Glitterati3D posted at 11:27PM Wed, 27 November 2019 - #4371479

MKDAWUSS posted at 9:21PM Wed, 27 November 2019 - #4371467

I'm not quite sure what to make of L'Homme being just a morph set for La Femme. Is this more likely to keep him viable or will he just be an afterthought for La Femme? I would like to see some viable males. So far, we're spoiled for choice when it comes to female content (morphs, clothes, hair, other accessories), while male content is a different story.

I do hope both are here to stay for a while.

Well, if you think about it, there are multiple advantages to this approach:

First and foremost, by creating unisex clothing (see the Fantasy Armor set above) the morph reduces the risk to vendors with non-selling products. There will be 2 figures who can use the product.

... which means it has to look good on her for him to get anything whatsoever.

Y'know, I went into this whole L'Homme thing thinking, Great, we're gonna get a new male figure, and it's gonna be awesome. But since then? No previews of any kind, which is never a good sign, and now the realization that it's just a morph of LaF, and now anything that gets done for him is just gonna be some "unisex" thing so she can, as usual, look amazing with clothes cut to down here and three quarters' of her breasts on display.

C'mon, guys. Seriously? You're hobbling this mesh from the very start and reducing it to just another prop in the La Femme world. "Oh, but they can wear each other's clothes!" Yeah, got it. That's not much of a selling point, sorry. And yes, I realize I'm saying this while using a main character mesh myself that's an adaption of the old Krystal — and in the process found all manner of issues in texturing because the obj file is still Krystal, which means polygons have been moved around and squished together so it generally makes it really difficult to create good looking textures for anything without them being distorted — and now I can expect the same from the male flagship character from Rendo?

Seriously?

Not kidding, I am seriously close to being over this nonsense. Why does every damn thing in the Poserverse have to revolve around the needs of the freaking female characters? This is just continuing the mindset that the guys, as much as they are around here, are distantly secondary and not worth anyone's attention because, you know, guy stuff doesnt sell and we really need 875 bra and panty sets and 2,000 make up "characters" and God only knows how many "sexy teachers" and "sexy schoolgirls"... so why are you even bothering in the first place if this is just going to be a freaking morph that's limited by what the O Holy La Femme is capable of?

He'd better be freaking awesome, like so awesome "he makes Julienne fries and plays mp3s" awesome. I dont want to see some delicate little urban metrosexual that'll look good with all of La Femme's make up applications. Otherwise, honestly, I'm done with this nonsense.

Forgive the repetition in stance, but these are all tests I do when I've converted something from one character to another. Some of these are M4, some are H3, some are even V4. But the bottom line remains: they're all pretty successful and they retain the original's morphs that are useful. Sometimes, like the Jon Snow cape, the original was simply brought in and scaled and parented, because the movement morphs were worth retension. And in all cases, the original costume mesh had to be bought in order for me to transfer it to my particular mesh of choice.

The options are out there, folks, if you know how to work them. And if all the original character creator is going to give you is basics and no one else wants to touch it "because it wont sell well", then you do what you need to do.

Glitterati3D posted at 12:45AM Wed, 27 November 2019 - #4371364

Rhia474 posted at 10:51PM Tue, 26 November 2019 - #4371363

So, um, wouldn't an app like Poser would benefit from its fitting room updated so it's conversions are almost seamless from a figure to another? Seems to me that would help the end users a lot.

I'll be honest, as a clothing creator, I don't see how that is possible. There's just too much difference between figures - starting with old models with very different topology, to rigging differences (spherical rigging vs. weight mapping) to simple size differences. I've done a number of figure fits in the modeler, and there's just major differences between figures, starting with one figure standing in a zero location well in front of or behind the originating figure, plus size differences. It's much easier to convert in the modeler and re-rig (and that's not "easy") than trying to do it in the fitting room or with a conversion utility. I don't see a way to automate that.

Kyle 1.5 wearing clothes originally made for M4. As far as I can tell, the converters focus more on the geometries than the cr2s, then rebuild the clothing to suit the destination character. But, of course, this requires buying the original clothing in the first place, so it's not the original vendor is being cut out of the loop. If anything, it's providing more opportunities for the vendor to make a sale.

As things stand, I have a wardrobe for my Kyle characters that's about 30 gigs in size, and draws on characters from M2 and P4 to Genesis.... and again, in all cases, I had to buy the originals in order to create the conversions. So what am I missing in all this, folks?

