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Subject: Sexist programmers ???
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Years ago I used to play a game and the male characters were located under "human" catagory. The female characters were located under "monster" catagory. Now that's sexist!!! LOL
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
Grammatically speaking, It is more correct to say "his" than "their" (as their is meant only as a plural pronoun), and it is still considered by most english professors (male and female) to be less awkward to say he, him or his when referring to an unknown gender rather than he/she, him/her or his/hers. Additionally, the US is one of the very few cultures (tho not the only one) in the world where some people consider it sexist. It many cultures, it is a requirement that you use the masculine pronoun when referring to an unknown gender. Specifically speaking, in Spanish, every named object in existence (with a very few exceptions) has an assigned gender. When speaking about a person or persons of unknown gender, you ALWAYS say the masculine pronoun. When speaking about a group of people with even ONE male, even in a HUNDRED women, you ALWAYS say the masculine pronoun. Only if you are SURE it's a female, or SURE it's a group of SOLELY females, do you use the feminine pronoun. Just a little info for ya 
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-Nicholas
That may have been the case historically, Nic, but since we're no longer considered chattel and actually get to vote, most of us these days tend to prefer equal treatment. :rolleyes:
Besides which it looks rather silly receiving an ebot which says "Karen has added your image to his favourite list..."
Several alternatives which don't require a pronoun:
"Your image was added to favourites by XXX"
"XXX added your image as a favourite"
"Your image was added to XXX's favourite images list"
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and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan
Shire
Just a little info for ya -- 
Only female mosquitoes bite, and only female bees sting. And that ant that bit you the other day..........? Well, that one was female, too.
Better watch out, Nic -- you've stepped into a real hornet's nest with this one. And the angry hornets that sting are all.........ummm......urr........well.........nevermind.........
BTW -- just to check up on the function of things in the forums -- I was wondering if everyone who is posting to this thread has received all of his ebots today -- just like he is supposed to?
(hee.....hee......hee......hee........snort snort snicker)
Quote - That may have been the case historically, Nic, but since we're no longer considered chattel and actually get to vote, most of us these days tend to prefer equal treatment. :rolleyes:
What a great response, Karen! thank you so much! And all of those suggestions are valid and certainly eliminate the need to use a pronoun at all!
sinning every minute is an art form
Uh.....who's Nic?
I'm always reminded of the inherently gender-neutral stance of the Poserverse each time that I cruise the art galleries.
We've got the same issue with mountain bikes -- just not at similar rates of acceleration. The bugs don't usually smash open when they impact upon your teeth at speeds of around 20mph.
But at 70mph? Now that would be a different story.........in that case, the insects should burst right open quite nicely. About the only time that a mountain biker might experience something similar would be on an extreme downhill.
But I've had the pleasure of a bug or two along the way -- especially as I typically ride at night. shrug It's an occupational hazard. It beats being a pilot -- and running into a bird.
Edited to add -- during my ride last night, I felt something "thunk!" on my chest -- and I looked down to discover that I had a couple of fairly large beetles crawling around & hitching a ride on my shirt. However: that's not unusual in the trade. It usually only bothers me when I feel something crawling on the back of my neck -- or down into the back of my shirt. And on a night ride -- it'll happen once in awhile.
Do we have to have political correctness everywhere now ?
To quote a certain Australian comedian "If it's political it ain't correct.".
This whole gender neutrality thing is as daft as labelling people 'African American', 'Asian Briton' etc. ad nauseam.
I'm all for equal rights, but not at the expense of mangling the English language.
Quote - ...but since we're no longer considered chattel and actually get to vote...
Hey, when the hell did that happen?! ;-)
Quote - ...as daft as labelling people 'African American'...
I once saw the "Star Trek: Voyager" character "Tuvok" described as an "African American Vulcan". That made me smile.
The English language responds well to mangling. It is a mangle of previous mangles. Mangleness is one of the reasons for its great success.
