"The Wright brothers still invented the airplane --"
But that was not a plane, or do you think that something that is unable to departure by itself and only lands crashing is a plane?!!!........

Quote - "The Wright brothers still invented the airplane --"
But that was not a plane, or do you think that something that is unable to departure by itself and only lands crashing is a plane?!!!........

 

Compared to what they had before that -- it was an airplane.

IIRC, some group of guys recently attempted to duplicate the historic flight at Kitty Hawk -- in a mock-up of the original Wright Brothers plane.  I don't know if they succeeded or not.  Someone could probably do a google and find out, if interested.

they didn't invent the plane...they had the first recorded flight and even thats dubious lol.

the same as bell didn't invent the telphone, he just got credit for it. and otis still didnt invent the lift.  an effect of the maybe to equalize but it wasn't the reason of it's development yes i know colt..the reat equalizer.......it's wasn't such an equalizer when it came to a gattling gun was it hehe...guns and weapons in general were made for killing. ...not a bad thing if your being attacked or defending something and not all wars were bad.  metalergy wasn't an invention it was a discovery.

so otis stole other peoples ideas created a brake and called it an elevater. marconi invented the radio...not ...logi baird the televison of cathode raytube....not...eddison the light bulb.....not and ad infinitum.......history is written by the victor.......but it isn't always accurate.  ten years before bell did the telephone thing a german guy living in the usa had his house wired and spoke with his wife from different rooms.  some other poor taw had created light round a filiment way before eddison even had the idea. marconi was way behind with his piece of wire and a wax tube and the wright brothers come way down when it comes to inventing the plane........remember an invention doesn't have to have worked. a reproduction of da vinci's plane worked so i can/t see how the wright  brothers were able to go back in history....oops i forgot...they invented the time machine as well hehe

billy

i left a couple of sutle withouta b spelling mistake for people to peruse at their liesure.

btw.....bell had the first recorded flight if some historians are to be believed. the wright brothers were over a week late. he probably stole the idea from someone else like he did the phone

billy

 

...if guns aren't handy, then machetes will do to hack to death around 500,000 people are so.  Locking the populations of entire villages into church buildings and setting the buildings on fire works, too.  Like what happened in Rwanda just a few years ago.

...or Darfur, just yesterday.  I wish people around the world would stop blaming inanimate objects (guns, machetes, roadside bombs, the list goes on and on...) for violence.  Hatred and intolerance are to blame, and until those issues and the people who practice them have been dealt with decisively, the killing will continue to perpetuate itself; no matter whether the instument is a high velocity piece of metal, high temperature pieces of atom, or the proverbial jawbone of an ass.

**It astounds me, how little the human race has progressed in conflict resolution in our thousands of years of 'civilization' (and I use the term *very * loosely!). **

So, let's have some tolerance for the misspellars out there, eh? 

and mr spellers as well lol

billy

 

Ah, yes -- that's all true.  Every bit of history that we've ever been taught or told is 100% fabrication.  In fact: nobody ever invented anything.  Hey -- Shakespeare didn't even write the plays that he's credited with writing.  As everyone knows: somebody else wrote them all -- and Mr. Shakespeare stole them.  Edison didn't invent the light bulb -- it was actually invented in Uganda by a tribal witch doctor.  And Bell had nothing whatsoever to do with the telephone.  The Romans had telephones centuries before Bell was even born ! 

Yes, the Wright brothers were in reality a couple of con men who made up a fancy story.  They didn't invent anything.  That's why airplanes were everywhere within a few short years after the Wright brother's so-called "flight".  Everybody else already knew about airplanes -- they just hadn't gotten around to building them yet.

History is defined by nothing but a series of conspiracies.  Things are never what they seem.  Pretty soon, some genius will write a book letting us all know that Ghengis Khan was actually one of history's great humanitarians.  Much like the thinking recently concerning the Vikings.  No -- we were told -- the Vikings weren't the brutal, bloodthirsty murderers which contemporary accounts of them describe -- rather, the Vikings were in reality nothing but peaceful farmers & settlers.  Nice folks.  Wouldn't hurt a fly.  You'd want a medieval Vikiing for your neighbor.  Yep.  Political correctness has seeped its poison into historical interpretation, too...........

