Hi... I know it's not up to the admin...it's the merchant's choice, but I am so frustrated at the over-abundance of DS items... I love to shop, am one of the best "shop-a-holics" for 3d items...have been for YEARS...and I used to spend at least $100 to $200 HERE per month! But now, I may spend $75 at most, maybe every 2 or 3 months... My favorite talented merchants have just given up on Poser...and not even the easier to create textures for - good old Poser 10 (I use Poser 2014, which is 10 with bells and whistles)... while Poser 11's superfly is a different animal, meaning the merchants have double the work to make a product for BOTH Poser firefly and superfly, there are STILL plenty of us dedicated Poser 10 users, or even with P11 - FIREFLY render users... I just wish there was a way to get more clothing for poser- let alone for HiveWire's Dusk and Dawn, Diva and Luna figures... I do buy dynamic clothing to use for Dawn and Dusk because I can often get V4's clothes to fit that way...or Cross Dresser....

PLEASE - Sveva, Fabiana, RPublishing, (spell?) BillyT, or Idler 168, lilflame, out of touch, ilona, ironman13, Powerage, to name a few....won't you consider 'coming home' to Poser sometimes?

THANKS GOODNESS for merchants like Flink, and Shaaramuse3D, and Karanta (sometimes) still making items for Poser! I also appreciate the skin resources for Dawn by 3Dream, the hair and brows, etc. from Buscuits... so I still have a few reasons for checking out the New Poser section every other week or so...

I just had to speak up for the 'silent majority'... Poser is NOT going away... there are still many of us older users who's brains can't deal with DS, and love Poser... heck, I myself am still LEARNING poser.... I now LOVE the Cloth room (and I am even learning to convert some conforming clothes to dynamic, because of the desperate need for fantasy or period clothing for DUSK, etc..... and writing up tutorials with pictures... - like if I CAN DO IT, ANYONE CAN kind of thing...I'm also learning the HAIR ROOM, no less...

Thanks for listening.... Renderosity is still one of THE gallery/community places I use most often...

Lyne Lyne's Creation

PS I have most of Propschick's that are posers too... the thing with use poser fantatics, no matter how HUGE our runtimes are, we always WANT to buy bright shiny new things!!!

THANK YOU also to Ali and the HR # hairs...I buy 99% of those!

I too am a Poser user, and I miss the times of tons of new releases for Poser. I'll point the vendors in the direction of this post. It might do some good.

It needed to be said and thank you Lyne!

Remember jenn the emails I sent you almost 2 years ago about all the over production of easy to made stuff? That is what I meant.

I don't understand what you are saying @greenpots. What do you mean easy made stuff? Send me an email if you do not want to post it here.

I couldn't agree with this more. I've been using Poser for 20+ years, it would at least be cool to see more daz pops switched over to Poser.

I love new Poser stuff too, though for a little while there won't be much of it for me because the money has to go to college books and I have to save for a new computer and a few other things that are more urgent than new Poser toys.

My products for the foreseeable future here will be Poser only. New and unusual bicycle for Poser coming very soon I hope, plus textures for some of the V4 and M4 clothing here. I cannot yet use Dawn or Dusk, not till I get a new computer and that won't happen until near the end of 2018 or early 2019.

I hope you will check out Tempesta3d's store and the Business Suit IV for V4 and Business Suit V for V4. 3D-Age has a lot of clothing of varying types for V4. Textures for those two suits are my current Poser work projects, to turn the two suits into a mix-n-match set. I aim to make them look like serious business suits, not overly fancy but very smart. Japanese silk shirts, wool and silk suit fabrics, that kind of thing. Whether those appeal or not I hope you get lots more Poser content for your runtime.

I started in Poser, and have recently, in the last half dozen years or so, adopted Daz as well.

But I will ALWAYS continue to support Poser, and have NEVER stopped supporting it either.

~Wolfie~

And thank you Lyne for your support over the years!!!

