Woah, relax! I am definitely not saying that people that don't use genitals in their models are weird. That's none of my business. You'd have to explain to me where I said that because I'd apologise instantly for it. Even I will use models without genitals, it saves memory! 

This thread is about making a 3D figure and one of the things is gens. You really don't need to read it if you don't like it, especially if you feel uncomfortable with it. 

Renderotica and Renderosity have slightly different crowds, and I've been with the guys on renderotica for quite a while and I know quite a lot about the preferences there. I've learned a bunch about modelling over there too. And yup, it is definitely more erotica-orientated than over here. That's fine, obviously. 

However, over here, its not as much a big thing. Yet I have learned a whole bunch from discussing modelling with Joepublic and a whole bunch of other folks on this thread. Part of it does include gens. Many interesting points have been raised about textures, UVs, morphing, rigs, marketing etc...

The other thread about 'concern' is damned interesting and also learned from that too, and i'd dare say others learned from it too.

Everything does have its own time and space, and these three threads occupy that. Granted, some of us might have a strong opinion about others, but hopefully that will sort itself out. Its no surprise to me that these subjects get a little heated because there's hesitancy on both sides to really talk about it. One thing, I am definitely not calling you a prude. If there's someone prude it should be me, in real life then. Sex is no big deal for me, but my work does kindof revolve around it. I'm not prude when it comes to talking about it... as you might have noticed hehehe.

It is indeed not a huge deal that DAZ doesn't have genitals, but once someone points it out, no matter in what tone, I think everyone might get a little nervous because at the same time its not a big deal, but still the whole question of abuse lingers between the words. Nobody wants that.

I'm afraid now it is getting a little over the top, even for me. So lets conclude:

• I am making this figure, and yes it will have gens. This thread was atarted by William-The-Bloody and is fitted my project nicely, so i kindly hijacked it from him (thank you W)
• gens do sometimes cause unrest and I've provided a thread for that
• and I also wanted to know how much in demand such a figure is. I know renderotica's POV, now I  was curious about Renderosity.
• I am not calling anyone prude and what DAZ does with their models is their problem. It might be a little frustrating for some of us, and yes we have expressed them, perhaps in the wrong gallery, and a little too late. Over, done.
• Lets move on.

is that ok? 

PS: can I ask a Mod to remove the links from this thread?

Quote - How to deviate from the pattern, just make the damn fogure with built in genitals, It;s your friggin' choice and decision, just like other people get to make their own decision about whether to make a figure with or without or a strap on. 

You don't need the approval of the community or anyone else, and certainly don't need to innundate a 'mixed company' kind of forum with threads about sex and genitals.

You want genitals, great, make them.

I'd like to not have to stop frequenting this forum if I didnlt want to be innundated with sex and genitals talk 24/7. Unlike yours, my life and work doesn't revolve around them, and it's a kind of a thing myself and MANY other people refer to keep a bit more private, because it is a very intimate and personal thing. Not someting I alway want to have on display. It has noting to do with being a prude, I'm anyting bit, I even made genitals and other things  for one of erotic poser marketplaces myself...BUT, I'm not in here starting a number of threads about it or up in the arms because some poser figures dont have them.

Everything has it's own time and a place. Sex and genitals are not acceptable to everyone everywhere. It's sad that some people here can't respect other people's boundaries and social norms, when in a mixed company public place - which is what this forum is.

Sex is not the only thing people are 'funny' about, there are many tings people prefer to discuss with close friends or with a degree of privacy, and not have it forced on them.

Usually I'm one of those people who think it's odd that DAZ and whomever feels the need to NOT have genitals, but I can understand and respect their decision, and even though if I was making a figure it would have built in genitals, it's not such a huge deal. 

With so much talk about genitals, you've already branded your figure as a niche fogure for porn sites only and you haven't even started making it.  You're going to lose the support of those of us who aren't so interested in pushing people to find sex and public nudity more aceptable in wider circles - which is as you may find out, majority of people. Perhaps you've spent so much time in sex industry that you lost pespective of mainstream social norms.

Also, I'm getting little tired of everyone who doesn't walk without their clothes off 24/7 being called a pruce. I bet even you put your clothes on when you go to a grocery store.

Quote - Start marketing it when it's much closer to being done, Poserdom has the attentin span of a gold fish... Look at the reactions about Dawn, or any other figure. It gets out , two days later people are complayining that it doesn't have clothing and morph support of a figure that has been out nearly 10 years.