So....today's lesson, folks: everything that you've ever learned in your life is a lie.  Some guy in Sevastopol actually invented the PC.  It wasn't any of those......Americans.

BTW - nothing ever created by Man has been 100% original.  Other people 'invented' the houses that most of us live in.  But that doesn't translate into the builders of the houses getting the credit for the Poser renders that we've done while living in those same houses.

It would be an odd bit of sophistry to to attempt to attribute the Poser renders to the builders of the houses.........rather than to the people who posed & rendered the scenes.  But, stretch a point far enough -- and the resulting extreme distortion might end up convincing a few weak-minded types that Julius Caesar invented the automobile.

There's been a conspiracy in place ever since -- a conspiracy to rob Mr. Caesar of his proper credit.

you said all the above not i. no mention of cons or anything else. just some documented facts. bell flew the first flight 9 days before the wright brothers were accredited with it. and history is defined by the historians of the time....to say they;re always right ...now that would a be a conspiracey.....it's very easy to take something to extremes and make what another said look silly isn't it lol.....it means jack shit of course but it's easy to do. and to say nothing invented was ever original...mmmm nice concept but lacking in truth or fact. and where does who get the credit evaluate into who invented something...they either invented it or they didn't, saying they did doesn't make it so, but of course you're an officianado on inventions, or is that just a conspiracey theory as well. you can beileve the wright brothers invented the plane....and i can believe they didn't........the facts i think lay with the dates of the first recorded flight. ....that a persons 500 year old design when built in the 20th century worked is also a conspiracey theory i guess. it never really happened never really got filmed happening...it's all an illusion. if you think it about political correctness thats okay too. personally i think it's about truth and facts not about who was or wasnt there or who did or didn't enter a compitition or because a leading news paper says something to further its circulation. jmo opinion of course lol

somehow i doubt even i could stretch your last paragraph to fit said scenario. though you did a pretty good attempt.....poorly :P

 

billy

 

Another thought on the Wright Brothers - they weren't credited as "inventing the airplane" - they were credited with "the first successful flight". MANY poeple tried making successful airplanes/flying machines throughout history, but the Wright Brothers supposedly made the first repeatable (apparently the detriment of Bell's flight?) successful flight.

DaVinci's design may have worked, but no one tested it out until... Yeah, the Wright Brothers tested their design before DaVinci... Hence, the credit.

This thread has gone WAY OT - back to the original post, was anyone aware that there's a movement going on to teach phonetic English writing instead of what we are using right now?

Can U C? R U ther?

Yes, people are currently saying that traditional English is too hard to spell correctly (meaning they're too lazy to learn - good luck at a University!), and are trying to get schools to change how they teach to match cell-phone texting...

Yes, I realize things change over time but... I fear for the future...

BTW - anyone who doesn't natively speak any version of English gets automatic leeway (sp?) at Rendo, and everywhere else that's a mainly English written site. That seems to be a universal thing, and rightly so.

I've seen many an apology from someone having difficulty with English, and they don't need to. We're thrilled you made a go at it.

Attached Link: http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/pearse1.html

> Quote - Another thought on the Wright Brothers - they weren't credited as "inventing the airplane" - they were credited with "the first successful flight". MANY poeple tried making successful airplanes/flying machines throughout history, but the Wright Brothers supposedly made the first repeatable (apparently the detriment of Bell's flight?) successful flight. > > quote] they were credited with the first flight of a self propelled plane the modern airplane. if it were just the first flight the chine would have beat them hands down, they were flying kites thousands of years ago, montgolfier was in ballons and flying, so were many others. > > that said so was bell (credited) by the smithsonian no less. when the wrights heard of it they withdrew thier plane from the smithsonian and wouldn't give it back till they changed their minds. of course it was only fitting the smithsonion had the flyer on show and not london so they changed their minds and the flyer along with the credit of the first flight returned. .......and even better yet a guy called pearce was credited with the first powered flight 9 mths before the wrights in new zealand. it wasn't on film, though he was given due credit and it was witnessed by many in march 1902. it took off under it's own power had a proper landing gear and an engine he built himself. for those who are interested or think the wrights the fathers of aviation heres an url. > > still i guess the wrights did invent the first engine driven plane cos some historians do lie don't they ...someones lying lmao. > > billy

Quote - BTW - anyone who doesn't natively speak any version of English gets automatic leeway (sp?) at Rendo, and everywhere else that's a mainly English written site. That seems to be a universal thing, and rightly so.