I believe williamsn is technically correct in his statement and is grammatically accurate, although not very popular these days at all. A few years ago there was a feminist group who tried to get the King James version of the Bible changed as it references humankind with the word "man". Apparently that is insulting and not politically correct these days and should be therefore referenced as "peoplekind" instead. (Oh, brother).
This might be an archaic reference, but we are talking about a day and age where the word "God" has been omitted from the the Pledge of Allegiance and the term "In God We Trust" is removed from our currency. Here in San Diego, they are tearing down an old historic monument of a massive cross on a hill that has been there forever. Why? It's not constitutional now apparently. Sometimes I feel America is too free and even the most remotely idiotic crusade will be considered.
I haven't been to a grammer class in quite a few years, and there may have been political updates since then, but I was taught the same as williamsn elaborates. Perhaps it's not suitable for this site, though, which does strive for individualism and recognition.
Quote - maybe tuvok's mum was an african-american, and his dad was a vulcan. like spock's mum was an anglo-american, but his dad was a vulcan, so spock was an anglo-american vulcan.:lol: not that I'm an expert, mind you. :lol:
I've always wondered how it was possible for an alien with copper-based blood to interbreed with a human with iron-based blood?
And how every being in the universe speaks perfect late 20th/early 21st century American-style English?
And how nearly every being in the universe is humanoid in form -- with slight variations on their ridged noses?
And how a woman with a voice which sounds like she has a 3-pack-a-day habit could possibly be around to be a starship captain in the 'perfectly politically correct future' which the Star Trek mythos envisions -- after all, surely every smoker will have long since been taken out & shot by then?
Don't be a sexist. Chicks hate that.
Before they made me they broke the mold!
http://home.roadrunner.com/~kflach/
Quote - And how nearly every being in the universe is humanoid in form -- with slight variations on their ridged noses?
Actually, they kind of explained than in a TNG episode, seems an ancient precursor race (humanoid of course) seeded the galaxy with genetic material similar to theirs, which means every humanoid species in Star Trek has a common ancestor.
i've got an idea, how about we torture the programmers so that every other ebot uses the opposite gender than the previous?
So one time you'll get an email using "he" and the next one will use "she". There's the possibility that it'll still be the wrong gender sometimes, but since Renderosity will be using both gender designations equally, no one can complain that the site is sexist.
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If you're joking that's just cruel, but if you're being sarcastic, that's even worse.
Essay alert!
Quote - ...but we are talking about a day and age where the word "God" has been omitted from the the Pledge of Allegiance and the term "In God We Trust" is removed from our currency.
These things have not happened but if they ever do, the government of the United States of America will revert more closely to the secular principles of the time of its founding - a "day and age" when religious statements would have been considered impertinent to Federal matters; and when an official pledge of allegiance was more than a century and a half away.
This is not to say that the Founders were irreligious (far from it); they simply felt strongly that there should be no religious remit for the Federal government (such things best being left to individual States). That's why there is a specific clause in the First Amendment stating that there will be no Federal establishment of religion, or prohibition of religion. The focus of the Founders was on the union, and not surprisingly the national motto adopted was "E Pluribus Unum" (Out of Many, One).
From then on throughout American history there has been lobbying by religious groups and groupings to change the nature of the national government from secular to religious. There is a pattern to their so far limited success.
"IN GOD WE TRUST" was not added to US coinage until 1864. The troubled era of the Civil War led to an increase in popular religious sentiment, and enough pressure was applied to the (fairly willing) Congress to introduce religion to the affairs of the Federal government.
"IN GOD WE TRUST" was not added to US banknotes until 1957, after Congress decided to adopt this phrase as the national motto in place of "E Pluribus Unum". Again it was at a time of existential crisis for the US, when divine providence no doubt seemed a more useful ally in the face of atheistic Communism than did the First Amendment.