Glitterati3D posted at 12:39AM Mon, 25 November 2019 - #4371200

Oh, I imagine there'll be some basic support at the beginning, and then it'll fall off a cliff because, you know, we really need to talk about Miki and G8F and "why cant the DAZ women be imported into Poser".

I guess L'Homme will be out there for a while, then, like all the others, he'll just disappear. So I gather I shouldnt hold my breath waiting for his appearance, if indeed he ever does.

Once he's created/released, and the vendors create the initial release, it's all up to the customers at that point.

If the customers refuse to support the figure and the vendors, then your prediction will come true.

History bears me out. No matter how well made the mesh, the vendors refuse to support them, because "male stuff doesnt sell!" — never thinking for a moment, that it doesnt sell because it doesnt exist, but that's another point for another time.

I'd like to think L'Homme will surprise me. But surprises in Poserdom are few and far between.

ssgbryan posted at 12:32AM Sun, 24 November 2019 - #4371124

SeanMartin posted at 8:56PM Sat, 23 November 2019 - #4371082

Yes, yes, folks, Miki et al are quite pretty.

OU EST L'HOMME?????

'Rosity is following the DAZ model for male releases - good news is that they haven't told us that it will be out "soon". If you are holding out hope for a supported Male figure, I'd suggest looking at L'Femme's content support, as well as the support male figures get at both 'Rosity & that other place.

Hopefully we'll get a Texture Transformer module, and a Hair Control System module for L'Homme.

Oh, I imagine there'll be some basic support at the beginning, and then it'll fall off a cliff because, you know, we really need to talk about Miki and G8F and "why cant the DAZ women be imported into Poser".

I guess L'Homme will be out there for a while, then, like all the others, he'll just disappear. So I gather I shouldnt hold my breath waiting for his appearance, if indeed he ever does.

quietrob posted at 2:45PM Sat, 23 November 2019 - #4371087

SeanMartin posted at 11:33AM Sat, 23 November 2019 - #4371084

@Rhia: I almost daresay that if someone put together a package of "sexy Civil War generalettes", it would be a sensation.

Sean, where can I get the Sexy Civil War Generalettes? Is...Is there a bundle available?

I understand the bundle also contains "Hot Abbie Lincoln", but the Ford's Theatre expansion set is no longer available.

@Rhia: the biggest part of the problem, IMHO, is simply profitability. People will mindlessly buy a kazillion bra-and-panty sets for their little virtual Barbies, but a Civil War set — and an especially complicated one like these, simply wont find a sufficient audience for the vendor to turn a profit on it, not unless s/he can provide a morph that allows it to fit G8F or LaF and is open all the way to the waist. :-) I almost daresay that if someone put together a package of "sexy Civil War generalettes", it would be a sensation.

I agree that M4 was one of the best guys put out there, but he was — like all the Poser men — woefully undersupported, because everyone wanted the cash cows that were V4 and the Genesis women. If you have something that works for M3, I suggest rummaging around for an older version of Poser and using Wardrobe Wizard. I use it to distraction, and it's provided my go-to figure, Kyle 1.5, with over 30 gigs of stuff. Even if you have to buy the standalone version from PhilC, it's well worth the investment.

Yes, yes, folks, Miki et al are quite pretty.

OU EST L'HOMME?????

DreaminGirl posted at 10:25AM Fri, 22 November 2019 - #4370946

Here's your kitchen:

https://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/home-economics-classroom-poser-ds-and-obj-/112269/

THANK YOU!!! :-)

Not even a preview at this point?

I have maybe a dozen kitchen layouts, but this particular one was meeting a particular need. Yes, I can cobble one together with what I have on hand, but I've always believed that if I can support a vendor, I'd rather do that.

I could swear that someone here had a HomeEc kitchen set — two kitchens, one mirroring the other — here, and now I cannot find it. It seems like the kind of thing Greenpots would do, but there's nothing in his store that I can see. Search engine for "kitchen" doesnt come up with anything.

Anyone?

722 posted at 4:35PM Wed, 20 November 2019 - #4368224

like a higher quality figure in the way of HD like G8 figures should be the standard. like this,Michael 7 - Portrait by NobbyC https://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/michael-7---portrait/2900118/?p Rendard in superfly Amazing detail.

No, because every time DAZ creates a new "character", they invariably change something that would require the Poser team to jump through a few more hoops to get it to run. If DAZ wants the Poser purchase, let DAZ take the initiative to build a Poser-friendly version of its own stuff.

Nope. You dont get off that easy. JE VEUX L'HOMME.

And it seems to be fixed.

Thanks, Rosity. :-)