I've seen many an apology from someone having difficulty with English, and they don't need to. We're thrilled you made a go at it.

as long as i can read it i can heed it. i don't care how anyone spells. if it's inelligable it's inelligable and thers not a lot i can do about it. if it takes a tad more effort to read cos of a missplaced letter of some missing grammar, so what, are a few seconds that valuable re reading a post. and if as you say they're not native english speakers more power to them. i don't think anyone english or non english should apologise for thier spelling, no one owes it to anyone else to be a good or proficient speller do they. good spelling isn't a sign of respect is it.  i'd sooner read something good from a bad speller anyday than something bad from a good speller. jmo

billy

You seem very personally attached to this...

Yeah, Pearce even flew for a kilometer - that is huge news - and often landed in a hedge. Regardless, you don't need footage to know what he did was magnificent.

Again, MANY people throughout history tried to create successful repeatable flight - don't bother mentioning a kite (yes, I'm aware they've been around for centuries) since it can't carry a person. That's not what is being discussed (even thought the actual topic is proper spelling or lack therof in the forums... and has somehow migrated to historical innacuracies concerning modern air flight...).

I guess I should have been more specific - it's not the engine (you guys were arguing about something else - re-read MY post where an engine is not mentioned at all), and it's not the fact that a person went up in the air and came back down (properly, or stopped by bushes). The Wright Brothers (why do we capitalize "Brothers" BTW - I've always wondered that?) made something repeatable by being able to accurrately TURN to steer away from the bushes and back onto the clear strip of land they wanted to safely land on. Apparently Pearce made turns, but I wonder how much he controlled them, or how much control he actually HAD at all?

The WB's (see there, see what I did, the phonetics thing...? okay, it's not phonetics, it's an abbreviation much like the apparently disapproved of American States' names - see argument above) actually built the flaps for steering - having (YES) taken from basic plane designs from others, all the way back to the simply notion of how an object like a kite uses wind for flight.

Phonetic spelling... Anyone care to gripe about THAT? Gotta tell you, it scares me to think of my future medical records having to be translated by a 14yr old the doctors will need to hire to make sense out of things for the patients (namely ME - "What does 'U hav Knser' mean?).
-Lew ;-)

i'd sooner read something good from a bad speller anyday than something bad from a good speller. jmo

Excellent point!

Yes, it's become something of an intellectual fad in recent years to de-bunk the history which most everyone previously accepted.  I suspect that certain historians were in part just getting bored -- and in part wanting to re-interpet historical events based upon current intellectual faddish thinking (read: political correctness).  Oh, well......every age that's come & gone was always been convinced that they were far, far superior to their primitive ancestors.

Da Vinci did many things in his lifetime.  I've yet to see a claim that he ever flew.  I have heard claims that Japanese ninja used the equivalent of hang-gliders in centuries past.  But insofar as I know the "facts" involved are just that: claims.  Much like Bell's "flight".

The flights of Dec. 17, 1903, by the Wrights at Kitty Hawk happened just nine days after Langley's last failure. The event was unreported and mostly unnoticed. What the public knew was that $50,000 of their tax money had been wasted by Langley's fiasco. It would be almost another five years before powered flight would be demonstrated to the skeptical press and public.

http://www.memagazine.org/flight03/trialby/trialby.html

It's only possible to make things look silly when they are silly.

I'd say that being the first successful flyers allows the Wrights to claim to be the inventors of the device involved.  Regardless of who the other also-rans happen to be.  The also-rans didn't succeed first.  The Wrights did.