I'm not entirely marketing, I'm fishing for people's opinions, both technical and moral. I've learned a lot already.

Quote - Thats in part of why I mentioned that I doubt you have skills to make it happen. There is Much more to making a figure then just modeling. You haven;t even stated, and you already have a controversy on your hands.

I'll take my chances

Quote - Product don't hit mainstream by getting embattled in controversies. All this time and energy over the past week, you could have been getting technical feedback, instead, due to people;s reactions, things are getting derailed left and right. If you want to successd, you need to learn how to keep your project from getting derailed into irrelevant things. On one hand you say genitals are not that relevant, three minutes, you are talking about them like it's the most important thing on a figure. You're sending a LOT of mixed messages out to people.

well I think its not that bad, most people here are not causing a fuss here. Like I said, I've learnt a bunch from this thread already! And the other too. the time I've invested in this was definitely worth it. But the discussion about gens is also wearing me out. Its really not such a big deal, but certain things had to be gotten out of the way... because it was kindof a lingering deal. And its my responsibility to know about the issues involved, technically and morally.

Quote - Attracting attention with a specialized product in a specialized marketplace, like rotica is very different from attracting Poserdom mainstream. Surrounding yourself with friends who are goign to call mainstream prudes and other negativities is certainly not a winning formula.

That's their choice. I have always been quite outspoken about DAZ and Poser and zBrush and certain figures being a pile of **** (like V4)and it hasn't hurt me, at least not that I can see. I think that most people will think for themselves and look at the quality and results, rather than anyone's ranting. 

We'll see. My primary concern is comics, as was the motivation behind lali's bits. That is sold so well was an unexpected bonus.

Quote - There are several ways to pose a figure to do a full split, and it seems my first attempt was wrong.

With proper thigh posing, the modified Dawn actually can do a full split better than the original without any further weightmap editing required.

wow dude nice work! and all with animatable origins? So the clothing really follows it?

OT perhaps, but my person opinion is that subjects and subject matter can be sexy without it always having to be in your face.  A woman showing off her shoulder with a loosened strap and a "come hither" glance can convey sexy quite well.

Apart from the erotica aspect of it, I'm very indifferent about whether or not a 3d model includes genitals.  Not against, just indifferent.  In my mind I already am suspending that it doesn't otherwise have internal organs and other things that would make it human, nor it is real to start with.

I am more concerned (and perhaps this is more on topic with your original post) that things are technically correct in the character file and the object is at least fairly human shaped.  Whether it borders on a stylized or realistic look is irrelevent to me because if I want a different look, I am inclined to craft that look.  I mean, that's what I think Poser is all about, past the "posing" part.  It's not about what I want to "fix" concerning a figure's appearance but more about my opinons of attractiveness that I want to project onto it.

Beyond that, even if the figure is far less than human looking, there's still hope because it's all clay to me.  Probably the best example I can think of is Blackhearted's Anastasia.  No offense to the original figure but Alyson is an example of a figure that in a base state is far removed from human looking by just about anyone's standards.

Quote - Maybe we are expecting way to much. I read in various CG magazines , that even in major proffessional CG animated Movie productions, different modells with different rigs are used for one Character. The reason is, that one Modell cannot do it all.

Yup Yup Yup!!!!!!!!

Quote - Nevertheless it's fun, to bite our teeth into those issues, trying hard to find solutions.

Quote - We'll see. My primary concern is comics, as was the motivation behind lali's bits. That is sold so well was an unexpected bonus.

What kind of numbers do you consider good or great sales?

ok.. sort of off topic.. (but at least not about genitals!)

Is it possible to distribute an alteration to a figure that would change its joint centers, either just moving them or adding a dependancy to certain joint rotations, without requiring the re-distribution of anything proprietary?

Ie say I liked Joe publics fix to the thigh joint center and wanted to distribute it as a third party 'fix'

*disclaimer: I have no intention of jacking Joes work and calling it my own.. just an example

Quote - ok.. sort of off topic.. (but at least not about genitals!)

Is it possible to distribute an alteration to a figure that would change its joint centers, either just moving them or adding a dependancy to certain joint rotations, without requiring the re-distribution of anything proprietary?

