a lot more happy souls around, be thankful, be happy, and stop whining about a problem that HAS/IS being addressed! You are NOT being disrespected by Daz/Zygote, the least that can be done is to show THEM that same courtesy. My apologies for this HARD attitude, but I too have a right to get pissy, especially when I see "kissing ass" in a post, that just really annoys me cause too many folks use that as a crutch against some that have something nice to say about anything! Take care.

Hey RadArt once again you seem to be telling me that I really shouldn't voice my opinion. And you are wrong I was not pissed until you showed up trying to police this thread. I was perfectlly content to do my little bit of grumbling and go on about my buisness. But you seem to think I dont' have the right to say my peace. Well I do and I will.I don't mind people disagreeing with me but it really makes me mad as hell when they try to shut me up. I post here infrequently. Its not like I'm continuosly posting. But your on here with a steady stream of bull. Huge long rambling posts about nothing and thats ok but then you have the nerve to basically tell me that I've said enough. Well dude I'll decide that. As far as Zygote addressing the issue so far all they have done is said a few words about how much they really want the customers to be happy. Well that hasn't fixed anything. Maybe they will... I dont know. Like I said I don't loathe them are anything just was really irratated and thought I'd vent for a bit. Anyway there's a few more bricks for your back pack Rad.

ROFL CreativeOne, it may be impossible to please you, short of you taking time to learn to model your own characters ;p Pardon me for disagreeing, but I find MichalAngelo to be quite attractive. And quite muscular :) But then... maybe I just hang out so much with computer nerds day and night that I would not know a muscle man if I met one walking down the street ;P Quit complaining and start learning to do your own morphs and modelling. When I had whined long enough, one day it occurred to me, no one here will EVER make the character I am really longing for... except me. So now I make my own :)

Where did I say you should not VOICE your opinion? Where?? Huh? How am I trying to POLICE this thread? Huh?? And how is meager old ME trying to SHUT you UP, huh? My goodness, I seem to have such a POWERFUL and FORCEFUL disposition all of a sudden, what the heck? As if my ramblings had such an impact; give me a royal break bud! So what are you trying to prove, huh? So now I can come back and tell you the SAME bull you tell me; that you think I should NOT have MY opinion??!! Well, I DO! And just because you don't LIKE it, that ain't gonna change my mind squat! I have just as much right to post my feelings as you do and no fancy pants is gonna bully me into submission ANYMORE nohow about what I feel is right! Sooo, unless Tim or rcook have a problem with ME telling MY view, GET OFF MY BACK and have a nice day!

Mehndi This IS Called COMPLAINT and DEBATE.Did you know that?Anyway,I am not impossible to please(so don't even TRY to "read" me,this forum is NOT for Personal attacks,ok?)and the fact I DON'T know "how" to make my own Morphs is the REASON I PURCHASE them from Professionals(hopefully).Being so,I expect alot for my Money.Nothing wrong with that.Anyway,why in the world did you even BOTHER to make a post AFTER we are TRYING to settle this to everyones liking.Dan from Zygote/Daz said things would be better and fixed,so I said Great.We will wait and see.Now you come in here a dollar short and a day late.Since you make "your own characters",I am glad for you.I do not have the technical knowledge to do so.So shoot me.Now everyone stop calling each other names and ALLOW those who wish to "Complain and Debate".Have a nice day :0)

You know, this IS just MY own personal "opinion", but somehow I think some folks here have really lost their focus? I mean what is this? Folks ARE trying to HELP, and yet they get penalized for it by getting TRASHED! Is it because we are not saying what you WANT to HEAR, is THAT it?? I really don't get it. Various people have already given valuable, precious advise, and Mehndi here has suggested a form of help, she wasn't trying to make you look bad at all; not that it matters; I think you's are just looking for a reason to bitch, whether it's Daz/Zygote, me or Mehndi or whatever scratching post happens to wander by and not agree. Frankly I am through with providing any more entertainment for you's here.

I have to agree with Radart, CreativeOne, you are hearing aggression where there is none, probably because you are so aggressive you assume must be like you also. Just because we find the situation humorous is not in fact being a day late or any dollar short. Nor is it "reading" you. It is merely, laughing. Good medicine for the soul. Try it sometime. My post is one of laughter at the whole situation, since the second I got Poser, and I do mean the day I got it out of the box, nothing I saw (with the exception of maybe Thorne's girls) was good enough for me, so I got under the hood, rolled up my sleeves, and began to learn. It has been a learning curve, but I am the better for it. Maybe it was because I don't have all the money in the world to buy from others that is a motivator, so Im not so spoiled in my expectations. I do expect to have to work to get my models right, my scenes right, everything just right. Some of us are mechanics, architects, and engineers as our art goes, creators all, others of us are shadetree render hobbiests who think if they throw enough money at something it will make them creative. Now, I'd watch my Colonial tongue were I you at this stage. You have been offered help nicely, people have been as understanding of your feelings as they know how to be. But you want to raise your voice and start turning this into a heated name calling flaming hateful debate of the sort you launched first onto Zygote's team (BTW what in HELL does their religion have to do with the price of tea in India?), then let lose your wolf ;p As I said, people here have long memories.