Quote - the facts i think lay with the dates of the first recorded flight.

True.  One could conceivably claim that the first Brooklyn-bridge jumper enjoyed a successful flight.  I suppose.

And oh yeah......I should add that conspiracy theories are quite popular nowadays.  Everyone seems to be seeking for the hidden truth behind events -- convinced that some gang of evil, hidden masterminds are meeting in underground bunkers & plotting to take over the world.

The really handy aspect about "hidden truths behind events" is that those "hidden truths" can be basically whatever the 'truth-seeker' wants for them to be.  And how can anything be handier than that?

actually its stated in the write up that pearse did do turns and blah blah...i always thought the right brothers did it on sand

and yep xenophonz the wright brothers were that good shortly after their inaugral and repeatable flight (thundering) they one of them crached the flyer breaking his hip and killing bells friend langly...i wonder if it was done on prupose lmao (i think it was langly who died....due to a propeller that had the nasty habit of being made out of kiln dried wood instead of air dried....

sorry xenaphonze but your conspiracey theory concerning conspiracey theories are giving me constipation lol.  and by definition a truth seeker wants the truth. that there is more than one truth i concur with but a gold miner doesn't pan for leadand a rain dance was never done in order to make the sun shine except metophorically speaking of course....you do enjoy taking things out of context don't you...yes of course i meant by flight or flying the first free fall suicide attempt....well spotted that man...rotflmao you win the wrights id indeed invent the airplane and the ballon and the doughnut and the automatic tumble drier. i think they also started up a fart bottling plant which coka cola took over in 1904.

billy

 ps...people being lifted into the air was actually a hobby of the rich chinese a few thousand years ago. though they couldn't steer did did get aloft. i think bell also demonstrated a kite could in fact lift a man

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Quote - ""The Wright brothers still invented the airplane --"

But that was not a plane, or do you think that something that is unable to departure by itself and only lands crashing is a plane?!!!........"

Compared to what they had before that -- it was an airplane."
Many of those things before today are flying, so were planes?
The plane is a sucession of improvements, someone tried to fly as a bird, didn't worked not enough force, later someone put a steam engine, to heavy to fly. The Wright Brothers improved a lot, they put an internal combustion engine but was not enough, only when Santos Dumont put a gas turbine it was achieved the required power/weight ratio for a plane be able to fly by itself.

Going back to the original point of this thread, what riles me most of all is when people spell the shortened version of 'you are' as your and not you're. No biggie and I'm not having a go at anyone if it's happened in this thread - just a personal irritation (the cream doesn't work! lol).

your havin us on lol jk

can you say why it pisses you off marzo. it's something i usd to do a lot, stil do but try and spot it more now. i doubt people get lynched for being honest btw.

billy

Lol! I don't know Billy, it's just a silly little thing that gets to me.

it's allowed...i think we all have some sillys that get to us. that we know them for what they are tends to make us hold our tongues lol....seeing the shower head hung round the taps, i don't know why but it irritates the arse out of me. lol

billy

"Going back to the original point of this thread, what riles me most of all is when people spell the shortened version of 'you are' as your and not you're. No biggie and I'm not having a go at anyone if it's happened in this thread - just a personal irritation (the cream doesn't work! lol)."

I agree (and I also have problems with many other spelling errors)...

My reason?
"Your" = "Belonging to you".
"You're" = "You are".
Two totally different meanings. OK, they sound the same, and in context they can usually be differentiated, but sometimes not (as in "Your stupid friend" as opposed to "You're stupid friend" (although the latter should really be punctuated as "You're stupid, friend".)

It's a lack of attention to detail. Try getting away with that in a picture, and you get pounced on. Why should language be different?

Of course, I have always thought that the Americans can't spell proper, like what we Brits can, but hoo no's hoos rite?

Cheers,
Diolma

The english language is a beautifull thing.  Why is this?

One of the reasons is the fact that a written word derives most of its context and power from the words that surround it. your on its own defines who it belongs to. The conjunction of you are written as your'e defines an action of what you does.

If you write either word in the singular then the correct spelling matter or else all meaning and context is lost.