~Wolfie~

I will never stop doing items for Poser myself, as it was my first 3d love and still is. I am in fact currently ending a M4 character. I still have many requests for V4 also and I adore Dawn and Dusk and I think I am one of the very few who makes characters for Pauline and Paul. Karanta is incredible with her creations for them <3

I am so happy to read that people still love Poser and support us content creators who use it. Let's keep the love on, I am all for it!

thanks to Lyne for the post. My few products (add-on) are all for Poser. Surely I would like to see many more beautiful models built for Poser to work on it

Thanks so much Jenn and everyone!! Wolfie, I do buy your items, thanks! :) There is a lot of talk over at HiveWire, about exporting obj's out of DAZ to be set up in Poser, but I don't know all the technical end of that...HW venders work very hard and often get help from each other on how to make DS items for poser too.

and FYI - I do talk about Rendo - Poser products and credit them at HiveWire and in my own home gallery too!

Unless a vendor is still into poser they will make things that will give them the biggest return, which I can totally understand, The only reason I still make poser content is that I am still love Poser, but I make more sales with Daz content. I have great hopes that Project E will reinvigorate Poser.

I am a dedicated Poser user and content creator. I would LOVE to see more new clothing for Poser that I do expansions for...

I supported Poser for a very long time and would like to support Poser again if it is profitable.

I think part of the problem is what character is profitable to support in Poser? There are now so many Poser characters and of course most of us are supporting G3 and G8.

I could not find a way to support G8 in Poser. She did not bend properly when I tried working with her. G3 is fine but profitability was not so great although it may have changed.

It seems to me Poser users are still using V4?

I think the best solution that would bring ALL of us profitability, (vendors and Renderosity) would be if Blacksmith could convert FROM G3 TO V4.

PBR: Since a lot of vendors are using PBR materials ByteFactory3D PBR-Emulator FIREFLY will quickly convert PBR materials to Firefly and can be used in Poser 9 +.

I have used it and it works very well. It's easy to use and quick to learn. The merchant version is a bit pricey. Maybe ByteFactory3D would run a sale for us. That would give us the PBR quality in Poser.

Basically a combination of a Blacksmith G3-to V4 and the PBR emulator would give vendors a fairly quick easy way to convert our G3-G8 products to V4 with the quality of our PBR materials that would be accessible to Poser user from Poser 9+. We could still do our base development for DS and have a quick conversion path to Poser. I think we could increase both Renderosity and vendor profit per product with that path.

Cheerio lululee

Although I'm not very prolific and my stuff - such as it is - is somewhat niche, or specialist, I'm fully committed to supporting Poser and will be releasing more content later in the year, both free and for pay. I've had - and am still having - a lot of RL stuff to deal with, which is playing hob with my concentration. A little free, quiet time is all I need to get things moving along.

I can fully understand the frustration of Poser users, seeing as how users of other software (ahem) have lots of shiny new things to play with on a daily basis. As it stands, my stuff is, and will continue to be non figure specific. More to the point, I don't make clothes, characters, shoes or stuff like that, so anything of mine should be able to be used alongside any figure.

I continue to support Poser.

I don't know if people would be interested, but I thought I'd mention them just in case. I just released three sets of "Fabric Frenzy" material sets, which are all tileable textures (including ALL PBR texture maps like diffuse, normal, height, specular, gloss, metal, and roughness), and preset shaders for both FireFly and SuperFly. There are cottons, leathers, and wools (and I have many more planned). Since they are tileable, they can be used on just about any clothing and will render in both FireFly and SuperFly. This isn't meant to be an advertisement, but they can be used to breathe some SuperFly life into older clothing that doesn't have SuperFly shaders. And the cottons in particular are designed so you can easily change colors or use your own fabric patterns while still keeping all the underlying bumps, normals, etc.

And then Chuck (aka Nerd3D) and I created Maisie, which is a weight-mapped toon figure for Poser. A LOT of content was created for her as well. I realize a lot of people aren't into toons, but she really is a lot of fun to play with.