Well first off RadArt, you're the one that started it all you basically told us to stop whining and just be happy.I never said you couldn't have an opinion Rad. I just can't promise I wont think to highly of you for having it.What do you care though right? You didn't come into the thread and tell us why Zygotes stuff is just so great. No, you just told us that hey they're being nice so we should be too. I'm really tired of this thread. I did't want to stretch it out but I refuse to be pushed around. I tell ya what Rad I'll shut up If you will.

Follow the bouncing ball..........

Listen to the hot wind blow....

Actually I prefer to be cool, I'm from the mountains.....

What you prefer and what you actually achieve are two entirely different things. Cool your not. So by all means slick, keep the smart ass comments coming and I'll keep shooting them down. Hey RadArt.... pull!! BANG!!! There goes another one. I thought you said you didn't want to entertain us further Rad?

Are you having FUN yet? Personally I think Tim should consider opening up a "circus forum" so when threads get this stupid they can be moved there. Maybe you can apply for moderator position, you have a knack for clowning around. Bet you make wonderful balloon animals in your spare time too, huh? Wanna have a pie fight? ;-)

Gee, this is great...I have been out of town for the last two weeks and come back and find my name mentioned here....I realize my name coming up is simply a footnote to the overall thread but I still find this to be somewhat of a badge of honor in the long and ongoing tradition of the C&D forum...First, Mehndi, thanks for the kind words regarding Angelo...You are probably the only person that is aware of the fact that I started him last September...I say that only to point out a lot of time and effort went into something that looks so very simple...As far as personal criticism goes there isn't much that can be said that bothers me...Angelo is/was my attempt to show Michael in a different mood than what we were use to seeing...I wanted his face to look a little more rugged and rough, something that would get a "I like it" or "I hate it" reaction....I feel I did succeed in that...In regards to CreativeOne's comments on him I have no problem personally with what he said....Obviously Angelo isn't something he would be interested in buying and that is fine with me....But there is something here that does bother me and that is a total lack of common decency and manners relating to how some here behave...This entire thread regarding Zygote and Michael is a complete waste of everyone's time...There have been ongoing post's since Michael's release about the lack of muscle morphs and all of these post's read as if they are carbon copies written by the same person...There has also been numerous debates, in the past, regarding the quality of their weekly freebie. etc...I personally have never felt that I am or I am not a devoted fan of theirs but there are couple of things they do as a business I like...What impresses me the most is their basic "satisfaction guaranteed" policy...In this day and age things like that mean a lot to me personally..Their customer service is some the best I have seen when it comes to handling a problem...I think it is rather obvious that Zygote can't make everyone happy and that is part of the true beauty of this entire Poser bit...The ability for one to tailor a figure or prop to suit their personal needs and taste is great...The better part of that is the fact that as this whole thing goes foward it keeps getting easier and easier to do so...

Actually I am starting to enjoy it RadArt. lol So yeah I'd moderate a circus forum. You could be the main attraction. And your right except for the last bit by Kennect this thread has grown pretty stupid. Hey RadArt I'm making a Voodoo Doll could you email me a hair ;-)

Well said kennect, glad to see a little "sense" in a hopeless thread that's now gone the way of imbeciles. Cybermonk, stop trying to impress me with your endless lunacy and squeeze that pimple between your ears already; I think it's come to a head.

Who are you that I should try to impress. You're just pissed because I didn't bow down to your ego. I tried to slack off this stupid crap with a little humor wich I thought you were also trying to do. Instead you call me an imbecile among other things. I shoud have known you wouldn't let it go. But it is my fault, I've read this forum for a while now and I should have known better than to ever respond to anthing you say, because its just bait. So to everybody else I apologise for all this. Lesson learned.

Your real good with dishing it out but somehow just can't take the same back, huh? Guess you were just hoping I WOULD just shut the hell up and move on and let you party on my scraps? Naaww. Note, I said "imbeciles"...plural...which even includes ME! Yes, this thread has gone wacko, it did a long time ago when it lost focus and ended up being a personal best seller. I no more have an "ego" like your suggesting than you have a valid reason to cry fowel. Your not exactly handing out candy canes and saying ho, ho, ho on this thread! Darn, I WISH I had a smidgeon of that ego thingy, then I wouldn't get flustered so easily and folks wouldn't have me regularly for breakfast, dinner and supper on a constant basis. For all it's worth, I apologise, even to YOU Cybermonk, this really IS stupid, and it should NEVER have gotten that dumb, especially with something that is so sensitive a topic in various ways.