Now for the beauty of the language. Using a word with anthor word gives the word, or any word in question extra power and us more information. Your here and you're here become the same phrase. Though the  spelling and grammar of  YOU"RE may be wrong the additional word tells the readder what YOUR means, we read it as YOU ARE.

For literate native speakers of english the brain gives the real intention of the misspelled written word when said word is used with others. That we see the difference of said words and kow that in some instances, one should be swapped for another shows we understand the meaning,

In the phrase YOUR STUPID FRIEND, again the beauty of the language comes into play. as a phrase on its own i suppose it would be ambiguous. our language allows that, (as does our brain.) If we know who it's from or what it's in response to we can usually work out it's context.  If it's part of a greater story we could definitely make the phrase work for us.

Heres where language, any other langue gets even more beautiful. If someone sent in a post that wasn't a response to another post (which i doubt they would). The brain would say. "I'm not sure what this means, I think i'll ask".

Wheres the beauty of language in that statement you may wonder. Well the beauty lies in the ability of language to what it ws intended to do. To communicates. Not only does it convey a words meaning or intent. It has the power to diverge and create non itentional communication. It has the powr to ask questions.

99.999999999999999999999999% of the time though something is spellled wrongly, we know and understand it's intent. The odds are that if we didn't understand it, we wouldn't have were it spelled correctly.

When i post here, i'm usually fitting the post inbewteen something else i should be doing. i make mistakes. Things like the two preceding small i's instead of capital I's, I spell words wrong and make typos and mistakes. If i use  spell checker I could only respond to half the posts i do, maybe less.

As for placing an image in a gallery being the same. Is it?  Or are we putting an image on show. Expecting feed back or praise from its appearance. Do we expect praise for our spelling or grammar when we respond or place a post in a thread. Has anyone ever said. "Nice bit of spelling there Mary Jane". Art is not like the written word though at times the written word can be like art. We take from art our own impression of what it is and what it means to us. we take from the written word, except when it pertains to be art (poetry for example), specifics that are intended for everyone else who sees the writing to take. jmo

billy

P.S. Note the wrong spelling of beautiful in places. Did it detract from what was said?

 

 

The phrase "your stupid friend" can have a number of different meanings -- depending upon emphasis, inflection, and tone.  Spelling and punctuation can help to clarify which meaning is intended:

Your stupid friend. (You have a friend who is stupid)
You're stupid.......friend. (You might be stupid, but you are still my friend.  And I still like you.)
You're stupid, friend. (You aren't my friend, but you are stupid)
You're stupid, friend. (It's not me who is the stupid one.  It's you.)
You're STUPID, friend. (The primary aspect of your personal character which stands out is that you are stupid.)

Well -- I see that we've yet to agree upon who it was that invented the airplane.  The people who flew one, or the people who imagined / thought about flying one?  Or the people who improved upon the design of the original two who actually did fly one?

These are deep matters.  The fate of Western Civilization hinges upon our answer to this burning question.  In this forum.

Quote - The phrase "your stupid friend" can have a number of different meanings -- depending upon emphasis, inflection, and tone.  Spelling and punctuation can help to clarify which meaning is intended:

Your stupid friend. (You have a friend who is stupid)
You're stupid.......friend. (You might be stupid, but you are still my friend.  And I still like you.)
You're stupid, friend. (You aren't my friend, but you are stupid)
You're stupid, friend. (It's not me who is the stupid one.  It's you.)
You're STUPID, friend. (The primary aspect of your personal character which stands out is that you are stupid.)

Well -- I see that we've yet to agree upon who it was that invented the airplane.  The people who flew one, or the people who imagined / thought about flying one?  Or the people who improved upon the design of the original two who actually did fly one?

These are deep matters.  The fate of Western Civilization hinges upon our answer to this burning question.  In this forum.

it may make it more clear but the clarity gained by extrapolating from what you have would in most case make it just as clear and would not take any great effort on the readers part, the effort taken probably couldn't be measured it's that small.

as to the wb's is life so mundane for you that we need to agree?  okay if it makes you feel better or stronger or more erudite and since you brought the subject up before I.....i concur with you. civilisation fate is safe at last. you hero you

billy

you're stupid friend...rotflmao not being capable of the right syntax i'll let you do the deciphering :)

 

What's to decipher?  The meaning is made clear by the context.  And with incrediably little effort.......or so I've been told.