As for PBR textures, Poser 11 can easily use them, by the way. The PoserSurface node uses specular and gloss maps for shine and reflection, whereas the Physical Surface Node is happiest with metallic and roughness maps. Use the PoserSurface node to render in FireFly, and use the Physical Surface node to render in SuperFly. FF and SF shaders can live happily side by side.

I plan to continue creating stuff for Poser ... but I am not sure which figures everyone is interested in.

Couldn't agree more! I've bought stuff recently for the first time in years (Just got back into Poser from a VERY long hiatus) and every time I peruse the MP, it's G8, G8, G8, G8, DS Only...

HELLOooooooo.. we're still quite a few Poser users out here.

I have an idea that all the fancy DForce-stuff would be REALLY easy to market to Poser users as well. We've after all had Dynamic Cloth since Poser 5! - but nooo .. weird unusable formats only. If the merchants that make DForce stuff would just supply the OBJ ... I can clothify that really easy ... sigh

Oh and another thing that REALLY irks me... Something Rosity should actually work on... "My Picks" in the MP .. are 99% DS only stuff... Helloo again.. I'm listed as a Poser user. Show me POSER STUFF. I am NOT going to switch to DS, the damned thing won't even RUN properly on my computer. Show me the new things for POSER. And CHANGE the Sponsored ads to show POSER STUFF. Surely it's not rocket science.

So please, vendors .. keep making stuff for the Gen 4 figures. M4 and V4. At the moment, I'm rendering an image with Mike 3 - but I do realise no one dares to touch that old stuff with a bargepole. Too bad, really, but well... I'll happily settle for something for his younger cousin ;) (just remember with the subdivision feature in P11, the older figures DO get a new life. They look really NICE in Superfly. I mean .. this is Posette ...

Hum personally...I always make my content for Poser and I will try to always do it...but you know...it's the demand that makes the offer, and a lot of customers go on DS (because its free, because its new, etc) so a lot of vendors make content for DS...I can say that I suffer a lot of that because when you put days and days to make a product for Poser, and you finally see that a lot of people go on DS more and more...in ignoring Poser content, it's a bit discouraging (financially and mentally)... so I can understand that vendors do more and more content for DS because I'm thinking to do the same thing a day or another...I think its a 2 ways problem...

I should buy poser and train myself but it will take a long while before I'm competent enough to release a product that is poser ready.

As I have told a friend.

I dont know the first thing about Poser. I've never used it more then 2 hours of my life. I would need to learn how Poser works. How to export. Import. Lighting, surfaces, its a whole other universe. I dont even know how to "pose" in poser. Let alone make high quality Poser ready materials for Genesis 2-3-8.

I have stuff up in MY STORE for buyers (it's for lightwave 3d users). I am however, looking to get my products rigged in poser for poser native users, so if you are a poser content creator who can convert my lightwave files to poser content, please email me at: yakecen@hotmail.com Perhaps we can do a 50/50 split deal on renderosity if you have a merchant account on here.

K, well I bought Poser... But its going to take some time before I really know what I'm doing.

Folks, i am still in it as a content creator. Still doing poser stuff. ANd love it. So check out my store folks....

Thank you Lyne for this heartwarming post!

Poser vendors can definitely use some more appreciation, It takes a lot of courage and faith to swim against the current instead of to go with the flow.

I'm really sorry Lyne for your frustration that I understand very well. As you quote me I must explain to you the reasons why I do not develop more for Poser.

1/ The first and most frustrating reason for me is that I can not use Poser anymore. Indeed my Poser 2012 was installed on my old computer which unfortunately went out of order. And I have no backup of the installation file, and unlike DAZ or we can download years after the content that we bought it is not the case at Smith Micro. I bought the latest version of Poser and was so disappointed with the Pauline character that I asked for a refund and it motivated me to learn DS and devoted myself to him.