It was also in this era, not surprisingly, that mention of God was first inserted into the previously secular Pledge of Allegiance. The original wording, from 1892, was:
- “I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to the Republic for which it stands; one Nation, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.”*
It’s interesting to note that the Pledge of Allegiance did not become official US government policy until 1942, the era of another existential crisis. Congress adopted slightly revised wording (pointing out which flag) and dropped the accompanying right arm salute (!) in favour of the hand on heart posture.
The author of the original 1892 pledge was a Christian Socialist, which fact points rather nicely, I think, to the folly of the diversion from the secular roots of the Federal government. In Massachusetts today, an atheist teacher in a state school can be fined five dollars a day for not leading the students in a religious pledge to a republic that notionally provides him/her with liberty and justice.
A state religion leads either to the erosion of liberty or the erosion of religion. A country can end up like the Islamic Republic of Iran with brutal intolerance by a government of priests; or like England with its large quantity of empty state churches. Religious Americans should be careful of what they wish for.
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I vote that we just get rid of gender identities and use the term "it" or "its", LOL That way we've all been "neutered" so to speak :P
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
Quote - I once saw the "Star Trek: Voyager" character "Tuvok" described as an "African American Vulcan". That made me smile.
Quote - ...This whole gender neutrality thing is as daft as labelling people 'African American', 'Asian Briton' etc. ad nauseam...
Speaking of African Americans & African American Vulcans (LMAO!!) -- being of mixed heritage, you can imagine how much I am treated to the dance of politcal correctness. It's nice that people try to be so... (inoffensive? ) -- but y'know, it can be annoying.
People look at me, see brown skin, and slap that label right on me. "African American". Errr... thanks for just wiping out my Cherokee & British ancestors.
As for the Vulcan thing -- I think "Black Vulcan" sounds way cooler! C'mon... you know you do, too. :p
Quote - I've always wondered how it was possible for an alien with copper-based blood to interbreed with a human with iron-based blood?
Perhaps there was some genetic trait in common that allowed this since, in the Star Trek mythology the universe had been seeded with common genetic material.
Quote - And how every being in the universe speaks perfect late 20th/early 21st century American-style English?
Must have been the Universal Translators that were frequently seen in episodes and were often mentioned.
Quote - And how a woman with a voice which sounds like she has a 3-pack-a-day habit could possibly be around to be a starship captain in the 'perfectly politically correct future' which the Star Trek mythos envisions -- after all, surely every smoker will have long since been taken out & shot by then?
Although actress Kate Mulgrew was, at one time, a smoker, there is no evidence that Captain Janeway was ever a smoker. Janeway became a starship captain as a result of her ability and proven performance.
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It's all fun and games...
Until the flying monkeys attack!!!
Quote - Perhaps there was some genetic trait in common that allowed this since, in the Star Trek mythology the universe had been seeded with common genetic material.
They didn't interbreed. With the help of a team of a dozen scientists, Spock was created thanks to the help of invitro fertilization and genetic engineering from genetic material provided by his mother and father. They were not capable of naturally creating a healthy child. > Quote - Must have been the Universal Translators that were frequently seen in episodes and were often mentioned.
Yes, it was the translators. > Quote - Although actress Kate Mulgrew was, at one time, a smoker, there is no evidence that Captain Janeway was ever a smoker. Janeway became a starship captain as a result of her ability and proven performance.
Right-o!
-Nicholas
Quote - > Quote - Perhaps there was some genetic trait in common that allowed this since, in the Star Trek mythology the universe had been seeded with common genetic material.
They didn't interbreed. With the help of a team of a dozen scientists, Spock was created thanks to the help of invitro fertilization and genetic engineering from genetic material provided by his mother and father. They were not capable of naturally creating a healthy child.
Yes, that's true! After all, in the 25th(?) century, they wouldn't be caught dead doing things the old fashioned way, now would they?
Quote - > Quote - Must have been the Universal Translators that were frequently seen in episodes and were often mentioned.
Yes, it was the translators.