Nah, I'll let you wear the mantle of the hero.  Odd that you'd ask others if things are mundane -- and then take the effort to actively participate in this thread.  I dunno -- it's possible that someone is taking a break after a long day of getting two new school building construction projects ready to submit to the state government for approval.  I say that it's possible.  But the interpretation will have to be derived from the context of the statement.

Oh, I love this.......:lol:

BTW -- It's time to withdraw (once again) from this game of checkers for a few hours.  I have dishes to wash.

You're _____, friend.  (Context, context......)

"Well -- I see that we've yet to agree upon who it was that invented the airplane.  The people who flew one, or the people who imagined / thought about flying one?  Or the people who improved upon the design of the original two who actually did fly one?"

The story gets more complicated, if you watch the old movies of those crazy inventions that ended in failure and crashed, you will find that many of them are flying today.
Many were not bad inventions, some of them excellent, the problem was the technology and materials available in those times that were too heavy. Today with our technology, plastics, aluminium and other metals or fibers, what once was unable to fly, is flying!
Inventions sometimes needs centuries to become reality, Roman knew the power of steam, even did some engines, but it was needed to wait much more than a milenium for the invention of steel for making steam machines a reality, without steel, no steam motor!!
The invention of the plane is nothing more than a political question, Americans says that American did, English that British, French that French and Brasilians that were Brasilians. I, that am nothing of all this, I say that nobody invented the plane!

i refuse the mantle, it's yours by right of whatever.

as for the taking part. i felt that if ineedy your life was so mundane, i should make an effort for it to continue..so nothing odd there, just me trying to hel[p out a friend lmao

it seems i love this also though i can't do the silly face :(

my _________, friend. (more deciphering)

i went shopping

ps i just know you really do giggle when you read these replies.

billy

i don't think the english invented the modrn plane. maybe the jet engine but the plane...never. if i were asked who was the father of modern aviation  (last 100 yrs) i think after reading a few things about it i'd gp with pearse the new zealander. if it ws who inveted the modern airplane....thats a toughy..i think it just a natural progression from the glider.  or i would if xenophon wasn't bullying me into saying the wright brothers. so i have to say the wright brothers i guess. he'll be back from pot duty shortly so i can't take any chances.

billy

"i don't think the english invented the modrn plane. maybe the jet engine"
I think that Germans invented the jet engine, or at least the first that used it.

rotflmao....here we go again

 

billy

The Brits may have invented English, but we Aussies have made it a language!

"How was work today?"
"Strewth mate, I was flat out like a lizard drinking!"

it certainly has character lol.

billy

"There have been no conclusive studies linking prolonged cell phone use to cancer, however anecdotal evidence would seem to suggest that there is a correlation. "

Actually, your wrong; there have been studies, and though I'm not one for conspiracy theories, every so often you DO hear quick news flash stories about all this,  like how so and so many increased many people have gotten brain tumors from prolonged cell phone usage and how a lot more cops than anyone else have been diagnosed with prostate cancer due to keeping their radar guns propped between their legs and so on and so forth.

They seem to hush this stuff up rather quickly for some reason, probably because no one likes to hear about how our wonderful technology we all seem to need so much and enjoy so immensly might actually be in any way, shape or form bad for us too.

Common sense logic would dictate all this magnetic field we're subjected to day in and day out must have some affect on us, but who cares, it's necessary and fun!

Just try to get folks to NOT use for example, cell phones! Hahahaha!! Imagine the rampaging stampede of protesters!! Now imagine crackberries being taken away!!

Just two hefty examples.

Utter MAYHEM and CHAOS there would be if we were to somehow have all this taken away or even limited just to protect our well being!! Can't have that!

Ockaie, bakc too teh badd speling ishue...off tu mek brekfust in my mikrowave..