2/ Before I was only doing the Poser, despite a multitude of messages that asked me to do for DS. Doing for DS and Poser would imply almost double the workl, for prices lower and lower in this market, it is not viable. And if I had to change for DS, it was by constraint because the sales for Poser were done less and less.

3/ The day or Poser will be able to be delivered with decent characters, certainly that I would be interested again.

4/ As mentioned above, supply and demand are the basic rules of the market. And currently it is clear that this benefits to DS. Poser vegetates for years and from what I read, it does not seem to move in the right direction.

In an ideal world, DS would not exist and DAZ would have bought Poser and improved it, today the customer would not be cut in half.

```I still love Poser.
But it was easier to create conforming clothes for non weightmapping figures.
Nowadays it´s frustrating, you can add jcms and more jcms and Morphs and you will still not be satisfied.
When posing and shaping you get pokethroughs.
I don´t know if those pieces can pass QA, maybe it is normal that Poser User will use Fitting room and morphbrush.
But i don´t know, so i stop doing stuff for new Poser figures. Last Thing was a Leggings for PE and i have Problems with the dynamic and conforming Piece.
I bought a few easier to handle figures, maybe i will do some stuff for that.
But for 5 - 10 Poser customers it´s just to expensive this long workflow. 
I personally don´t think that V4 or M4 Need new stuff...maybe fresh textures.
I will see if i can update some old stuff.

uhmmm, seems to me that Poser is become more of a help-youself software, so users tend to be folk who can twiddle and tweak settings a bit for themselves. Which means Poser content should be more basic - not sub-par qulaity - but that users can and will make adjustments as they build their own scenes. I think - just my own opinion - that Poser users need not be catered to based on the old plug-and-play content model. Perhaps this is something that Renderosity business folk can discuss with content creators.

I'm selling models in Poser format since 2004. I will continue to do so since I don't model characters or outfits. Nothing in my store is obsolete (ok, maybe lower polys or textures). I am aware of demands from DS customers, but if I create only shader files for 3delight or Iray they can use my models with full capacity. So, Poser in first place, full support for DS.

infinity10 posted at 11:29AM Sun, 04 March 2018 - #4325534

uhmmm, seems to me that Poser is become more of a help-youself software, so users tend to be folk who can twiddle and tweak settings a bit for themselves. Which means Poser content should be more basic - not sub-par qulaity - but that users can and will make adjustments as they build their own scenes. I think - just my own opinion - that Poser users need not be catered to based on the old plug-and-play content model. Perhaps this is something that Renderosity business folk can discuss with content creators.

Yes... and they do think if the product works after they tweak things, that every vendor can do that too and upload products. But those products don´t pass QA. For QA the product has to be better and work without much tweaking. Personally i like it too when it works well without tweaking. I have a lot of stuff that i don´t upload, i can work with that very good, but it would not pass QA. For me that Weightmapping in Poser was really the Dead for my conforming clothes. But, maybe thats only my Problem..whatever..i am also not on that vendor list above ..lol. So...doesn´t matter at all if i do something or not.

powerage posted at 11:36AM Sun, 04 March 2018 - #4325532

3/ The day or Poser will be able to be delivered with decent characters, certainly that I would be interested again.

Exactly, we need Poser to realy fight back... they can't expect content creators will do the job for them if they don't invest enough money to lead the market! Poser is still amazing but we need outstanding characters to work on.

I've heard the complaints about less Poser content way too many times... I've been there myself too before becoming an admin... but it's not only the vendors fault and that has to be said as well!

Poser users stopped buying Poser products even when available. I am mostly an addons creator myself and I refuse to believe that my quality had fallen so much to be abandoned even by my most loyal customers, yet it happened. I lost more than half my montly income by being loyal and 100% Poser - fell off top-sellers for the first time in the last 2 decades!

When the monthly revenue of your income doesn't make ends meet.. you are not left with much choices I'm afraid!