Ie say I liked Joe publics fix to the thigh joint center and wanted to distribute it as a third party 'fix'

 

*disclaimer: I have no intention of jacking Joes work and calling it my own.. just an example

Hmm, that may be a question for HiveWire.
In poser, it may be possible, since cr2 is separate from geometry, but I donlt know every detail of cr2 internals about what would be redistributable and what wouldn't.

I'm niot sure about DS. I thought at first no, because geometry is embedded, but now I'm having brainfarts and have to double check if I am correct on that.

Quote -
What kind of numbers do you consider good or great sales?

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to discuss those sales, but I can live of it, and buy some decent equipment.

Quote - OT perhaps, but my person opinion is that subjects and subject matter can be sexy without it always having to be in your face.  A woman showing off her shoulder with a loosened strap and a "come hither" glance can convey sexy quite well.

totally, and recently I've begun to explore this more and more. Done properly, and the effect can be even more exciting than without clothes on.

Quote - I am more concerned (and perhaps this is more on topic with your original post) that things are technically correct in the character file and the object is at least fairly human shaped.  Whether it borders on a stylized or realistic look is irrelevent to me because if I want a different look, I am inclined to craft that look. 

same here. the model can have all the addons and props and stuff added or integrated, but if she, on the whole, doesn't look nice of believable or convincing... the whole effect falls flat on its face.

a lot of stuff in a poser cr2 is proprietary also I think...  I'm just wondering if you can package that sort of change as like a pose file that just tells poser to move these joint centers to these new co-ordinates

Quote - > Quote - ok.. sort of off topic.. (but at least not about genitals!)

Is it possible to distribute an alteration to a figure that would change its joint centers, either just moving them or adding a dependancy to certain joint rotations, without requiring the re-distribution of anything proprietary?

Ie say I liked Joe publics fix to the thigh joint center and wanted to distribute it as a third party 'fix'

 

*disclaimer: I have no intention of jacking Joes work and calling it my own.. just an example

Hmm, that may be a question for HiveWire.
In poser, it may be possible, since cr2 is separate from geometry, but I donlt know every detail of cr2 internals about what would be redistributable and what wouldn't.

I'm niot sure about DS. I thought at first no, because geometry is embedded, but now I'm having brainfarts and have to double check if I am correct on that.

Quote -  a lot of stuff in a poser cr2 is proprietary also I think...  I'm just wondering if you can package that sort of change as like a pose file that just tells poser to move these joint centers to these new co-ordinates

that's how I hope to get it to work for V4... without getting DAZ on my back

Provide Project E slightly different from V4 and then make a pose file with a python script that reads the installed V4 CR2 anc copies the joint centers? That way you need V4 from DAZ, you use DAZ-based content, and thus not essentially stealing from DAZ.

Well?

I'm fairly certain (99%) a pose file can change the center and endpoints.

Attached Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogVjot24X20

Quote - like this ?

No I kind of get how it is set up.. just wasn't sure how to distribute or share that sort of change to the figure

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What kind of numbers do you consider good or great sales?

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to discuss those sales, but I can live of it, and buy some decent equipment.

Excellent! And I can't say I'm surprised.

Ewww, icky female genitals? Personally, I personally find that an odd view but it’s certainly not unknown.. As for your courtesy in not discussing ‘d***s’, really, thanks but offering not to mention something as perfectly normal as a penis in return for people not mentioning your personal bete noir is unneeded, but suit yourself. I find some of the products in my grocer’s meat counter icky but I don’t see the need to stop discussing chops and roasts if only someone else won’t mention tripe and brains. Even if a sizeable element, or a majority of a particular culture agrees with your view doesn’t make the other view the equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded theater or standing up in church and shouting, ‘God is a SOB because he didn’t save my Nana when I asked him to!’ Nor, IMO, is a matter of fact adult discussion likely to warp the mind of some hypothetical 13 yr, old, who’s probably seen more vaginas that I did by the time I was 40. Last I heard, vagina was still in the middle school health books.

BTW, if you’re concerned about the kiddies here, maybe you might want to say penis and not d**k. It kind of belies any argument based on morality, esthetics or paternal interest and makes it seem like you’re OK with whatever as long as your own button doesn’t get pushed. As for why all the discomfiting discussion of genitals, why do people insist on discussing weight mapping or anything else? It’s because they want something better than what’s out there. This is no different. You may disagree with their desire, or attribute it to any motivation you like, it’s no less legitimate a subject for discussion because you have no interest or find it disturbing. Unless the moderators say it should be taken to the back alley, I don’t see the concern. There are far nastier back and forths here than people trying to have a reasonable discussion about something that should be a non issue. I’ve seen people asking how to decapitate Vickie and nary a feather seems ruffled. Ask for an anatomical feature that more than half of humanity possesses and Katy bar the door. Somewhere, an ape is vehemently denying any relationship to the human species. It’s like when Zsa Zsa went to the gynecologist and the doctor asked her if she’d ever had a check up there. ‘No, dahling,’ she replied, ‘a Pole and a couple of Lithuanians but never a Czech.’