 

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Its da gub-mint! Alwys bin da gub-mint - fr kinspyrsies AND horbul edkayshun sistums!
(or so I've heard from people who hole themselves up in shacks in the mountains with enough weaponry to make an armored tank division nervous)

My solutions - private schools and buy your own island (good luck with electricity and groceries, though...)!

Call me harsh and jaded,,,,,,,

But I saw this thread and instantly thought, "here we go with the grammar police again". :rolleyes:

I say that because I have always thought, "who cares" when I see threads such as this one.

Sorry but I just have better things to do in life, like posing and rendering in Poser 5, or trimming my toenails, than ta go running around the forums worried about who spelled what correctly or incorrectly.

personally I just use "yer". that way it works all three ways (your, you're and distracting the antediluvians). :lol:

I actually think the underlying gripe is the lack of trying, not the lack of ability.

If there's a lack of ability, we understand completely and work harder at understanding the intended message - it's those that do not even TRY to get it right, assuming we'll all just work harder to mutter through bad spelling (not necesarily grammar, it seems) to vaguely figure out what they're trying to tell us.

Little things like "yer" never bug me (as I was,oddly, griping about phonetic written language  - but then again, I was mostly griping about it being taught in schools INSTEAD OF the way language is written right now).
I call them "cutesy" spelling and I always thought they were just that - not a hindrance to understanding, but just cute.

Still scared about the medical records though - "What does, 'UR mptint' mean...?"

when we speak the language we don't speak it perfectly, why should the writing be any different. if this were a job application it would prob be the best i could do. when speaking we say your,which is only given context by the words around it. we dont say you comma re.  we say its or its..both the same with diff meanings. according to some here, we should say it is....

billy

The gripe of the thread is knowing the rules and ignoring them.
Yes, in speech MANY words and conjunctions are identical, which is YOUR point.

When email first started becoming big, educational experts theorized that it would help literacy and writing skills. Instead we're changing to more phonetic spellings - yes this is a more natural evolution given the process being used, but that is the gripe of this thread.

We are not proofreading ourselves very well, or at all (I'm very guilty of this myself), and then defending why we don't (instead of trying to get better at our written communication skills). Whether or not we're typing in a rush or have time to compose with more clarity, we are hoping to make sure our messages are properly spelled so that nothing detracts from said message.

When someone types a message that is filled to the brim with errors (be they grammatical or spelling) we tend to start to focus not on the message, but just the errors, and the message is lost or misconstreud.

Side note: I wonder if this is the case more and more in any non-English speaking forums. Does anyone know of any German/French/Russian/insert ANY language forum where the spelling and grammer are getting worse? Just because WE are all typing in English (and pointing out errors) doesn't mean this isn't happenning elsewhere.

Quote - i'm a short sighted english non dyslexic post modern post literate lazy bastard with club fingers, no typing skills using a german keyboard and drinking copious amounts of vodka whilst listening to curtis mayfield and looking at some white lines of powder on my desk and people wonder why my spelling or grammar sucks....still i'm happy

billy

It's a old post but a good one lol still laughing about it! :D I think we should all write in pig latin anyone with me on that one?  :D Try being raised by a Hungarian father, a Dutch mother both yelling at you in their home tongue but your brain only processes english and missing out on grade four the primary grade where one learns proper sentence structure, you think you're or is it your confused lol.

i'mk with you on that one leeloo

i live in manila my partner and her kids speak excellent english. but i suck at tagalog. often they talk using both languages it's so frustrating lmao. i'm constantly asking what did ya say. i i can say i love you, good morning and afternoon and good evening. as well as thank you and no...i actually know more dutch tha tagalog. i  think one of my faves was hoken in the koken though i may have got the spelling wrong lol

billy

I see that this thread is still alive.  Well.....as I've got nothing better to do at the moment, I suppose that I should do my little bit to help it along again.  It's our duty to humanity.

Quote - i refuse the mantle, it's yours by right of whatever.

 

No, no, no.........please take it.  You get the mantle: gilded in gold glit and everything.  Just remember that it's "dry clean only".  Throw it in the washer & it'll fall apart.