I will never turn to DS but I can't expect my store to support my family anymore either or be paid for my time on any new product I might create!

This is why I no longer blame any other vendor who's turned completely to DS & I've settled with the fact that from this point on I'll be just a "hobbist" Poser vendor .. no longer a pro!

Rena

It sounds like the solution is products that work on both. I notice a lot of vendors point out how to get their products to work in the alternate software.
I have both DS and Poser, but I am very much a Poser over DS person (having learned Poser first).

Hello everybody!

I am a seller here and unfortunately I can only provide products for DAZ Studio or files in OBJ. Poser is very expensive to purchase and difficult for me to learn how to use it. I had the opportunity to test it a long time ago a trial version without success. However my sales partner owns Poser. Maybe he can convert my products from DS to Poser!

On my freebies you can see which side I'm on. I'm a fan of V4 and I just think she is the best figure for Poser. I'm not really a seller anymore, because of my health I just went in pension, but I'm still a poser user and I check every day if I see something new that I COULD buy. It is right COULD buy, because I would buy a lot more if there would be a chance. I'm now since 2004 in Poser and I bought really nearly everything what looked good and I could use for pinups. I wrote to a lot of seller if they could not make some things also for Poser, but got always the answer, that would be too much work. All the years Poser user financed the living(I know that best) for a lot of merchants and now they left us down like a hot potato. I will not give names but I'm really disapointed. My folders are full with stuff from this merchants and now we are for them too much work. If I see how many times my freebies are downloaded I can tell you also a lot of new people love poser but have so less choice to get clothes and hair for them. It is annoying to see all the great hair OOT makes now and we have no chance to get at least sometime one inbetween also for V4. Or look at the sexy new close for the new generation?? We would also like to dress our character that way. We don't expect the same amount of stuff for Poser than for DAZ but at least sometime inbetween also the topseller could make a nice outfit or hair also for Poser. It want help that we protest,but at least I did say what I feel!!!

I love Poser and I work with the 10 it will continue to be my 3d program, although I also work with Daz, but in Poser you can do more than in Daz. Yes, and I think it's a pity that there are almost only DAZ_ stuff here. I'm always looking for something new but you can hardly find anything anymore. It's a shame therefore. Therefore, I also appeal to the manufacturers why do you do only Daz stuff.?

And thanks Lyne for opening this topic

Ich liebe Poser und ich arbeite mit dem 10 es wird auch weiterhin mein 3d Programm bleiben ,obwohl ich auch mit Daz arbeite , aber in Poser kann man einfach mehr machen als in Daz. Ja und ich finde es auch sehr schade das es fast nur noch DAZ_ Sachen hier gibt.Ich bin ständig auf der Suche nach neuem doch man findet fast nichts mehr es ist sehr schade darum. Daher appelliere ich auch mal an die Hersteller warum macht ihr nur noch Daz Sachen.?

Und danke Lyne das du dieses Thema eröffnet hast

I'm on poser side altogether, and the things I make are for Poser. The abundance of G8 stuff here is the main reason I'm shopping so very little at the MP... that being said, maybe V4 especially has just been too long around? There are already so many things to be had, especially if we talk of skimpy clothing (although in some departments, i.e. really decent period clothing, there's really little to be had). Another Story are Dusk and Dawn. It's really a pity that those two are more or less left alone.

I began 3D with Poser a long time ago and made some stuff for V4. But really I don't like their render engine at all. It's so difficult to get good materials, even after hours of trying. Daz is easier to use, the workspace is clearer, so I understand that lots of people go to daz with their Genesis figure who is very versatile. But, I don't like their politics concerning the game market. I will try to make my items for both or include the obj files if this can help. I mostly do props, so if there is anyone out there knowing materials in Poser, I would be glad to work with.