Erogenesis, I agree that the terminology can fit the audience. Indeed, using the neutral terms is still going to put some people off and the benefit may only be marginal. As I said though, I don’t think it would lose you any customers either and it may gain a few but whatever makes you happy is what you should do.

“As I just posted in the rant above this the tirades against prudism and puritainism are just as much strawman arguments as anyone suggesting desire for a complete figure are result of some manner of perversion.”

A fine sentiment, and probably better than “The crowd who keeps harping …” which kinda just throws Vodka on the flames I think. We all need to try be a bit less out there, I try albeit with limited success – but as I said earlier, it is not a subject that people are too rational about for whatever reasons.. People are going to get their backs up if they’re called prudes OR perverts. Being put in a gang or crowd or cabal or whatever just increases the odds they’ll actually form one – fights, hell, that’s the way wars get started. I must say though that part of your annoyance, pique, whatever seems to keep going back to what someone said in some other thread, and be as much about someone dissing another figure as anything else. Far be it from me to tell you to let it go, but it seems like an unhappy grudge to me. I’ve been here long enough to learn that someone I find to be a complete idiot and an ass in one thread can be perceived entirely differently in another, or on another topic but you have to give it a chance. This entirely baffling figure and program fetishism is really destructive IMO. It leads to the kind of apocalyptic thinking that encourages excess. If Dawn fails, it’s the end of Poser – WTF – a vote against Dawn is a vote for DAZ – seriously? Poser and DAZ disappear tomorrow and cats everywhere rejoice at the added attention. I’ve seen this movie before, you’re either with us or against us, better dead than red. It always ends badly, always. Unfortunately, unlike on Star Trek, there is no evil entity thriving on discord that we can starve by making nice, we do it to ourselves. As the old boy said making his way out of the porno film, “Excuse me, this is where I came.”

Impressive! The character at upper right (face, hair) is quite impressive even without gens . V4 morphs? Texture?

Quote - I'm making a 3D figure, Project E. Whether it is marketable or not, I don't care, but it would be cool. Foremost, I want it for my own work... and i want it to fit all of my V4 content. It saves me time.

But I'll probably be able to sell it anyway, if the quality is good enough. If all the people that bought Lali's Bits will buy my figure, then I've got nothing to worry about. Quite simple.

Here's some info on my figure, called 'project E' (WARNING, LOTS OF EXPLICIT NUDITY!)

General:

http://erogenesis.blogspot.com/p/project-e.html

checklist (growing):

http://erogenesis.blogspot.com/2013/08/time-to-cut-crap.html

status:

http://erogenesis.blogspot.com/2013/08/a-new-3d-figure.html

Thanks for the kind words.

Anyone feel free to redistribute the fix. Just because I personally have not much need for Dawn, doesn't mean I begrudge others having fun with her.

Sorry, while I know that the position of joint centers can be changed with a pose file (I have done so often in the past), I don't know if animateable joint settings can be changed that easily. But it's really not hard doint it manually as one just has to spin two dials in this case.

As for genitals in general, they don't make or brake a figure for me. Mesh topology does. If Dawn had the mesh topology I expected her to have after learning who her designer is, I simply would export her hip, add a few hundred polygons, sculpt a vagina, add the transmapped genitals my other figures use as a new bodypart, and be done with it.

So, me not finding Dawn that useful has nothing to do with her having genitals or not.

But...From a technical point of view there is absolutely no reason for not having enough polygons in a figure's hip right from the start. Poser doesn't care if a figure has 40.000 polygons or 40.500 and if you don't use them because you don't need genitals for your work, you won't even notice they are there.

As I noted earlier, all 3rd and 4th generation DAZ males as well as children have all those "naughty" polygons sitting in their hips, doing exactly nothing.

So the only logical reason for Dawn's mesh topology being as it is, is to try to prevent the figure from being associated with 3D porn.