Wonderful hi-tech devices, those universal translators. Not only do they instantly translate heretofore totally unknown languages into perfectly comprehensible 20th-century style American English, but they also cause the alien speakers to lip-synch the American-English words PERFECTLY! Amazing! The aliens don't have to embarass themselves by looking like a badly dubbed Hong Kong kung fu movie -- with the lips saying one thing, and the dialog saying something else..........
Man, oh man -- I wish that I had me one of them there universal translators. Then perhaps I could understand the terminology of political correctness!
Quote - > Quote - Although actress Kate Mulgrew was, at one time, a smoker, there is no evidence that Captain Janeway was ever a smoker. Janeway became a starship captain as a result of her ability and proven performance.
Right-o!
OK -- now I get it. Captan Janeway's ancestors were smokers -- so she inherited that smoker's voice from her great grandparents. Now it all makes sense............
Lol I never said they didn't get to have fun , it's just that a human and a vulcan weren't capable of procreating naturally and creating a healthy child. The scientists had to pick and choose which life systems of each species could interoperate together and put those together genetically. For example, it was determined that it was much easier for human organs to adapt to copper-based blood than it was for vulcan organs to adapt to iron-based blood, so they decided to use the vulcan circulatory system when designing Spock. Spock, by the way, was just as much of a political event as he was a personal event for his parents, especially since his father, Sarek, was the vulcan ambassador to the Federation and his mother, Sarah, one of the Federation ambassadors to the Vulcan Civilization. That's why it was so important for Spock to be as much human as vulcan physiologically and to survive a full, healthy life. Contrary to popular belief, most vulcans really didn't like the Federation at all. They didn't like their emotions or their tendency to commercialize and militarize their explorations. However, the Federation was an important ally in the fight to keep the Klingon and Romulan Empires (the Romulans, of course, being just an emotional and rebelious spinoff of the Vulcans) from turning the entire galazy into a militarized empire. Spock was an important political move in forging the alliance between the Vulcans and the Federation. It wasn't until things really came to a head with the Borg, however, that the Vulcans and Federation were forced to truly stand together militarily, and began to appreciate each other more. Now did I just prove myself as a nerd or what? Guess that's what I get for reading all those Trekkie books :tt2: N
-Nicholas
Ya know -- I'd be willing to suspend my disbelief on the universal translator concept a bit more if they would have done it in a fashion similar to the scene in the first Dune movie. The scene where the Guild representative is clearly speaking into a translation device: his own voice saying what he's saying in his own language -- and the translated statements coming out of the device.
He wasn't simply speaking English on his own -- like all of the Star Trek characters clearly are.
Also -- the idea that the UT device could instantly begin translating a language that's never been encountered before -- with all of the nuance & subtle expression of interpersonal communication thrown in -- is a bit beyond my gullibility factor.
And another thing -- why would the Vulcans name both themselves and their world after a mythological Roman deity? A name taken from ancient human history? Perhaps they've explained that one at some point, too......but I missed it.
Of course, I've seen all of the classic Trek episodes. Many times (more times than I care to remember): although it's been years since I last sat through one. I've seen maybe 5-to-7 TNG episodes. Perhaps 2 or 3 DS9's -- perhaps. And I saw about 20 minutes of the 1st Voyager pilot episode. It was SO self-consciously politically correct that I lost interest immediately. And pretty much abandoned the Star Trek mythos as a source of interest/entertainment after that. Although I'm more-or-less familiar with most of the characters & concepts involved. Such knowledge is sort of absorbed through simply paying a small amount of attention to popular culture.
Oh, well........when one probes too deeply into fictional tales -- any fiction (be it Science fiction or otherwise) -- then you'll eventually figure out that it isn't real.
Whatever it is that's going to happen in 500 years -- I can predict with 100% accuracy that it won't look a thing like Star Trek.
A man living in 14th century Europe -- and speculating about what things were going to be like in the 21st century -- such a man would have been just about as accurate as Star Trek.