 

Quote - as for the taking part. i felt that if ineedy your life was so mundane, i should make an effort for it to continue..so nothing odd there, just me trying to hel[p out a friend lmao it seems i love this also though i can't do the silly face :(

my _________, friend. (more deciphering)

i went shopping

ps i just know you really do giggle when you read these replies.

billy

 

As a matter of fact, I get a lot of laughs out of this stuff.  It can brighten up an otherwise mundane workday.

So we now know that the airplane was actually invented by the English, the Germans, and the New Zealanders.

How does that old joke go.........?

A great society would consist of:

An English policeman
A German engineer
A French cook

A horrible society would consist of:

An English cook
A German policeman
A French engineer

Or so I've heard.........in several different variations.

Here's another:

*The captain has to try to convince men to jump overboard in order to have enough room for all the women and children. So, he tailors his announcements to each nationality...

For the English, he announces, "It's the sporting thing to do," and all the Englishmen jump overboard.
For the Germans, he announces, "I order it!" and all the Germans jump overboard.
For the Italians, he announces, "Don't do it! It's illegal!" and they all jump overboard.
For the Japanese, he announces, "Everybody's doing it," and they jump overboard.
And for the Americans, he announces, "Don't worry, you're insured!" and, you've guessed it, they all jump overboard.*

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Let's see.....spelling, spelling......well, Billy -- you've got a certain style.  I'll give you that.  Actually, when I first came across your posts in the forums I had to read two or three of them before I came to the conclusion that you are razor-minded (as in you obviously shave your brain).

:lol:

i don't shave it . kike ny hair parts of it keep falling out. i have to read my own posts two or three times and worse at reading than i am at spelling hehe. truth be told i love the written word though my spelling does kinda suggest otherwise.

the good list should have included a swedish au pair and an irish drinking partner.

and i really do enjoy reading what you have to say. no come back on what kind of brain you have yet it's a tad harder than mine to decipher though you have an inate sense of humore which is always good, lmao.

billy

To me, Billy: forum debates are a mere diversion.  Frankly, electronic discussions with people that you really don't know -- while the discussions can be interesting -- they are basically meaningless in the personal realm.

You're (your?) pretty sharp.  You just need a good spell checker (like I do).  But that would serve to rob you of your (you're?) forum style.

Some of the smartest people that I've ever known couldn't spell.......but I've also heard that the use of language is a major factor in generating good first impressions.  If someone can say something well: then it doesn't matter so much that what they are saying is -- in actuality -- utter nonsense.  It sounds good: so that leads others to conclude that the person speaking knows what they are talking about.  Likewise, someone who doesn't communicate well might be the greatest genius of our era -- but their manner of speech can prevent others from realizing that fact.

I can sense your sense of humor, too.  And I don't sense genuine hostility coming from you.  It's more like friendly ribbing -- or at least that's the way that I read it.......and that's the way that it's intended in all of my return lobs.

i think calling them a diversion is as good as any other name.  i usually divert between whatever i'm doing on the pc at a given time. it breaks the time up lol.

i also agree that our first words often are a major part of a first impression depending on who's making the first impression about who. i must say, i've never had to write anything that needed to make a good impression but i have and am able to write much bettter than i appear to.  i think it's the rush factor and lack of typing skill that cocks up what i say. i'm much to lazy to spell check, i have been known to edit a typo  though.

thanks for seeing the lack of mailce. and for diverting me, it's way way i took your posts as well. as for electronics...i can bullshit with the best of them but not about electronics . now religion,  i'll take any side in a religious debate. ( diversion)..it's so forgiving when you cock up lol.

billy

"we've yet to agree upon who it was that invented the airplane"

Oh sod it. I've been away in London for the last week or so but, in the spirit of the forum's topic, I'd just like to point out that the "airplane" has yet to be invented, since what the Wright brothers (or that Pearce fella) are credited with inventing is properly called an "aeroplane".

:biggrin:

http://www.visualproducts.com/storeProductDetail02.asp?productID=653&Cat=3&Cat2=42

Would this qualify?
-Lew ;-)