A pretty futile attempt, I may say, as for the moral watchdogs out there even a sliver of nipple or a few square inches of butt showing will be enough to see the innocennce of the young ones gravely endangered.

And as I said, give me 15 minutes in Wings3D and I put enough polygons in Dawn's crotch that you can sculpt a talking vagina from it and tie her labia minora into a knot if you feel inclined to do so.

As for what can or should be discussed in the forums: It's up for the Mods to decide. I think they are much more concerned with personal attacks than  technical discussions about virtual genitals.

With real porn never more than two clicks away in the internet, I doubt that a thread like this could do any serious harm to anyone.

:-)

IncKenzie I'm a little sleepy now so I might not have grasped all of what you said

the thing about icky gens was a sort of joke to counter the thing about glorifying them. But anyway, I feel I've said more than enough on this gens subject, I confess its also slightly tiring now. Its good to have read peoples views. Best also to continue any discussion of it on the other thread, not so? Yeah, like you say it should (ideally) be a non-issue, just as much as V4 torture seems to be... although i'm sure people secretly have their opinions about torture images if asked. but anyway, gens is definitely still a concern to some, that should be ok I suppose. But its better to give it a place, than to let it pop up in other threads and get them closed. 

Yeah the naming thing, I might not be consistent, and I'll probably keep on being inconsistent. I presume I'm talking to adults but that might be a mistake. Morality, manners, and all that is so variable that I am bound to overstep a few boundaries unintentionally. I personally don't find words like d**k an issue because kids nowadays will swear anyway. Much rather teach them to control it than to forbid it alltogether. But that is a discussion in itself and like that we can go on forever and ever. 

I've read some interesting stuff and I have a lot to think about, also about what we talked about, my presentation in relationship to my new figure. Hmmm!!!

Quote - And as I said, give me 15 minutes in Wings3D and I put enough polygons in Dawn's crotch that you can sculpt a talking vagina from it and tie her labia minora into a knot if you feel inclined to do so.

LOL

omg I almost wet myself laughing

btw the rest of what you said: word!

Quote - Excellent! And I can't say I'm surprised.

I was!!!!

Quote - Impressive! The character at upper right (face, hair) is quite impressive even without gens . V4 morphs? Texture?

thanks! which one? PM me the link (don't post it here) and I'll tell you what it is.

Maybe I'm being too kinky, but, and maybe without the required additional figures, a childbirth morph?  (To those that think this is too far out, how in hell do you think you got here?)  Unfortunately, the only thing we have that can come even close to a newborn is the old P4 infant,  but that's just close, keep it at a distance and it might succeed.  I can think of a couple scenes I'd like to do, but an artist capable of morphing a figure, I ain't.

Doric

Quote - Maybe I'm being too kinky, but, and maybe without the required additional figures, a childbirth morph?  (To those that think this is too far out, how in hell do you think you got here?)  Unfortunately, the only thing we have that can come even close to a newborn is the old P4 infant,  but that's just close, keep it at a distance and it might succeed.  I can think of a couple scenes I'd like to do, but an artist capable of morphing a figure, I ain't.

Doric

yeaaahh doric now you're going too far... hihi. No just kidding. yeah, I could easily do that. Although I'd have to add the childbirth expression morphs too, to be fair on the poor figure.

As for babies, maybe a V4 with a michelin man FBM and a head scale to 10 with almond eyes. I kno that daipers for V4 are for sale somewhere, don't remember where though

It's always kinda amused me, most of the female figures have a pregnant morph, but after nine months, the ladies have to go into seclusion for six months because that's about the youngest I can get any of the baby figures.  Haven't tried the morph tool on the P4 baby yet, might be possible even for me.  I has to give that a try, someday.

Doric.

I have to say that since I don't do Poser Porn (nothing against it-just not appealing) and am not rendering nekkid-it should not bother me that certain characters are neutered. But oddly-it does as I am adding clothing to see the blank area-bugs me. I solved it by saving a default Character wearing a bikini!

I know-ODD! :-)

BTW: I assumed Daz went neuter to prevent Vicki and Mike from procreating and making free characters!

Quote - But oddly-it does as I am adding clothing to see the blank area-bugs me. I solved it by saving a default Character wearing a bikini!

I know-ODD! :-)

 

we all have our oddities... in dealing with worse oddities hehehe

Quote - BTW: I assumed Daz went neuter to prevent Vicki and Mike from procreating and making free characters!