Men in any given era always like to pride themselves in being far, far smarter than their ignorant ancestors were.
Welcome to the future.
"Ya know -- I'd be willing to suspend my disbelief on the universal translator concept a bit more if they would have done it in a fashion similar to the scene in the first Dune movie."
Yes that was quite believable, since the device would have been programmed with translation software for known languages.
Some future predictions have worked. Asimov's stories featured hand-held computers, and he effectively forecast the Web with the concept of Multivac, although that was a single gigantic, all-knowing server with terminals all over the world rather than distributed networking.
Quote - Of course, I've seen all of the classic Trek episodes...
...And I saw about 20 minutes of the 1st Voyager pilot episode. It was SO self-consciously politically correct that I lost interest immediately. And pretty much abandoned the Star Trek mythos as a source of interest/entertainment after that.
Perhaps this charts the course of what might be termed "liberalism" from a progressive beginning to a conservative ending. The interesting, radical, untested notions of an idealistic protest movement become the tired, unresponsive doctrines of a reactionary, stupid establishment.
For science fiction and futurism, it's pretty fatal to have your ideas shown to be not only old-fashioned but unworkable. Cheap plot devices like "universal translators" or "matter-energy transporters" may be laughable, but they somehow get a pass because they're so far from our ordinary experience that they still seem vaguely possible. But concepts like moral and cultural relativism have been tested in the real world of the present day, found to be wanting, and discarded.
Except in what terms itself "the reality-based community". They still get a buzz out of the unitard reruns.
I can more readily believe in universal translators & matter transporters than I can believe in the perfectibility of Mankind (I use the term without any nod to PC-ism). Particularly not when all of what's encompassed in the modern philosophical system known collectively as "liberalism" has been tried before. Many times over, in fact. We now speak of the societies which opted for such thinking in the past tense.........historically, the "liberal" ideas were generally adopted & infused into the culture within the last century or so before those no-longer-extant societies collapsed. If anyone thinks that there might be a pattern -- well.....there is one.
These ideas aren't new. And they aren't modern. They are as old as human history. It's been done. There is no need to look forward to the 25th century to see the results of such thinking. Just look back over where we've been -- it's all there.
Our technology is getting better. But we aren't. We're just going back over old ground again. Remember: one of the definitions of insanity is trying the same thing over & over again -- and expecting a different result each time.
BTW - I can imagine a matter transporter: but I'd also tend to think that any living thing sent through one would be very dead when it was re-assembled on the other end of the process. Being torn into constituent atoms & then put back together again might be theoretically possible -- but I'd say that the process would kill anything alive. It would be an experience equivalent to being ripped apart, thrown over a long distance, and then glued back together -- not a good thing for one's health. But the concept of matter transport might work OK for inorganic cargo. If they can ever get the physics right. Which, IIRC, they've sort of told us is a pipe dream, anyway. But it's a neat idea. X-Men / Marvel comics-type mutations are a neat fantasy, too. Given the opportunity, who wouldn't want to sprout wings and fly?
What the transporters also don't deal with is any concept of a soul or spiritual world. If, as many believe, such a thing exists, would a matter transporter rip one's body from one's soul or would the spiritual componant of life accompany the physical portion in its' travels, and then re-assemble? And if you could use a mechanical device to take matter appart and then re-assemble it in another location, could you not also manipulate the reassembly to 'improve' the matter's original assembly - in other words, who'd need liposuction?
Before they made me they broke the mold!
http://home.roadrunner.com/~kflach/
So................anyway....back to the original question
If I add someones pic to my favs will they still get an ebot saying 'gillbrooks has added ... to HIS favourite images' ??
I already get mistaken for being a bloke so I don't need evil ebots adding to the confusion
I just don't have the necessary dangly bits to be a him !!!!
Gill
Topic drift can be fun! :biggrin: Especially when it goes where no man has ever gone before.......! I can just hear the theme music now..........hmmmm....hmmmm....hm hm hm hmmm hmmm........