All our products are POSER content, lately including Superfly and Firefly support. The sales for Poser native content are (to say the least) poor during the past 4 or 5 years, but I stick with Poser because in my oppinion (over the past 15 years) Poser is the better software, in that it leaves all the liberty to the user, while DAZ-Studio has more and more closed up, using cryptografic file formats, preventing users from 'working under the hood, if they like'. I do use DAZ-Studio as a teacher at school, because for students a freeware software is just a good start. So I do know DAZ-Studio quite well. However I hate the philosophy of automatization and making things more and more complicated so that new users become completely depending on automated libraries and one click whatever, instead of learning a deeper understanding, looking into cr2 or obj files and learn how they work. So I tell my students, DAZ-Studio is fine for a quick first introduction and quickly getting 'click one button to quickly make pseudo art' solutions, but if you want to be in full control of everything, go for professional open software like Poser, or even Lightwave, because they don't restrict you with cryptic file formats which can nowhere be found documented... Even Firefly can use PBR materials, Superfly even more, and if you want more you can still go for Lux-Render (through Reality plugin or whatever else), Poser leaves you all the liberty. My 5 pennies, sorry for my anger, am frustrated about the aggressive marketing strategy of DAZ spilling DAZ-Studio for free to make customers depending on their expensive content, and to starve good professional software from the market. Monopoly at its worst... I'm now abandoning content creation as a real income. But I prefer giving up instead of surrendering to DAZ. Others may chose the money instead, its fine, its everybody's individual choice. The Project E character is a killer, it is what was needed so desperately for Poser. A male character of the same make would be all there is needed for the next years to make awsome use in Poser. But still there are customers who are just too lazy to learn a little about handling 3D content, and who prefer the 'one click fully automized' environment in DAZ-Studio. Telling 'I want to make art, but I don't want to learn or read a manual, my art must come out of the machine with a single click of a button. Automated clothing, automated pose, automates lighting, automated camera position, am I not such a great artist???'. Wonderful new world of DAZ Studio, congratulations.

I still use only Poser. All of my remaining store products were made in Poser. I haven't been very active in content creation due to personal circumstances. In early 2016, the computer malfunctioned. It took me until August 2016 to get back up and running with a Poser-capable, but low-end PC. In early 2017, the external drive that housed my runtimes malfunctioned. At the same time, I found my backup external unresponsive. To add insult to injury, this PC can only read about one in every three content backup CDs or DVDs. So, I've been rebuilding runtimes from scratch. I'm troubleshooting each item as I go, so it's very slow going indeed...

As a customer, I buy Poser stuff. As the cost of real world necessities have gone up, my Poser budget has been ever-shrinking because Poser-related items price have risen too and each dollar can only be spent once.

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greenpots posted at 1:16AM Mon, 05 March 2018 - #4325495

Remember jenn the emails I sent you almost 2 years ago about all the over production of easy to made stuff? That is what I meant.

Yeah Greenpots, I did the same in a content creator survey run by Renderosity, about a year ago. It didn't help. Place is crowded with that kind of stuff, while products which take a month or so to develop quickly get burried in the marketplace and bring no refund of all the efforts put into them. That's why I'm giving up.

But ... guys ... "nobody" uses the native Poser figures anyway. Stop pulling out your hair over the weightmapping issue and make some stuff for V4/M4. There's still plenty of mileage left in those.

Stop making it harder. It's not.

Also, props and scenes for Poser wilk at least load in DS. Not so the other way around. Poser can't read .daz or whatever they're called. But DS can open .pp2's.

So why cut yourself off from a big userbase by making everything DS exclusive? Be INCLUSIVE - and sell more!

ByteFactory3D posted at 1:07PM Mon, 05 March 2018 - #4325576