LOL

Quote - BTW: I assumed Daz went neuter to prevent Vicki and Mike from procreating and making free characters!

Genesis has with or with out.M5,V5nV6 have genitalia think it's in the Pro Pack.
Think V5 n V6's is the same.

I just have basic M5,V5 there with out.So I can't provide confirmation.

Imagine having detachable genitals? How simple life would be??

No hormone trouble, no weak spots, no urges to screw things up... going to the loo might be an issue though.

All ya need is Vector Maps n Geo-Graphting in Poser ;)
Will it would solve most of my problems.

I thought poser could do geo-grafting since P2012... or maybe I'm remembering a discussion of wishlists.... 

Quote - I thought poser could do geo-grafting since P2012... or maybe I'm remembering a discussion of wishlists.... 

most probably a wishlist... otherwise I'll bang my head against the wall

vector maps and geografting in Poser, now that would be interesting! Apperantly in DS its not that great, from what I've heard...

Quote - Maybe I'm being too kinky, but, and maybe without the required additional figures, a childbirth morph?  (To those that think this is too far out, how in hell do you think you got here?)  

C-section     Pfhrtbptttbtbtbt :P

Quote - > Quote - I thought poser could do geo-grafting since P2012... or maybe I'm remembering a discussion of wishlists.... 

most probably a wishlist... otherwise I'll bang my head against the wall

vector maps and geografting in Poser, now that would be interesting! Apperantly in DS its not that great, from what I've heard...

Its something we talked about at poser place.  I'm thinking that I remember Cage or Phantom3d discussing how it can be done in poser.. it was way over my head so small wonder I dont recall much about the discussion

Quote - > Quote - Maybe I'm being too kinky, but, and maybe without the required additional figures, a childbirth morph?  (To those that think this is too far out, how in hell do you think you got here?)  

C-section     Pfhrtbptttbtbtbt :P

Hmm.  MY wife was in labor over 36 hours, had to have some chemical help, finally delivered about six in the morning.  That evening she was walking around normally, which did not set too well with a few others that were new mothers.  Our first and only.  But the doctor didn't do C section, although he did threaten it.  Daddy was sleeping in the waiting room, when they took her into delivery, they were supposed to come after me, just didn't for some odd reason.  Mom had my youngest sister by C secton, she was mostly down for a week or more.  Us kids didn't mind, Grandma came and stayed for the week.  We liked Grandma. 

Doric.

My mom was in labor for 24 hours woth me, then doctors finally fiogured out that her bone opening is not large enough for me to get through - some kind of hip deformity, so they did an emergency C-section. I have the same harrow hip thing going. It's someting hereditary.

Quote -  .....

BTW: I assumed Daz went neuter to prevent Vicki and Mike from procreating and making free characters!

LOL! I think you might've cracked it! :lol:

Quote - My mom was in labor for 24 hours woth me, then doctors finally fiogured out that her bone opening is not large enough for me to get through - some kind of hip deformity, so they did an emergency C-section. I have the same harrow hip thing going. It's someting hereditary.

Ah.  One of my sisters has the same, to an extreme though.  Fortunately, other reproductive parts never developed and she couldn't conceive. 

I said 36 hours, but that doesn't include the two or three days she was in false labor before that.  Grocery shopping and in labor?  Yup. 

But there is one thing I find irritating, and that is, if someone can see the vagina, back off dude, you're waaaaaay too close.  What we see is called he vulva.  Which probably nobody would recognize if the proper term was used.  Just one of my little irritations.

But then, how many people do you know that can say Didinium nasutum or urocentrum turbo and know what it means?

Doric

one thing I've always found peculiar about childbirth is how those TV shows make it seem like its the most gentle and beautiful thing, with violin music in the background.

I've seen several women in labor and giving birth, my sisters a few, and some african ladies in the local hospital here when I was filming for a charity. The blood, the screaming and the pain that these women were in! And we don't do epidurals here! The first time I almost feinted. And then this bloody purple thing comes out! At the time I couldn't call it beautiful at all. It looked downright traumatic!

But when all is done and cleaned up, its like it never happened... and they just want another! O.o And seeing them grow up is just bizarre. Amazing.

The local African women here are tough as nails though, hardly a flinch.

OK... time to turn down the hormones and temperature in all camps.

Warning #1 of 1: Thread locking under consideration.