Uh....I mean......
Beyond
The rim of the star-light
My love
Is wand'ring in star-flight
I know
He'll find in star-clustered reaches
Love,
Strange love a star woman teaches.
I know
His journey ends never
His star trek
Will go on forever.
But tell him
While he wanders his starry sea
Remember, remember me.
((Written by Gene Roddnberry, so that he could claim half of the royalties from the performance of the Star Trek theme.))
http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/trek1.htm
Back to your regularly scheduled ebots..........................
I hope that they can get this ebot thing worked out. Perhaps by making it gender-specific.
Oh my - if only I had a phaser !!!
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Quote - Topic drift can be fun! :biggrin: Especially when it goes where no man has ever gone before.......! I can just hear the theme music now..........hmmmm....hmmmm....hm hm hm hmmm hmmm........
Uh....I mean......
Beyond
The rim of the star-light
My love
Is wand'ring in star-flight
I know
He'll find in star-clustered reaches
Love,
Strange love a star woman teaches.
I know
His journey ends never
His star trek
Will go on forever.
But tell him
While he wanders his starry sea
Remember, remember me.((Written by Gene Roddnberry, so that he could claim half of the royalties from the performance of the Star Trek theme.))
http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/trek1.htm
Back to your regularly scheduled ebots..........................
I hope that they can get this ebot thing worked out. Perhaps by making it gender-specific.
Gill
Quote - Oh my - if only I had a phaser !!!
:sneaky:
Try Photon Torpedoes -- let 'em have it!
I hope that the ebots thing can be made to work as well for you as your ecosystems do for others, Gill.
Political correctness sometimes gets to me! I hate it when someone says I'm vertically challanged..LOL. And no, you can't always tell by a name if someone is male or female, we had an insurance man named Beverly. The US gave a woman trouble years back because she refused to be drafted into the army...her name was James (this was when they still had a draft). I think it would be better using one of these Karen mentioned as well..." Your image was added to favourites by XXX" "XXX added your image as a favourite" "Your image was added to XXX's favourite images list"
Let me introduce you to my multiple personalities. :)
BluEcho...Faery_Light...Faery_Souls.
People are too dang sensitive. I'm indian, I don't give a crap if they name baseball tems the braves or the souix or whatever. It doesn't hurt me.
I don't care if they pray at football games.
I don't care if they have the 10 commandments in a courthouse or a nativity scene on the lawn.
I don't care if san diego has a cross on city property.
People need to be concerned with matters that genuinely hurt people instead of this petty bullshit.
Yes, I call women girtls and chicks, and I've been known to call one or two broads every now and then. So what? Ask anyone who knows me and they'll all tell you you won't find a person who loves and respects women and treats them as more equals than I do.
People ae too damn sensitive.
Now where's my flying car, dammit.
Talent is God's gift to you. Using it is your gift to God.
Well said bonestructure, one of my pet hates is on forms:_
'For equal rights please let us know which of the following groups you belong to .........'
Surely if the company is exercising equal rights it shouldn't give a fig which group belong to. It's all about attitude, I'm proud that I have friends of every race, colour, creed and both sexes, my world would be a duller place without them, the one thing all of them has is a respect for each other and each other's beliefs, I shared my office with a seikh for five years (just the two of us) and he is one of the most incredible, gentle, world loving, caring guys I've had the luck to meet I really cannot understand why anyone would dislike the guy because he has a turban on, but I've seen it happen shame on those people.
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Heheh, knew that'd get your attention.
Just a little nit though - I got an ebot today saying :
Gill,
This is a notification that xxxxxx has added your image titled "DarkWorld Unicorn" to his favorite images list! xxxxxx also included the following comments:
xxxxxx used to keep id private but I know for sure that xxxxxxx is a she not a he.
Would it be better to change the wording to 'their' rather than 'he'??
Gill (who is a she that often gets mistaken for a he enough already!!)
Gill