All our products are POSER content, lately including Superfly and Firefly support. The sales for Poser native content are (to say the least) poor during the past 4 or 5 years, but I stick with Poser because in my oppinion (over the past 15 years) Poser is the better software, in that it leaves all the liberty to the user, while DAZ-Studio has more and more closed up, using cryptografic file formats, preventing users from 'working under the hood, if they like'. I do use DAZ-Studio as a teacher at school, because for students a freeware software is just a good start. So I do know DAZ-Studio quite well. However I hate the philosophy of automatization and making things more and more complicated so that new users become completely depending on automated libraries and one click whatever, instead of learning a deeper understanding, looking into cr2 or obj files and learn how they work. So I tell my students, DAZ-Studio is fine for a quick first introduction and quickly getting 'click one button to quickly make pseudo art' solutions, but if you want to be in full control of everything, go for professional open software like Poser, or even Lightwave, because they don't restrict you with cryptic file formats which can nowhere be found documented... Even Firefly can use PBR materials, Superfly even more, and if you want more you can still go for Lux-Render (through Reality plugin or whatever else), Poser leaves you all the liberty. My 5 pennies, sorry for my anger, am frustrated about the aggressive marketing strategy of DAZ spilling DAZ-Studio for free to make customers depending on their expensive content, and to starve good professional software from the market. Monopoly at its worst... I'm now abandoning content creation as a real income. But I prefer giving up instead of surrendering to DAZ. Others may chose the money instead, its fine, its everybody's individual choice. The Project E character is a killer, it is what was needed so desperately for Poser. A male character of the same make would be all there is needed for the next years to make awsome use in Poser. But still there are customers who are just too lazy to learn a little about handling 3D content, and who prefer the 'one click fully automized' environment in DAZ-Studio. Telling 'I want to make art, but I don't want to learn or read a manual, my art must come out of the machine with a single click of a button. Automated clothing, automated pose, automates lighting, automated camera position, am I not such a great artist???'. Wonderful new world of DAZ Studio, congratulations.

Are you serious? This post is insulting and inaccurate in so many ways... :/

Is this just a free for all thread now? Or do the TOS apply?

JudibugDesigns posted at 8:23PM Sun, 04 March 2018 - #4325507

I am a dedicated Poser user and content creator. I would LOVE to see more new clothing for Poser that I do expansions for...

I noticed that...I love the little shoes...is there any way you can set them up for HiveWire's Luna? I would love the set for her. :)

I think one big problem for creating content for a figure is that IF there isn't much content, the figure gets used less... the more content, the more folks will USE a particular character... I myself can't stand Poser's native figures, BUT there is a LOT of users now using Dawn... yes, the clothing for Dawn, Dusk, etc. use weight mapping, and I've herd there is a learning curve... however, there are a LOT of extremely helpful people to give advice and the 'how to' deal with those issues over at HiveWire... Frankly Dawn and Dusk are the most use-able figures in that they pose beautifully RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX, without those pesky distortions!! One of our merchants - Lully (who sells here too) does DYNAMIC clothes for Dawn and so I THINK those don't require weight mapping?! Creating SKINS/CHARACTERS for her, Dusk and the others would of course benefit tremendously from some of the gorgeous skins I often see here at Rendo!!!!!!!!! I often wish venders like Madalerium (spell) would make skins for her.... 3Dream has the merchant resources to get that started. I bought the skin map conversion software, but it simply does not do the job very well, so I don't like to use it (the eyes do not end up where they should, etc.) I would much rather have skins made FOR the HiveWire humans!!!

Jenn - what are the folks talking about when they say that Poser items won't pass the QA because they are not ready to use without tweaking? I am confused on what they are saying... poser users love BOTH - things that can be used 'right out of the box' AND many just love to also 'tweak' items in poser BECAUSE THEY CAN! I LOVE to LEARN, it keeps my mind young... the tweaking I do most often is simply to change some settings in the material room to my personal preference = like turning down specularity... or I open a texture in photoshop simply to change the color hue to work for a particular piece.... I love being able to 'get under the hood' with Poser...

ANYWAY, it still seems to me the bottom line is MORE SALES would come along if there were MORE PRODUCTS to choose from? I do understand that the younger generation (who grew up with a computer to use starting at age 5) just grab the FREE Daz Studio and go... and THOSE people would, I guess, want products to just use as they come...they don't want to do any tweaking...