This is childishness at it's clearest. Find a way to make this a productive discussion without name-calling, personal attacks, or profanity or it will disappear to Mt. Doom. And I really don't care who is at fault. There is enough blame to pretty much go around the table.  Each of you... clean up your own act and stop making inflamatory posts!

We have discussed genitals far longer than they deserve.

I'm done listening to this crap.

Oh yes... any smart comments about this notice will also result in it disappearing along with any attempts to re-start the thread. Got me?

Well, In the early days of DSON I bought quite a few Daz products-including Genesis Pro-or whatever they called the expensive all inclusive package. The "gens" geograft never worked-just kept crashing. I don't know if it works in Pro2014 as I've not attempted it.

Quote - I thought poser could do geo-grafting since P2012... or maybe I'm remembering a discussion of wishlists.... 

Quote - Well, In the early days of DSON I bought quite a few Daz products-including Genesis Pro-or whatever they called the expensive all inclusive package. The "gens" geograft never worked-just kept crashing. I don't know if it works in Pro2014 as I've not attempted it.

I've got Poser Pro 2014 and when I load V6 with DSON her breasts go all wonky. I have yet to install the SR2, maybe that might help. But generally if I work with it a lot, it just crashes.

I ran DS4.6 and exported as CR2 and that helped. I am using her as an extra in my next comic.

me too, apologies for any inconveniences caused. I hope the inflamed sub-topic hasn't offended anyone too much!

No intention to stir unrest in any way on my part. My conduct over at the 'Dawn is Live' thread might have been a little passionate, sorry for that.

Much of the content in this thread is interesting, and have learned a lot!

thanks for all your input! I am looking forward to continuing my project next month!

It's been a very interesting and very useful thread so far. And I'll definitely be watching out for more on Project E. That girl sounds like she could be just what I need!

Quote - It's been a very interesting and very useful thread so far. And I'll definitely be watching out for more on Project E. That girl sounds like she could be just what I need!

hehe hope it will all work out.

I wish to resume work on her in a month sometime, I first wanna finish off the scenes for the next comic and maybe I can get her to feature in it, no promises though. In any case, if I do it well, she'll be just what I need too ;D

Quote - hehe hope it will all work out.

I wish to resume work on her in a month sometime, I first wanna finish off the scenes for the next comic and maybe I can get her to feature in it, no promises though. In any case, if I do it well, she'll be just what I need too ;D

I think that's probably an advantage. That you're making the figure that you want and need for your projects and should be useful to other people too who'll buy her. But if for some weird reason she doesn't sell or that part doesn't work out then you still have the figure you want to use. That seems better than just making a figure for sale and hoping she sells! ;)

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This thread needs to find a more positive tone. The next thing I delete will be the entire thread.

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I think that's probably an advantage. That you're making the figure that you want and need for your projects and should be useful to other people too who'll buy her. But if for some weird reason she doesn't sell or that part doesn't work out then you still have the figure you want to use. That seems better than just making a figure for sale and hoping she sells! ;)

I'm just a wee tad hesitant to mention dates or make promises because this is the first time I've done it. But I will make it, and I will use it... and 99% it will hit the stores, eventually, I first wanna make sure it works properly. When it comes to Lali's Bits, I was one lucky SOB, because it worked fairly well out of the box and I received nothing else but positive critiques. The few that run into trouble were enough to keep me occupied for months until we found the solution.

I wanna avoid that at all costs and make sure that Project E works solidly, out-of-the-box, and give people hopefully very little reason to complain (like what's happening to Dawn). Because I really really really really really really wanna get on with comics. Luckily I have already made deals with my contacts about customer service to take part of the load off my shoulders.

Yes it is already in motion ;)

In the meanwhile I've been doing some homework, mainly re-reading the Poser manual for example (doh). I keep on forgetting how many amazing tools the software comes with. I think I might have found a solution for the V4 compatibility without getting into trouble with DAZ, but I first need to make a few calls into the direction of the big boys and girls in Poser world. If this works, I'm going to have to keep it secret before others hijack the idea before the release of Project E. Thereafter it doesn't matter.

No need to rush. Just keep contact and give some updates on your projectE. I'm curious to see how it develops. ProjectE is ready , when you say so. You can trust , your Fanblock is cheering and waving Lali-banners ;)

Quote - You can trust , your Fanblock is cheering and waving Lali-banners ;)

Ain't that the truth!  I am pretty excited about Project-E :)