Fair enough then RadArt I am glad that we have finaly come to a peaceful conclusion.

"CreativeOne, in the meantime, try not to get too many angry at you, folks here have long memories"-Menhdi "ROFL CreativeOne, it may be impossible to please you, short of you taking time to learn to model your own characters"-Menhdi "Quit complaining and start learning to do your own morphs and modelling"-Menhdi......"probably because you are so aggressive you assume must be like you also.."-Menhdi. 25. Re: When will Zygote/Daz3D STOP the games? by CreativeOne on 2/13 18:51 [Delete] Well I have to admit,that was very nice the way Dan said he would get the morphs done and work a deal with the guy/girl who wrote him.Hopefully,everything will work out.My MAIN point was NOT saying Daz wasn't nice,they seem like very nice people(I said that all along),but that they need to LISTEN better BEFORE they make or release a product.Take more time so there are less bugs and more features.Considering SO many things are FREE it would be in Dazs' and the Customers best interest to do so.Either way,maybe now Zygote/Daz3D will LISTEN better.Thanks for replying Dan.And Cybermonk I agree with you 110%.We as Paying Customers have every right to wanting products that are bug free,feature laden,and worth the money we spend.As you can see from my above earlier posts,I don't kiss anyones ass!LOL.The proof will be in actions by Zygote/Daz3D.Let's see what happens :0) Mendhi did you even BOTHER to READ the above post I made REAL early in #25?In Post#29 you start your venum.Then when I respond, you and your friend RadArt go on and on.What was the point? "Folks ARE trying to HELP, and yet they get penalized for it by getting TRASHED!"RadArt...I agree,so WHY are you and Menhdi Trashing me?...."Mehndi here has suggested a form of help, she wasn't trying to make you look bad at all; not that it matters"-RadArt..Yes it DOES MATTER.We are NOT here to attack each other for our opinions.How was Mehndi trying to help me?By saying the Above nasty things about me AFTER I SAID Zygote/Daz3D is trying to do the right thing?Sorry RadArt but you are WRONG!YOU and Mehndi STARTED the Nastyness AFTER I SAID Lets give Zygote/Daz3D the Benefit of the doubt,did you READ my Post #25.I Reposted it here so you would BOTHER to READ it........"Now, I'd watch my Colonial tongue were I you at this stage"-Mehndi.There you go again.Stop trying to turn this around with your buddy RadArt.READ my Post#25.It is THAT simple.YOU posted the wise ass response AFTER this was OVER,as did RadArt.You BOTH made this thread go on and on.I STOPPED at #31.I think anyone can see that....Kennect,Mendhi mentioned your item,I saw the face and the head looked too big for the body in the pic.I was just letting you know.If I did that wrong,I do appologize,really,sorry.Mendhi said you did Muscletype morphs SO I also said if you did I would buy em.I meant that :0).This Thread got REALLY NASTY and WEIRD AFTER Menhdi and Radart got personal and went on and on and on.The strange thing is they Started all this crap AFTER I posted Post#31 which was in response to Mendhis response out of nowhere.This has gotten WAY out of hand.I have no time to waste with people who attack others for stating opinions,and go on and on about it.It's over.Relax.

Oh brother...hope that's the end now,....no offense.

I agree.Amazing how when one READS posts they REALIZE they were WAY off line like you and Mehndi.Now lets start making art! :0)

Always have to THROW in another snide, smartass comment, don't you? You REALLY think your making ANY sense at all?? Or are you just trying real hard to win a bigmouth award or something? BUT, that last word before your exlamation mark makes sense, please DO.......show us your ART is as big as your convictions.

hmmmf, Zygote has been pretty cool if you ask me, They give away free stuff and have great prices and awesome models, I have not seen anyone beat them in quality yet. Zygote does give a listing of figure morphs and shows you the mesh as well, Does not take a rocket scientist to understand what you getting when hyou read the stats on the figures.

RadArt,don't you EVER get over yourself?Just THINK before you speak.I ended or TRIED to end this LONG ago,see post #25 but you need to see your type OVER and OVER in Posts.It's ok,take your meds,all will be fine.Now can you stop Personally attacking me?I'm gonna cry :0( This post was or should have been over after post 25.)Zygote is trying so give them a chance.Have a nice day :0)