A big plus for me, is that firefly is VERY FAST (way faster and doesn't tie up my computer so I have to go without while it's rendering for HOURS - as I have heard it takes to get a really high quality render out of DS)....

I KNOW that sales push the market, I really do understand folks!! But when things are just not made for poser so we don't have any CHOICE in what we'd like to buy....well it's sort of a self fulfilling thing... not enough to BUY, so sales are low...

I think V4 has run her course... I bought ALL THE FIXES that folks made for her poor body over the years so I could have what I get OUT OF THE BOX with Dawn... but every time I try and go back to use her, I just get frustrated, because she is just NOT as posing friendly as Dawn is...

AND A NOTE TO ALL THE POSER MERCHANTS who have posted here...I have bought many of your products as well, and I appreciate it so much! I think you would not continue making poser content if it were not selling fairly well?!

I realize that right now, that the number of Poser users are much less, compared to DS... Smith Micro has messed up BUT IS NOT GIVING UP on that software...and to me the SERIOUS artist prefer Poser...yes, it takes a bit longer to learn, (as I said, I'm STILL learning, and LOVE TO LEARN) but it's worth it to me because I am a serious (yes, hobby, but serious hobbyist) ARTIST... who also does not have TIME to let her machine sit rendering for hours...

Thank you again, to the merchants who strive to do Poser format items!

So, I wrote a sizable post here yesterday and the deleted it by accident. It was too long for me to replicate, but here's the short version of what I said:

1. Poser isn't free and content it comes with is ugly by default (I'm talking about character models of course). You need to purchase the software and content that's bearable to look at (like V4). DS on the other hand is free itself and its default content is better looking.
2. DS seems to be more actively evolving and it's going in the right direction, improving content and adding features and doing it more frequently - it has a promising future.
3. For a new content creator there's more learning material for DS. The content creation tutorials for Poser are severely outdated. - although this could be just my personal experience. Nevertheless, it has influenced my decision to go in DS's direction.

All that said, I still have planned to expand my future content creation to include Poser, but that's not due to developers at Smith Micro doing anything that would encourage me.

For what it's worth, the few things Sanbie and I have left in our store are for V4 and Poser, although they do work in DS as well.. Thank you for this post Lyne, much appreciated.. We need a like button on posts so we can click it if we appreciate what someone says

Thanks for starting this thread Lyne :)

I want to answer, because I read the sentence: "THANKS GOODNESS for merchants like Flink, and Shaaramuse3D, and Karanta (sometimes) still making items for Poser!" Thanks for this kind words, but I don't understand the "sometimes" behind my name. All my 3D products are 100% for Poser. I never release DS products, because I usually seldom use DS.

You will find products for a lot of different figures in my store: V4, Miki 3+4, PE, Luna, Dawn, Dusk, Maisie - just to name a few of them. There are even still a few older products for A3, NearMe, Laura and the K4 Kids for example in my store.

I had a longer pause in making something new, because I did other (non Poser / DS related ) work. The only time (long ago) I did DS products was when I made comissioned products for the Daz Platinum Club.

But I have to admit that now and then I am thinking about making something for G8/DS. The only reason I don't do it is that I really prefer to work with Poser. I'm even one of the few people who are making something for Pauline :)

Sales were a lot better some time ago. I'm in the lucky position that I also do other mostly 2D related work and don't rely on the money I earn with Poser products. If this would be my only income there is no way I could make a living with it any more. Not even if I would work 12+ hours a day / 7 days a week ;)

(sorry about my bad English)

..... maybe you will ask yourself "why is she still making Poser stuff if the situation is not that great" :)

The main reason is that I still love Poser. And I highly doubt this will ever change. It's not just about the money ;)

I keep making my products for Poser. https://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/vendor/JeffersonAF